sacreblueits442 Posted 7 November 2020 Share Posted 7 November 2020 2 hours ago, Foxxed said: I’m not sure about the recent dip of form, but I think the lack of academy overhaul is because it’s performing well. With Barnes, Chilwell, Thomas, Hamza good Premier League/England players, and with KDH and Knight looking promising, I would feel uneasy giving academy coaches their P45s. I’d like to see the academy improve even further, since I think English football lags behind France, Germany and Spain, but for all its faults the academy staff have developed one of the best academies in the Premier League - sacking those involved after achieving so much would make me uneasy and be horrible for academy culture. I’m all for improving it but I don’t feel a need for an overhaul, especially when the sale of one of their players has paid for half the new academy complex alone. ...I agree with most of what you have said, and on the face of it the breakthrough of Barnes, Chilwell, Hamza and Thomas is a good return!!! The law of average says that this success would be likely and quality always finds a way to get out of the group irrespective of things that hold them back. My observation is that we are so technically deficient in our skillset it is embarrassing and in all the games I have seen watching the U23s this season they were clearly second best irrespective of the club they were playing against. These coaches are limited and as such can only take them so far, and we need to keep up with other clubs, who see the development of their academy a way to keep themselves competitive in order to reduce an ongoing financial burden, having to buy in the quality they need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksz Posted 7 November 2020 Share Posted 7 November 2020 5 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: Pascanu has really set the world alight since being released, hasn't he? In an ideal world we'd love more academy lads to make it (though at the moment we seem to be fairing reasonably well) but *maybe* we let go of lads we just don't rate? Who was the last one that came back to bite us on our arse? Wasn’t released. They paid about a million for him. Spanish Segunda level isn’t to be sniffed at. He showed what he was capable of against England at the euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 7 November 2020 Share Posted 7 November 2020 25 minutes ago, Aleksz said: Wasn’t released. They paid about a million for him. Spanish Segunda level isn’t to be sniffed at. He showed what he was capable of against England at the euros Middling about in the Spanish Segunda isn't quite our level though is it, that sort of proves my point? Re: the Euros, one swallow doesn't make a summer. I'll be astounded if he ever reaches the standards we have as a club, that isn't a slight on him - I'm sure he'll have a decent career - more a slight on this weird take that we need to keep and blood every single academy product (regardless of ability) ad infinitum just because. If they don't make it, it's likely they simply aren't good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 7 November 2020 Share Posted 7 November 2020 Will Alves posts some absurd clips of himself from U16's games every Saturday. If his skill can be harnessed, he looks like he has a bright future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy85 Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 Dennis Gyamfi still without a club, failed trial in Belgium Everyone was saying Leicester lost a future star but this chap can’t get a club ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesta2014 Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 Don’t think the bubbles are helping youth teams! Rogers said fitzhugh and leshabela been with the firsts so then can’t go and play for the u23s. Under normal circumstances they train with firsts and still get game time at the weekend. I wonder where muskwe and Ndukwu are training as they haven’t featured for the 23s yet have they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 1 hour ago, Lesta2014 said: Don’t think the bubbles are helping youth teams! Rogers said fitzhugh and leshabela been with the firsts so then can’t go and play for the u23s. Under normal circumstances they train with firsts and still get game time at the weekend. I wonder where muskwe and Ndukwu are training as they haven’t featured for the 23s yet have they? I'm a bit baffled by this as there have been players play for the U23's and train with the first team, likewise players play for the U18's and then U23's and back to the U18's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 1 hour ago, happy85 said: Dennis Gyamfi still without a club, failed trial in Belgium Everyone was saying Leicester lost a future star but this chap can’t get a club ?? These young players seem to think they're all Jadon Sancho. Move abroad and come back a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, happy85 said: Dennis Gyamfi still without a club, failed trial in Belgium Everyone was saying Leicester lost a future star but this chap can’t get a club ?? There's two Gyamfis. I think I watched the older one (Dennis?) in the Hong Kong 7s. He looked decent, I thought. Edit: According to this Ghanaian website we offered him a contract extension but he declined. https://www.kickgh.com/more/ghanaians-abroad/9926-confirmed-dennis-gyamfi-leaving-leicester-city-despite-new-contract-offer I'm not sure how long he's been with us, since I generally think we put more emphasis on the players we've coached from a young age, but the articles talks of compensation if he goes to an English club, so it seems he's been with us for a fair while. Edited 8 November 2020 by Foxxed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clever Fox Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 15 hours ago, st albans fox said: Yes, I’m sure brendan will be delighted to have nige working at the club ...... There's no reason why it should become a problem once the boundaries are set. What it would mean is that young players capable of making the grade would come through better prepared mentally, and in no doubt of what it takes to step up. A win all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 8 November 2020 Share Posted 8 November 2020 1 minute ago, Clever Fox said: There's no reason why it should become a problem once the boundaries are set. What it would mean is that young players capable of making the grade would come through better prepared mentally, and in no doubt of what it takes to step up. A win all round. Yes I’m sure that will work.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UpTheLeagueFox Posted 9 November 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 9 November 2020 A bit further down the development pecking order but... LCFC Under 11s beat Derby 6-3 (*) on Sunday and my nephew, a goalkeeper, scored one of them! According to my brother-in-law, his clearance downfield bounced over the wrongly-positioned Derby keeper and into the net. (*) At that level, they're not hugely fussed about results but focus more on player development. They're also given videos of games to watch (via a clever online portal) and asked to highlight positive/negative things from both sides to help with their learning of the game. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 9 November 2020 Share Posted 9 November 2020 14 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: A bit further down the development pecking order but... LCFC Under 11s beat Derby 6-3 (*) on Sunday and my nephew, a goalkeeper, scored one of them! According to my brother-in-law, his clearance downfield bounced over the wrongly-positioned Derby keeper and into the net. (*) At that level, they're not hugely fussed about results but focus more on player development. They're also given videos of games to watch (via a clever online portal) and asked to highlight positive/negative things from both sides to help with their learning of the game. Only one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out Foxed Posted 9 November 2020 Share Posted 9 November 2020 14 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: (*) At that level, they're not hugely fussed about results but focus more on player development. They're also given videos of games to watch (via a clever online portal) and asked to highlight positive/negative things from both sides to help with their learning of the game. that's interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 9 November 2020 Share Posted 9 November 2020 12 minutes ago, Out Foxed said: that's interesting ...Manchester City does a similar thing with the young girls team where they go over their performances via video!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Foxy-Lady Posted 10 November 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 10 November 2020 On 07/11/2020 at 20:48, Foxxed said: I’m not sure about the recent dip of form, but I think the lack of academy overhaul is because it’s performing well. With Barnes, Chilwell, Thomas, Hamza good Premier League/England players, and with KDH and Knight looking promising, I would feel uneasy giving academy coaches their P45s. I think a little perspective is required when discussing the success of certain Academy players and the coaches involvement. The agents of both Barnes & Chilwell both pressed very hard for loan moves rather than playing for the U23s under Beaglehole as they felt it would stifle their development. As a result, i think both players only spent their U19 season playing U23s football before being loaned out to Barnsley/MK Dons/WBA and Huddersfield respectively As a previous poster has highlighted, would be interesting to see how many games they actually played in the U23 set-up as opposed to those who languish and fail in that system? I think their development is largely the result of NOT playing in the U23s rather than the input of the U23s coaches As for Josh Knight, they told his agent mid-season in his 1st pro year that he wouldn't be offered a new deal without even playing him as they didnt rate him. Fast forward to an injury crisis 3 months later, Knight is picked for his 1st game at CB, Ranieri and Shakespeare are there watching and Knight has a blinder. 48 hours later, he's called in to training with the 1st team, he's awarded a new contract, and he plays every game thereafter for the U23s....and the rest is history! But publicly, the U23s coaches claim credit for his development....where the reality is they nearly prematurely ended the career of a very promising player without ever even giving him an opportunity to play and prove himself! And as for Connor Tee (U18s academy player of the year!), most folk in the know predicted he would have limited opportunities under Beaglehole's U23 style of physical lower league football due to his height and sure enough, he rarely featured and was released at the end of that season. How did a player feted less than 12 months previously for his vision and technical ability somehow fail to feature or develop in our U23s system? I think the truth behind our Academy U23 system at present is that the coaches are sometimes able to turn Gold into Gold (which most decent coaches could do!) and sometimes actually turn Gold into lead in examples like Ndukwu and Tee (which is very worrying!)....but they very rarely manage to turn Lead into Gold which is the is the sign of a truly great coach! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said: As a previous poster has highlighted, would be interesting to see how many games they actually played in the U23 set-up as opposed to those who languish and fail in that system? According to Transfermarkt these are the amount of U23 games each of them has played Harvey Barnes - 32 appearances for U23s He was on loan to MK Dons for the 2nd half of the 16/17 season where he made 21 appearances, on loan to West Brom for the 1st half of the 17/18 season where he made 28 appearances Ben Chilwell - 29 appearances for U23s He was on loan at Huddersfield from 19th November 2015 to 3rd January 2016, where he made 8 appearances Hamza Choudhury - 55 appearances for U23s 1st loan to Burton Albion for 2nd half of season in 15/16 where he made 13 appearances, then back again for the 1st half of 16/17 season where he made 15 appearances Edited 10 November 2020 by moore_94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 On 09/11/2020 at 01:48, UpTheLeagueFox said: A bit further down the development pecking order but... LCFC Under 11s beat Derby 6-3 (*) on Sunday and my nephew, a goalkeeper, scored one of them! According to my brother-in-law, his clearance downfield bounced over the wrongly-positioned Derby keeper and into the net. (*) At that level, they're not hugely fussed about results but focus more on player development. They're also given videos of games to watch (via a clever online portal) and asked to highlight positive/negative things from both sides to help with their learning of the game. surely at that age they shouldn't be kicking long ? my youngest's club wont allow the goalie to kick long until U12 - has to be played out. if the opposition press well then they concede a few but it teaches them to take the ball under pressure and for their team mates to find space to take a pass. i suppose our U11's are preparing for beaglehole's style …... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 42 minutes ago, st albans fox said: surely at that age they shouldn't be kicking long ? my youngest's club wont allow the goalie to kick long until U12 - has to be played out. if the opposition press well then they concede a few but it teaches them to take the ball under pressure and for their team mates to find space to take a pass. i suppose our U11's are preparing for beaglehole's style …... They're encouraged to play out from the back, which he does, but at times when under pressure you have to clear it long. Which he did. And it bounced more than anyone thought. It's very much an exception, he certainly wasn't trying to score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 EFL Trophy game against Grimsby tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davieG Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 Looks like there might be a live stream, this link was on Facebook but you need to register https://hqstreamstv24.com/EFL-Trophy/?fbclid=IwAR07EL_RlpNGtPeU1inM3V1gdsuCnGmfaVDy5GPKpwd7EbaVxZaEWPle0nU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyfin Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 Good goal Calum Wright . Assist by Tavares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 2-1 up now after being 1 down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 10 November 2020 Share Posted 10 November 2020 Tavares assisted the 1st and then scores a free kick for the 2nd Hopefully whatever issues were stopping him from playing for us are now sorted and he can get back to showing why he is so highly rated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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