Dwight McNeil

[shen]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I honestly don't know what the mental block is with our recruitment team and signing forward players. 

 

But given Iheanacho and Perez are the "best" we've managed since we found Riyad (Ulloa at a push) and you consider Ghezzal was our replacement to the maestro and Slimani was our great idea to "improve" on Okazaki? 

 

I don't know why or how we're so bad at signing forwards when we seem to be so good at signing defensive players (Ndidi, Cags, Evans, JJ, Ricardo, how ****ing good are we!?) - it's utterly absurd but the pattern is pretty undeniable really. 

 

Literally the only attacker we've signed since we won the Premier League that actually belongs a top half club... is our right back

Bit harsh on Maddison, that...

 

49 minutes ago, Ted Maul said:

Happy with this.

 

I'd rather we went for someone who was guaranteed to come into the starting 11 and hit the ground running, but those players generally cost upwards of £50m.

 

He's very talented and should be a good investment long-term.

 

Once Barnes finds a bit of composure in front of goal (let's be honest- for all the chances he misses, he makes a hell of a lot of stuff happen) then that's the 2 wide spots sorted for years.

Tell me, which player in our first XI costs or has cost 'upwards of £50m'? If you want an ENGLISH player, sure, you'll have to pay two or three times the amount that a comparatively talented non-Englishman would cost.

[EastAnglianFox]

Own up, who's already changed his wiki page? 

[kingfox]

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

not very skillful

FFS Ric 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

I'd be really suprised even if they let him go for 32m. Not wishing to create friction but the 'hes been at the training ground rumour' has been said a few times this week. If he had I'm sure someone like dorsett or percy would have got hold of it. Time will tell i guess.

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, EastAnglianFox said:

Own up, who's already changed his wiki page? 

Wasn't me... 

 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Abrasive fox said:

I'd be really suprised even if they let him go for 32m. Not wishing to create friction but the 'hes been at the training ground rumour' has been said a few times this week. If he had I'm sure someone like dorsett or percy would have got hold of it. Time will tell i guess.

I cant really argue with your point on the price. however, they don't know for sure that tarkowski is going and perhaps they need to raise the money

[Strokes]

30 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

It is fair to say demanding 50m+ for Tarkowski and then accepting 32m for McNeil seems illogical given McNeil's contract.

Maybe he has a clause in their allowing a move to a club competing Europe, for a specific figure. 

[waylander]

You can’t beat a mc. Macalister Machlan McFlurry MacDonalds . 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[Strokes]

2 shit games and he will get dubbed muckneil.

[Koke]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

The most excited I can get is that we play him wide right and it transforms his game, I've scoured some clips of where he has popped up on the right and he looks way better. A great assist vs us last season and 2 of his goals are from him cutting in off the right. 

 

5 goals in 67 appearances for Burnley. Gray has 13 goals in 167 appearances for us. We are literally signing Demarai Gray 2.0 for 32 damn million. 

 

Here's Sean Dyche praising McNeil for playing 38 games last season. No mention of his goals or assists or chances created. He played 38 games, wow, well ****ing done. 

 

 

[Ted Maul]

12 minutes ago, shen said:

Bit harsh on Maddison, that...

 

Tell me, which player in our first XI costs or has cost 'upwards of £50m'? If you want an ENGLISH player, sure, you'll have to pay two or three times the amount that a comparatively talented non-Englishman would cost.

How many attackers have we signed who were ready-made top 6 standard?

[chapero82]

I reckon he must be our last resort and Townsend is our last last resort 

[Dahnsouff]

30 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

At 30 mil we cant afford to buy an average player though. Personally dont think he's average, just doesnt suit a possession based team imo, but if you do think he's average im not sure how you can support this transfer.

So you cannot see the difference between a 20 year old who has one PL season under their belt, and those much older without one?

 

[Carl the Llama]

https://www.90min.com/posts/dwight-mcneil-the-burnley-winger-linked-with-man-city

For those who don't understand what our scouts might see in a 20 y/o with just 2 goals and 6 assists last season:

 

 

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Dwight McNeil: The Burnley Winger Should Be at the Top of Your Club's Wishlist

By Adam Aladay | Jun 30 2020

When considering the ability of a wide player, football fans will usually look towards a player's goal contribution statistics.

Take Jadon Sancho for example, one of the most exciting and talented forwards in world football right now, with his 20 goals and 20 assists this season seeing him linked with a £100m+ move elsewhere.

But it shouldn't always be about the statistics.

 

A winger can still be instrumental to a side while not having the best numbers in terms of goals and assists. This is the case with Burnley's Dwight McNeil. At first glance, just the two goals and six assists this season in the league isn't remarkable, not by any stretch of the imagination.

But dig a little deeper and you will find that McNeil is a crucial member of Sean Dyche's squad. The 20-year-old has started every Premier League game for Burnley in 2019/20, and has played the full 90 minutes 26 times in his side's opening 32 games. In fact, he has missed just 75 minutes of action.

To continue to rely on McNeil to deliver week after week highlights the trust Dyche has in him. And it's clear to see why.

 

McNeil is a manager's dream. Not only does he have the technical quality to unlock a defence and change a game in a split second, he also has the required work ethic and desire to support his defenders when his side don't have the ball. Equally, he's also more than capable of operating on the left, or the right or even up front - but no matter where he plays, the tenacity and desire always remains the same.

Burnley's win over Crystal Palace on Monday evening saw McNeil play in a second striker role, operating just behind the main attacker. Without needing much time to adjust to the new system, McNeil settled straight in and looked a threat all game long. His clever movement allowed him to pick up pockets of space before gliding effortlessly past defenders and creating openings for his side.

More generally, Burnley sit second bottom among Premier League sides in terms of possession, having managed an average of just 41.59% up to this point. When considering this, it is remarkable to see McNeil's productivity both in attack and defence.

 

The winger sits second in terms of forwards with the most tackles made during the 2019/20 campaign, having made 43. In attack, meanwhile, it is McNeil's ability to drive at a defence and whip in menacing crosses that creates so many problems for opponents.

Indeed, the Burnley man sits sixth in terms of crosses made this term, which places him above the likes of Adama Traore and Willian among many others. When considering the fact that Burnley have seen so little of the ball, it once again highlights McNeil's understanding of the game and his ability to get into good crossing positions.

At a time when clubs will be feeling the impact of the coronavirus financially, McNeil would be a very shrewd acquisition for any of the Premier League's big clubs. And while the Clarets will be keen to hold onto him, Dyche has previously admitted that the club will soon be forced to sell him as a result of the interest in him.

 

Burnley are expected to demand around £30m for his services, with Manchester United, Crystal Palace, Newcastle and, most recently, Manchester City all showing an interest. The Clarets have undoubtedly been hit hard financially as a result of the pandemic, therefore it would be hard to envisage a scenario where they would turn down an offer in the region of £30m, should it come in.

For a player of McNeil's calibre, this is a very, very reasonable valuation - especially for a player that;s just 20 and has plenty of room to develop. Not only would a club be getting someone who is young and already proven in the Premier League, they would also be getting a driven and determined footballer who is constantly looking to improve.

In a more possession-based team, the former Man Utd academy member would most definitely see a rise in terms of goal contributions, with his fierce crosses and ability to read the game ensuring he could have more of an influence in the attacking third throughout a match. But equally, as he has shown at Burnley, he can still shine in a team that don't dominate the ball.

 

At a time when clubs will be looking to do business in the transfer market but are wary about costs due to the current climate, McNeil represents excellent value for money.

Is he the finished article? No, of course not. But standing at six feet tall, with a good physique, phenomenal talent and a willingness to learn and improve, there is no doubting that clubs should be battling for McNeil's signature.

 

 

Edited 10 September 2020 by Carl the Llama

[Dahnsouff]

35 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Are we signing McNeil for £400k or £1m? 

No, we are not (If we are signing him at all) but then again he is not older like those two and he has experience and is already highly regarded, just not by you or @Ric Flair

[matty98]

But he's not good enough for us at the age of 20 

[Strokes]

3 minutes ago, matty98 said:

But he's not good enough for us at the age of 20 

If he delivers less than expected, is that a good thing?

[moore_94]

Just now, Strokes said:

If he delivers less than expected, is that a good thing?

I assume it could mean that the goal scoring chances he creates aren’t being put in the back of the net

[LCFCCHRIS]

As long as the fee doesn't go mad think he looks very promising and can take on a defender.

[Swarles Barkley]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

If he delivers less than expected, is that a good thing?

He cant control the strikers finishing 

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, Strokes said:

If he delivers less than expected, is that a good thing?

It means the players he's assisting are failing to convert deliveries that are 'expected' to be put away.

[matty98]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

If he delivers less than expected, is that a good thing?

The stat suggests Burnley players aren't finishing chances they should be, not that McNeil's delivering less.

[moore_94]

7 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

https://www.90min.com/posts/dwight-mcneil-the-burnley-winger-linked-with-man-city

For those who don't understand what our scouts might see in a 20 y/o with just 2 goals and 6 assists last season:

 

 

 

“The winger sits second in terms of forwards with the most tackles made during the 2019/20 campaign, having made 43.”

 

I think this is a big reason as to why we are looking to sign him, as with when we signed Perez (who I believe was also really high for tackles in the final third) Rodgers like an attacking player who will press the defenders

Edited 10 September 2020 by moore_94

[EastAnglianFox]

1 minute ago, Swarles Barkley said:

He cant control the strikers finishing 

 

don't want him then

[Fuch Me Moore]

No ones got a crystal ball but this guy could be absolutely class for us.  Clearly got the work ethic after playing nearly all season last year. If he played for a different team I think people’s opinion would be different.