Spurs 2-0 A Post Match Thread

[Hack]

17 hours ago, Sly said:

I’m shocked and happy. I thought we’d get punished today.

 

Every time you expect us to lose, we win.

 

Every time you expect us to win comfortably, we make it hard work or lose. 
 

This is a funny season and we just need to find some consistency (like about 6 other teams).

Not just for us. This season is not dissimilar to 15-16. Lots of teams are getting results that wouldn't think they would get. Not saying we win it again but who knows. 

[Sly]

5 minutes ago, Hack said:

Not just for us. This season is not dissimilar to 15-16. Lots of teams are getting results that wouldn't think they would get. Not saying we win it again but who knows. 

It’ll be interesting for sure, as the fixtures pile up. It seems anyone is capable of an off day and with injuries etc, at this point, I’d say it could be won by 6 or 7 teams. 

[Japanfox]

I am always optimistic with our lot.  Even though we lost against Everton, any team in this division can beat anyone on their day..  I hope those sooners in the pre match thread are reading.....

 

Support your team no matter what....

 

LTID

[Hack]

17 hours ago, Blanchflower78 said:

Outstanding today. Wilf immense, weve got our Leicester back. Much better attacking performance. Defensively excellent. Congratulations to Brendan as well, out performed Jose today.

So we win the title with Kante at dm and wilf is in the same class. Key for the way we play is that dominant dm winning the ball back and shifting it quickly up the pitch to our talented and fast forward line. We were much more reliant in counter attacking in 15-16. But the key is Ndidi. He plays like today and we are right in this title race. 

[Hack]

17 hours ago, Always Next Year said:

Would have and should have been 3 if not for the Ref and VAR.

Looked at it a number of times and still can't see a clear offside. 

[Deeg67]

Technically offside by a hair.  You'd almost never see it given in real time, but that's what VAR is supposed to do.

 

I just can't believe a team with creative talents the caliber of Tottenham's can play such dour, grey, dreary football.  Moaninho really is a miracle worker.  Win or lose he's a bane to the sport.

Edited 21 December 2020 by Deeg67

[Hack]

17 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Fantastic performance all round. Showed some grit too. Wilf made a big difference in the middle, not that Mendy is bad but his physicality is immense. 

 

If we can sort our shit home form out, preferably starting against United, we would really be a force to be reckoned with.

 

 

We are a force to be reckoned with. 

[whoareyaaa]

Would anyone take Dele Ali of there hands? seems to be out sorts there and is still pretty young

[Hack]

17 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

If we get European football again this season and finish above them again, I think it will be official. If you take into account our new training academy, our coach and our squad, we would be better than them in every category other than our stadium. And in current times, having a massive stadium isn't all that useful!

 

To take a team from the Championship to being a top 6 perennial Premier League team in a "fair" way, IE not the Chelsea / Man City way would truly be one of the best achievements by any owner in league history. Owners can't win awards, but if they could, Vichai and now Top would have cleaned up already. Cannot believe how lucky we are to have had them buy the club. 

The thing that all LCFC fans need to deal with regarding being considered a top 6 team is not the ongoing positive results and performances by the team but Leicester is not a big market like London Liverpool or Manchester.  We could win the league 2 years in a row and they still will focus on the big city teams. 

[shen]

1 minute ago, Hack said:

The thing that all LCFC fans need to deal with regarding being considered a top 6 team is not the ongoing positive results and performances by the team but Leicester is not a big market like London Liverpool or Manchester.  We could win the league 2 years in a row and they still will focus on the big city teams. 

Exactly. Plenty of examples around Europe of clubs from secondary cities winning, but not being regarded as big clubs in their countries.

[StriderHiryu]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I don't think that's entirely accurate, to be honest. Nor is it right to say it was entirely 5atb.

 

When the ball was outside of Justin's sphere of influence (particularly when it was on our left side but equally when it was just high up the pitch) he lined up as a centre half in a flat 3 sitting in alongside Fofana. 

 

When the ball was in the midfield, he was given licence to press and engage the ball, a lot like Fofana is when he plays on that right side of the three normally. 

 

When the ball was on our right, he sat in like a conventional full back with Albrighton ahead to double on Son, knowing Reguilon would barely be allowed past half way a la Christian Fuchs circa 2015.

 

I don't fundamentally disagree with the rest of what you put, it's fair analysis, but I don't think it's simple to describe it as completely 3, 4 or 5 at the back because the roles of Justin and Albrighton in particular were both quite fluid and Justin especially deserves an enormous amount of credit for carrying that out. Rodgers talked about the players being tactically superb yesterday and a lot of that credit is on Justin. Comfortably his most mature performance for us to date. 

 

In a 433, when a team attacks they transition into a 343 as shown in the diagram below. The difference for us in the way we played is that the players who occupied the various positions varied. Ndidi didn't drop back, whereas one of Justin or Castagne would stay back instead so the other could attack.

 

^ This diagram is taken from an exception talk Marcelo Bielsa did for a Brazillian Football show which you can see here. 

 

 

 

^ Taken from the first half. Justin is supporting the attack, but notice how Castagne is not in shot. He is not parallel to Justin on the other flank because he has dropped back a little as it's his role to act as the third CB if we turn the ball over.

 

 

 

^Taken from the first half after we deal with a Spurs corner and immediately go into our defensive shape. This is where we see the "lop-sided" nature of the defence. Fofana and Evans are our dedicated CB's, Castagne is further up the pitch than Justin, but Justin is further forwards than the CB pairing. 

 

 

^Taken from the second half. Amartey is on for Castagne and notice how Fofana, Evans and Amartey are all standing parallel to each other, holding the defensive line together. This is as clear a 3 at the back as you will ever get, it's literally textbook stuff.

 

With Tactics there is always a case of arguing about semantics. E.g. is it a 4141 or 433? Does it even really matter!? Individual player instructions are also key and without doubt it was our players attention and execution of individual instructions that won us the game as we kept both Son and Kane quiet which is something that very few teams will do. But if you were to look at a coaching textbook such as the materials you need to study for a UEFA B licence, our formations used in this game are pretty clear. 

 

 

 

Edited 21 December 2020 by StriderHiryu

[Aus Fox]

8 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Would anyone take Dele Ali of there hands? seems to be out sorts there and is still pretty young

Not a chance

[Hack]

17 hours ago, Hansifüx said:

hmm, maybe I am wrong, but I don't remember one good offensive move that we should have scored but missed, we were not good in front of the their gaol ... they had a couple. 

Did you miss Youris miss set up by Vardy? That would of made it 3 0. Or how about the dubious offside on madders goal?

[Aus Fox]

1 minute ago, Hack said:

Did you miss Youris miss set up by Vardy? That would of made it 3 0. Or how about the dubious offside on madders goal?

Vardy also had another shot where he tried to curl it into the corner, but Loris made a comfortable save.

[Koke]

If we had Son we would be legit title contenders. 

[filbertway]

11 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Don't know the bloke, only interviewed him a couple of times, but people who deal with Kane a fair bit say he's an absolute gent, down to earth, family man, keen to do stuff in community etc.

He seems a bit like a robot to me. Doesn't seem to have any discernible personality and happy to be told what to do for a good public image. He'll be an ideal England manager in the future

 

[Jon the Hat]

7 minutes ago, filbertway said:

He seems a bit like a robot to me. Doesn't seem to have any discernible personality and happy to be told what to do for a good public image. He'll be an ideal England manager in the future

 

He doesn't like talking to the press, which makes him pretty normal imo.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

If I had any criticism of yesterday and perhaps Wed. Is that we have players and movement to create chances. But are not clinical enough, almost tardy, with our final ball. If we were sharper with that final pass we would score a shed load more. As teams get tired we get chances in the last 20-30. But we appear casual at times and those chances go begging. 

[daddylonglegs]

Absolutely fantastic performance yesterday. One of those where it never looked in doubt that we would win, as long as we got the first goal! (Thanks Serge). 

 

Apologies if this is a comment that has been brought up previously but how *bad* is that referee? Bet he absolutely loved it when Maddison's goal was given offside by a pube. 

[NaijaFox]

@Guestand @Raw Dykes , usually not one to indulge in "I told you so" but suffice it to point out that our spirited debate on how best to reintroduce Castagne into the side - that is, whether better to sub him in (your positions) or to start him and subbed him out (my position) - has now been resolved in non-hypothetical reality. I may be confused by colloquial terms, but some things seem more obvious.  

 

PS: @HighPeakFox thanks again.     

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, NaijaFox said:

@Guestand @Raw Dykes , usually not one to indulge in "I told you so" but suffice it to point out that our spirited debate on how best to reintroduce Castagne into the side - that is, whether better to sub him in (your positions) or to start him and subbed him out (my position) - has now been resolved in non-hypothetical reality. I may be confused by colloquial terms, but some things seem more obvious.  

 

PS: @HighPeakFox thanks again.     

That's ok Naija - what did I do?

[NaijaFox]

8 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

That's ok Naija - what did I do?

You restored sanity! 

[Vlad the Fox]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Would anyone take Dele Ali of there hands? seems to be out sorts there and is still pretty young

I would, not sure where he’d fit in or if he’d get straight into the first team but he was a fantastic player a few seasons back and seems to have lost his way a touch at spurs. He fits the profile of players we sometimes go for that are somewhat fallen stars, a bit like Ünder, with the potential to rediscover their best form. 

[elvisfmcfly]

1 hour ago, Hack said:

So we win the title with Kante at dm and wilf is in the same class. Key for the way we play is that dominant dm winning the ball back and shifting it quickly up the pitch to our talented and fast forward line. We were much more reliant in counter attacking in 15-16. But the key is Ndidi. He plays like today and we are right in this title race. 

We are not! 

[Carl the Llama]

Not a bad day to have the resident spurs fan on shift