Deeg67 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 10 minutes ago, vanity said: Yeah, but Arsenal are pretty fuching cocky thinking they have the prospects to warrant poaching our players. They are badly run, they have severely diluted their competitive brand, and they have no European football. And they didn't win the FA Cup last season. And they haven't finished in a CL top-4 slot since we won the league. How many years without CL.football would it take for Arsenal to lose its recruiting advantage over teams.like us? 10? Probably less. It's happening right now but they don't to admit it. They are still a good team, but elite players aren't coming now. TV contract money is levelling the recruiting playing field. What if Arsenal stay around 8th for 5 years, without European football? What happens? Because that shit could happen here. We could be watching the formation of "the top-5." Or Top-4 even, because if Kane goes, Spurs are a Son injury away from being a clear cut below. Their fans are that way by long-standing tradition. Doesn't mean ours should emulate them.
gerblod Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 16 minutes ago, vanity said: Yeah, but Arsenal are pretty fuching cocky thinking they have the prospects to warrant poaching our players. They are badly run, they have severely diluted their competitive brand, and they have no European football. And they didn't win the FA Cup last season. And they haven't finished in a CL top-4 slot since we won the league. How many years without CL.football would it take for Arsenal to lose its recruiting advantage over teams.like us? 10? Probably less. It's happening right now but they don't to admit it. They are still a good team, but elite players aren't coming now. TV contract money is levelling the recruiting playing field. What if Arsenal stay around 8th for 5 years, without European football? What happens? Because that shit could happen here. We could be watching the formation of "the top-5." Or Top-4 even, because if Kane goes, Spurs are a Son injury away from being a clear cut below. It's sensible to separate the constituent parts of any club - our own as much as Arsenal or Spurs. Maddison is currently no solution to anyone's woes. At his best he's technically on a par with Youri, but he's nursing an injury that will leave him sub-par until it gets resolved or he finds a level he can operate at - that's not Arsenal or City. But, if, whoever decides at Arsenal who to recruit, believes he's an answer to their current mediocrity, then perhaps BR and his coaching team should let him go - at a valuation City consider appropriate. Arsenal as an entity at executive level are suffering from exactly the same syndrome as United did after Busby and after Ferguson. Wenger was allowed to dominate at a decision level far above what was good for the club. It became 'Wengerised'. It happened at Liverpool too - once the 'Boot Room' lineage faded out. I suspect that's why the moneyed clubs appear to wish to change managers more often than Rachel changes her dresses on Countdown. Of course there are always Guardiolas to counter the Ancelottis, yet the swap around, short-term manager is the current fashion. It took United a relegation and around two decades to become a force, under Fergie, once more. It could take Arsenal as long, but we won't be weeping for their plight, will we? It's taken City 137 (?) years to achieve the two major domestic titles. I hope the majority of City fans avoid becoming as entitled as our current peers fans. When missing CL qualification makes winning the FA Cup somehow less wonderful then it's time for a reality check. Arsenal and Spurs fans are long due the same self-examination. 2
foxile5 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 2 hours ago, Deeg67 said: I actually don't think Arsenal is all that far from being a top 4 contender, though I don't think Maddison is the guy that would get them there. @OntarioFox
hejammy Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 (edited) Arsenal are literally the anti-leicester. They are the complete opposite to us in terms of the way our the club is run, the man management, the way they do their transfer business, their deluded fans etc. I actually used to have a soft spot for them but now I just feel sorry for them. If Madders was to go it would say more about Madders than it would Arsenal making a "big" signing. Edited 22 July 2021 by hejammy
st albans fox Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 I think the demise of arsenal to some mid table mediocrity or relegation candidates is way over done by some of you with no European football to distract them, I expect they could well finish above us this season ……. Their form over the second half of last season was top four standard ……
chapero82 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 6 hours ago, gurru991 said: You don't just change a football club! You pick a team & it's yours for life ! That’s my point
Matt Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 People not understanding why Arsenal, football wise they’re right to question it. However, London, he can live with his bestie Ben (or next door), fits in with his party boy image, and about his (inconsistent) level. He has the potential, we all know what he is capable of but I struggle to see him fulfilling it not to add I think injury will plight his career (if his attitude doesn’t). 2
coolhandfox Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 3 hours ago, Deeg67 said: This place is getting kinda cocky and entitled considering we haven't made top 4 ourselves since we won the league. I actually don't think Arsenal is all that far from being a top 4 contender, though I don't think Maddison is the guy that would get them there. As we have show it a very difficult nut to crack. Who would you take from there squad for ours? Personally Saka, ESR, Tierney and maybe Partey 1
Deeg67 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 11 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: As we have show it a very difficult nut to crack. Who would you take from there squad for ours? Personally Saka, ESR, Tierney and maybe Partey Those, plus Pepe, Xhaka, Tierney, Holding, Lacazette. Would they all start every match? Obviously no, but they're all good players.
5waller5 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 4 minutes ago, jmono84 said: I think Saka is severely overrated Me too. I think there’s only two of us that share this opinion though! 1
surrifox Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 1 hour ago, hejammy said: Arsenal are literally the anti-leicester. They are the complete opposite to us in terms of the way our the club is run, the man management, the way they do their transfer business, their deluded fans etc. I actually used to have a soft spot for them but now I just feel sorry for them. If Madders was to go it would say more about Madders than it would Arsenal making a "big" signing. Imagine lobbying to get Wenger sacked and ending up with Arteta via Emery . With their manager trajectory they’ll have some utterly hopeless ex AFC player running the show in a couple of years
chapero82 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 12 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Me too. I think there’s only two of us that share this opinion though! I do too 2
SecretPro Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 16 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Me too. I think there’s only two of us that share this opinion though! Me too.
coolhandfox Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 29 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: Those, plus Pepe, Xhaka, Tierney, Holding, Lacazette. Would they all start every match? Obviously no, but they're all good players. Xhaka is going Roma, I had Tierney in my list. I think out of thier whole squad only Tierney and Saka and maybe Lacazette get in our best 11
MGLCFC Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 I can see us selling Maddison for £60m and using the money to buy Maduake, Pereira and Kabak
Number 6 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 4 hours ago, Deeg67 said: I actually don't think Arsenal is all that far from being a top 4 contender, though I don't think Maddison is the guy that would get them there. I think top 4 will be the same for the third season running, and I think there will be a bigger gap this year. All 4 seem to be in fairly decent shape, settled managers, spending big money. The pandemic has affected those clubs the least, and I think they will capitalise. We're probably then in that next group with Arsenal and Spurs. It would seem a bit of a sideways move for Madders but even with Arsenal being poor at the moment they've still picked up an FA cup and been to the league cup final in recent years. Personally I think he could wait for a better move but it looks like Arsenal are willing to spend big this summer.
Deeg67 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 14 minutes ago, Number 6 said: I think top 4 will be the same for the third season running, and I think there will be a bigger gap this year. All 4 seem to be in fairly decent shape, settled managers, spending big money. The pandemic has affected those clubs the least, and I think they will capitalise. We're probably then in that next group with Arsenal and Spurs. It would seem a bit of a sideways move for Madders but even with Arsenal being poor at the moment they've still picked up an FA cup and been to the league cup final in recent years. Personally I think he could wait for a better move but it looks like Arsenal are willing to spend big this summer. I don't disagree there - the top 4 seem pretty settled to me. I just don't think Arsenal is very far behind us in that next group. 1
Finnegan Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 5 hours ago, Deeg67 said: This place is getting kinda cocky and entitled considering we haven't made top 4 ourselves since we won the league. I actually don't think Arsenal is all that far from being a top 4 contender, though I don't think Maddison is the guy that would get them there. They're absolutely miles off in terms of squad, Arteta is massively inexperienced, their recruitment power is falling off a cliff, Aston Villa think they can bully them for their young players and most importantly they're a financial mess with an owner that doesn't want to invest his own capital. They're going nowhere. 3
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 I've just remembered arsenal got outbid for maddison by villa. They are very capable of bidding shit loads for a player late in the window though. This prompted it. Just now, Finnegan said: They're absolutely miles off in terms of squad, Arteta is massively inexperienced, their recruitment power is falling off a cliff, Aston Villa think they can bully them for their young players and most importantly they're a financial mess with an owner that doesn't want to invest his own capital. They're going nowhere.
5waller5 Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 1 hour ago, MGLCFC said: I can see us selling Maddison for £60m and using the money to buy Maduake, Pereira and Kabak I think that would be an amazing trade!
urban.spaceman Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 The first guy’s profile states he’s an Arsenal AND Barcelona/Messi fan. 1
Guest TaggertvsWise Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 12 hours ago, alanf0x said: They offer £60 million, he is off. 100% We are ready to do business. Like others have said, he wants United, but the bright lights of London would turn his head. There you have just painted a typical transfer scenario…. The original question was “how do you know we are keen?” So can you answer that? Rumours, inside knowledge?
Foxxed Posted 22 July 2021 Posted 22 July 2021 28 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: The first guy’s profile states he’s an Arsenal AND Barcelona/Messi fan. How is that even an insult? “People outside Leicester only became Leicester fans after you won the title” I’m in an absolute fit of rage right now.
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