Vestergaard signs

[An Sionnach]

There is no reason to single out anybody, collectively we concede too many goals. Brighton have only scored eight goals but they have been very tight at the other end, hence they are fifth in the table.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Vestergaard wasn't in Hasenhuttl's plans for Southampton playing his preferred style of playing a high press, plus Vestergaard can't play against teams who play counter attacking football with pace  because he's do sluggish to react and can't run. Probably he can only play against teams like Burnley who sit deep. Said this before that unsurprisingly Southampton defence are conceding less goals this season without the defensive duo of Vestergaard and Bertrand.

[TheFiveTime]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Heavens above! This is the type of thing I’m talking about. What game were you watching if you didn’t think we were defensively all over the place in the first half?!

I don't think we were all over the place. We looked open for sure but I feel that was due to the playstyle more than a lack of defensive organisation awareness. We were bad. Not all over the place. Saying heavens above does not make you right btw, everyone has their own interpretation of the game and yours is different to mine.

[Fox92]

9 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Vestergaard wasn't in Hasenhuttl's plans for Southampton playing his preferred style of playing a high press, plus Vestergaard can't play against teams who play counter attacking football with pace  because he's do sluggish to react and can't run. Probably he can only play against teams like Burnley who sit deep. Said this before that unsurprisingly Southampton defence are conceding less goals this season without the defensive duo of Vestergaard and Bertrand.

Tend to agree with that post but the other week Vydra got in behind him, and in front of him, a hell of a lot. He couldn't handle Vydra that day.

[shen]

6 hours ago, TheStig said:

Actually Vestergaard has looked out of sorts also in the Denmark side so its not just only with City he has shown poor form. So I don´t think time is the issue to solve the problem

I wouldn't say he's looked out of sorts for Denmark. Not great, especially against Austria, but he's never been a standout anyway.

He was clearly targeted during the Euros by opposition teams as well, which is why I wasn't too keen on him to begin with - he always has a clanger in him or a moment where he gets badly exposed.

 

The flipside is his solid passing game and committed attitude. He's not been as weak physically as he's been with Leicester.

[TheStig]

9 hours ago, shen said:

I wouldn't say he's looked out of sorts for Denmark. Not great, especially against Austria, but he's never been a standout anyway.

He was clearly targeted during the Euros by opposition teams as well, which is why I wasn't too keen on him to begin with - he always has a clanger in him or a moment where he gets badly exposed.

 

The flipside is his solid passing game and committed attitude. He's not been as weak physically as he's been with Leicester.

I was not keen on him at all and think its a mistake to have bought him. To me solid passing and commitment is not enough. I can pass and be committed but it doesnt (unfortunately) warrant a well paid contract with a succesful and ambitious Leicester City...

[deanolegend1989]

On 20/10/2021 at 19:24, honeybradger said:

He was bought as a defender, he cant defend.

He was bought to help Southampton out. Take a dud off their hands and help them survive.

 

On 20/10/2021 at 19:08, Ric Flair said:

I cannot handle how bad he is mate, waddles on the pitch today and then gets done straight the way for the 3rd goal. I could just about stomach him being turned but look at his positioning when the ball comes across, he hasn't got a fcukin clue.

 

Dog shit player, I'd pay his contract off if it meant we never had to see him again. I'll work until I'm 285 if needs be.

Absolutely spot on Ric. Exactly how I see it. He’s useless and doesn’t offer a single positive. I’d drive him anywhere as long as it’s away from here.

 

 

 

 

Also the people throwing the ‘scapegoat’ comment is just nonsense. It’s called seeing a player is so far out his depth is scary and calling it out rather than using classic glossing over comments like ‘he’ll come good’ or ‘he’s still finding his feet’.

 

Ive seen him so many times for Southampton and thought he was awful. They have struggled every season at the back and this season have improved defensively. He’s ‘coincidentally’ been in a team spanked TWICE 9-0 and last season getting sent off vs us actually made them tougher to beat!

So signing him was very underwhelming and I had my doubts from what I’ve seen which I’m entitled too, however I always will try and give a chance.

He has come to us and didn’t start the season but got his first start vs Man City.

He did ok but we were very lucky to not concede a few in the first half, ultimately we lose.

He then plays against Brighton and was awful.

We then play Burnley and this showed up how bad he really is. Matej Vydra, arguably one of the worst number 9s in the Prem was made to look like Messi. He was all over the shop. Absolutely useless performance but our attack and Jamie Vardys finishing bailed us out.

Palace next and being 2-0 up , I still knew we would not win and we’re vulnerable, we have defensive problems and it’s mainly down to the fact we are carrying this lump.

He got absolutely roasted by Eduoard who missed a sitter and it was relentless pressure that he can’t cope with. You just knew Palace would comeback in the same way I was confident last night until he came on.

This isn’t even mentioning the fact he was all over the shop Vs Warsaw, Hugely at fault for both Napoli goals by being so slow and roasted for the first and so weak in the air for the 2nd despite being 6’6 and that supposedly being his main asset, then tonight comes on for 7 mins and I’m suddenly worried we’re going to hold on even with 2 goals up so late on. Which he then amazingly still manages to look like a clown in such little time.

Stepping up out of his line the way he did was amateur but to misjudge it so badly to be rolled then when running back to goal, running beyond the ball when in your box is absolutely criminal. Anyone whose played the game, even at semi professional level, wouldnt of defended that bad in that situation for the 3rd last night! That alone is not a ‘form’ thing, it’s a ‘off the level’ thing. Take into account not only is his reading of the game ‘off the level’ but hes probably the slowest in the division and so weak, literally the 3 things that make you a good defender.

At 29 he’s not going to get any quicker and he’s not going to become any better. He’s a massive dud and it’s as simple as that.

 

I saw a stat the other day. We’ve not lost from being 2-0+ up since 2003(4-3 vs Wolves), yet we did it twice vs Napoli and Palace with him starting. Coincidence? the same coincidence that when he’s finally dropped for the last 2 games we look the best we’ve played all season and flowed much better/looked less vulnerable.

Scapegoating someone is not calling out someone whose clearly useless and shown his level over years in the Premier league.

 

Hes the worst signing we’ve ever made, right up there with Ryan Bennet, Lee Marshall, Islam Slimani and Junior Lewis but number 1 for me as he’s in the best squad we’ve ever had so would fit in easy even if he was just a ‘meh’ player as the likes of the others mentioned were in poor teams where your more shown up if your poor.

For example Ade Akinbiyi gets this all the time, but people don’t actually realise he started ok, we were in the top 4 in March that year. We dropped like a brick because Neil Lennon moved in the Jan and we fell apart. The same way we did when Kante left and the same way I fear when Youri leaves. That lynch pin is the most crucial position in a team.

Akinbiyi had a stinker against Liverpool that sticks in people’s heads and at 5 mill, was big money for us back then. Reality is this useless rubbish is far worse.

He’s also a more expensive waste of space than all of the above, except Slimani. 

Every single time he’s on the pitch, our XG against will sky rocket. If we want to do anything decent this year, the more time this guy is not involved the better chance we have.

 

Scapegoat? No. Reality? Yes.

[mozartfox]

Had Fofana not been injured, we would never have signed Vestergaard.  We needed to get someone in as the Benkovic situation remains a mystery.

 

In a nutshell, circumstances forced the Club into doing something in a short time window.

 

These assassinations of players on FT are inevitable and counter productive.  Achieves nothing. Scapegoats often become heroes after one single match. Players become rubbish after a loss of form.  If players read this forum, God help us. 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

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Scapegoat? No. Reality? Yes.

Bollocks

 

Scapegoat? yes Given time? no

 

He actually did one absolutely critical thing when he came on, and it seems to be being willfully overlooked though!!

 

Jonny got to go off 

[deanolegend1989]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Bollocks

 

Scapegoat? yes Given time? no

 

He actually did one absolutely critical thing when he came on, and it seems to be being willfully overlooked though!!

 

Jonny got to go off 

I’ll give you that, he does offer us something. Johnny needs to be managed.

[messerschmitt]

2 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Had Fofana not been injured, we would never have signed Vestergaard.  We needed to get someone in as the Benkovic situation remains a mystery.

 

In a nutshell, circumstances forced the Club into doing something in a short time window.

 

These assassinations of players on FT are inevitable and counter productive.  Achieves nothing. Scapegoats often become heroes after one single match. Players become rubbish after a loss of form.  If players read this forum, God help us. 

The Benkovic situation is certainly a mystery, In the limited time I've seen him play for Leicester he's looked pretty solid with a few great runs with the ball and a few excellent passes, looked good at Bristol with a couple of goals, including a great curling finish into the top corner, excellent at Celtic, fans compared him to van Djyk, Rodgers said he was future Premier league. Looks a far better player than Vesergaard.

[StanSP]

Worst signing ever

 

The hyperbolic nature of some of the nonsense in that post is ridiculous. 

 

Literally put all the goals we've conceded at Vestergaard's door. As if every single thing has been his fault. 

 

The literal definition of being scapegoated.

 

Surprised you didn't blame him for the 2 goals we conceded against Man Utd or Spartak in first half. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, deanolegend1989 said:

I’ll give you that, he does offer us something. Johnny needs to be managed.

Seriously, he is way below the required standard as it stands. Surely the bordering on hate/oputrage dished out to Perez should tell us something? Perez was a bit cack and not good enough, but maybe (hopefully) we are starting to see it. Same may be true of Jannick. If at the end of the season he stlll cack, fair play, you were all spot on, but would rather wait for a larger sample size.

 

However, each to their own  

[drumbeat]

Context is important. When we bought Vestergaard, it was not ideal circumstances. His signing was not part of a 5 year plan for which he was scouted. It was a case of who was available for the money we wanted to spend at the time. Maybe Kasper's opinion carried a deal of weight? Who can say? 

 

I don't have a problem with Vestergaard per se but  sadlyhis limitations (and most players have those) are exposed in our line up and system. He is however solid, experienced and has a good pass on him. He ticked a number boxes at the time.

 

Hindsight is a with wonderful thing. Could we have done better signing a 19 year old from the Isthmian league? Probably not, but you never know. How lucky do you feel?

 

You can only play the cards your dealt and Vestergaard, love him or hate him, is in our hand (I.e. squad) and played as needed. Circumstances dictate that we need him even more than was anticpated. 

 

The only question he leaves me with is is.... just how unreliable is Benkovic? 

[HighPeakFox]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Seriously, he is way below the required standard as it stands. Surely the bordering on hate/oputrage dished out to Perez should tell us something? Perez was a bit cack and not good enough, but maybe (hopefully) we are starting to see it. Same may be true of Jannick. If at the end of the season he stlll cack, fair play, you were all spot on, but would rather wait for a larger sample size.

 

However, each to their own  

Generally - sadly - people like to react immediately to ANYTHING  negative, and seem to be rather less noisy when shown (in time) to have been somewhat hasty. A lot of people simply cannot admit they might have been wrong, because it means admitting the possibility that they might be wrong about a lot of things.

 

For clarity - this is a general comment, and not aimed at anyone in particular... I can be as guilty of this as the next man, I just try to check on myself.

Edited 22 October 2021 by HighPeakFox

[lcfc sheff]

Not the worst signing ever but he is shite 

[An Sionnach]

The fault does not lie with Vestergaad, he is what he is. Rodgers is a professional football coach and he should know a player's capabilities far better than us. If he selects him for the team ,he must think he is good enough. He knows that he is nowhere near as good as Jonny , very few are , however we had injury limitations and he knew that the replacements were not of the same standard. Once again I say not paying the price for Tarkowski was a mistake 

[Koke]

The fact that Amartey is preferred over him is a damning indictment on him. Made me think, if we were to sell Amartey he'd probably go for about £15m as well. 

[norwichfox]

19 hours ago, Col city fan said:

64 goals in 46 games…. There ya go…

Anyone gonna go a breakdown of who was playing in the defence when the goals were scored?

I've had a breakdown because of who was in defence when the goals were scored, contact Rodgers to get what you are asking for...it may get him to read his own defensive notes as well with a bit of luck.

[TheFiveTime]

He wasn't wanted by southampton fans when they sold him which makes me think he isn't that good and that we have been had. Do we give up on him and sell him? no. We have to give him chances to fulfill his potential. Play him in cup games etc etc. However, as a reliable first team quality defender we can't afford his continue mistakes on the pitch and unless we are in a defensive crisis he is not worth risking for the time being until he either proves us all wrong or goes.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

When everyone is fit, Vestergaard probably doesn't even make the bench.

Perhaps the same goes for Bertrand.

 

Bertrand was the Fuchs replacement and Fuchs barely featured in recent times.

Vestergaard wouldn't have been recruited had Fofana (and Evans) been injured.

 

We needed cover but not the cost of elite level players, especially when we didn't sell anyone this summer (which is what every wanted, right?)

We paid £15m for two squad players which is nothing much in modern terms.

The level of hyperbole is ridiculous.

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

He's a Championship player.

 

His feet are too slow.  His body is too slow to manoeuvre in reaction. 

 

Its a bit gutting as I was hoping for another gem singing.

[onekeithweller]

8 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

He's a Championship player.

 

His feet are too slow.  His body is too slow to manoeuvre in reaction. 

 

Its a bit gutting as I was hoping for another gem singing.

He's ok in the bath apparently.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

On 21/10/2021 at 16:49, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Vestergaard wasn't in Hasenhuttl's plans for Southampton playing his preferred style of playing a high press, plus Vestergaard can't play against teams who play counter attacking football with pace  because he's do sluggish to react and can't run. Probably he can only play against teams like Burnley who sit deep. Said this before that unsurprisingly Southampton defence are conceding less goals this season without the defensive duo of Vestergaard and Bertrand.

You do write some utter shit. Explain how he started for them regularly last year then?

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

You do write some utter shit. Explain how he started for them regularly last year then?

He had photos …..