Vestergaard signs

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Soyuncu is going through it at the moment but he is a very talented player. Its in his head of course and that's why Evans is so vital to him. Amartey is another level headed defender so the more these three play together the better it will be for Caglar. We certainly need clean sheets but I think they are coming.

Of course, Cags is a great defender when he is on it, but as we saw with Maddison, sometimes headspace and time away from the first team can help. Would I rather start a on form Soyuncu over Vestergaard? Absolutely, 100% of the time. However, sometimes a break rather than persistence can help was my only point. Not a fan of quoting historic performances at the cost of more contemporary performances, you have to pick a side based largely on form not emotion.

[Tom12345]

18 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

No one can really tell how decent a centre half is when they are playing with Jonny Evans. Jonny is like a game-breaking buff for any unit next to him. For all we know Fofana could actually be absolute shite, who knows.

You are right!

 

I watched the Man U vs Liverpool game. Maguire is a much better player than Vestergaard but he also reminds me of Vestergaard: Tall, immobile, slow on the turn, rushes out unnecessarily. No wonder they are leaking goals!

 

And then I compare to Evans. This is so under appreciated, but Evans is so so good with his positioning. Not only does he positions himself in anticipation of danger from the opposition, but he also anticipates so well mistakes by his teammates or his teammates going out of position. This is why Soyuncu looks so much better with Evans as Evans know how to position himself not just to cover but actually to stop the opposition from making a pass through the gap left opened say by Soyuncu.

 

Evans - legend.

[murphy]

I didn't see the game bar the highlights on motd but what I saw of Vestergaard he stretched to nod a header to the feet of a Brentford player putting us under pressure and took two attempts to fail to clear a corner right on full time.  That was it, but if those that saw the full half hour say that he had a good game, fine, but I also think that sometimes when we have a bit of a dud on our hands we set the bar so low that simply not fcking up is seen as having played quite well.

[sm1]

13 minutes ago, murphy said:

I didn't see the game bar the highlights on motd but what I saw of Vestergaard he stretched to nod a header to the feet of a Brentford player putting us under pressure and took two attempts to fail to clear a corner right on full time.  That was it, but if those that saw the full half hour say that he had a good game, fine, but I also think that sometimes when we have a bit of a dud on our hands we set the bar so low that simply not fcking up is seen as having played quite well.

You hit the nail on the head. He's so shit, that 2 mistakes in 20 odd minutes is seen as a positive. It's true, Caglar was poor, but I'd still have him over Vestergaard every time.

[Clever Fox]

I can't help but think of why did we get rid of Knight who didn't owe us anything and then waste 13 Million on Vestagaard. He has no Pace, Mobility, Or Physical presence as he's get bullied by players half his size.

Then when he wins a header he heads it back into the danger zone or to the opposition. It just seems a poor move by the Club.

[CloudFox]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

I can't help but think of why did we get rid of Knight who didn't owe us anything and then waste 13 Million on Vestagaard. He has no Pace, Mobility, Or Physical presence as he's get bullied by players half his size.

Then when he wins a header he heads it back into the danger zone or to the opposition. It just seems a poor move by the Club.

I think in an ideal world we would have kept Knight. However, he wanted game time, and at that time be wasn't getting past Evans, Fofana and Soyuncu. We weren't to know that Fofana would be injured last game of pre-season, that Evans' condition would be longer term than expected, or that Cags would be so off-form.

 

Vestergaard came in solely because we were left with 1 senior centre back. That's just football for you sometimes.

[Guest]

This is the Knight who's currently a squad player at Peterborough, yes?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

I can't help but think of why did we get rid of Knight who didn't owe us anything and then waste 13 Million on Vestagaard. He has no Pace, Mobility, Or Physical presence as he's get bullied by players half his size.

Then when he wins a header he heads it back into the danger zone or to the opposition. It just seems a poor move by the Club.

However much you think Vestergaard has struggled so far, Knight has found Championship football just as tough this season. He's played the equivalent of 5 and a bit games of football for Posh and they have conceded 15 goals when he's played. He's not ready for the PL yet, and may never be.

[An Sionnach]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

I can't help but think of why did we get rid of Knight who didn't owe us anything and then waste 13 Million on Vestagaard. He has no Pace, Mobility, Or Physical presence as he's get bullied by players half his size.

Then when he wins a header he heads it back into the danger zone or to the opposition. It just seems a poor move by the Club.

I think Rodgers was thinking four at the back and a surfeit of CBs , the injuries and the defensive failures have changed his mind , Vestergard is now cover for the three occupants until Fofana is fit. At the moment he will be waiting for JJ and then Vestergard is fifth in line. Our defence so far has been pretty shoddy so Rodgers will be hoping JJ's return will tighten that up.

[coolhandfox]

30 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

I think in an ideal world we would have kept Knight. However, he wanted game time, and at that time be wasn't getting past Evans, Fofana and Soyuncu. We weren't to know that Fofana would be injured last game of pre-season, that Evans' condition would be longer term than expected, or that Cags would be so off-form.

 

Vestergaard came in solely because we were left with 1 senior centre back. That's just football for you sometimes.

I don't think Knight was every seen as someone who wouldn't make it here long term. 

 

The fact he only managed 9 minutes in the LC with the LCFC first team by the age of 23 is a good indication.

[FoxesWalk]

By far our best at blocking shots this season (he is also our best passer). Not sure what people expected from him, he’s a tall ball playing centre back, weak if dribbled at, he is the player I expected. Won’t be first choice when everyone is available, but more than good enough as a backup option. Our system doesn’t really suit him (in the sense we let runners go directly at him to exploit his weaknesses), don’t see that as his problem tbh, Rodgers coaches the team, they’re supposed to work to their strengths and cover each other’s weaknesses. 

 

Edited 27 October 2021 by FoxesWalk

[KrefelderFox666]

2 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

By far our best at blocking shots this season (he is also our best passer). Not sure what people expected from him, he’s a tall ball playing centre back, weak if dribbled at, he is the player I expected. Won’t be first choice when everyone is available, but more than good enough as a backup option. Our system doesn’t really suit him (in the sense we let runners go directly at him to exploit his weaknesses), don’t see that as his problem tbh, Rodgers coaches the team, they’re supposed to work to their strengths and cover each other’s weaknesses. 

 

I bet over 50% of those blocks were against Man City! I just remember endless blocks that game.

[Ric Flair]

Will we ever keep a clean sheet in a game he starts in? 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Was he at fault for Brightons goal, half heartedly tries to head the ball but misses? It happened so fast, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong!

[adam95581]

2 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Was he at fault for Brightons goal, half heartedly tries to head the ball but misses? It happened so fast, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong!

His starting position was too far away from the Brighton player and he was too slow to get there and effect it. I think it’s more the fault of zonal marking than specifically being down to him. 

[Brooksy]

4 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Was he at fault for Brightons goal, half heartedly tries to head the ball but misses? It happened so fast, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong!

I've not seen it but yes he was at fault.

[when_you're_smiling]

To be fair, it was just a lucky break. Vestergaard did enough to put the player he was marking off his attempt at goal, it just fell luckily for them. 

[TAFKA Castroneves]

Tonight he’s playing alongside Cags and Bertrand as CBs in effect doing the Evans role. He’s actually looked alright as well, they scored from a sloppy corner - but Connelly hasn’t seen much of the game - he’s done his job on him well so far 👍 keep building Big Vesty 🦊 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

Utter garbage player. 

[ronnup]

Lamppost 

[dmayne7]

Best he's played so far. And bear in mind he got away with a ridiculous handball, and wasn't punished for charging in and getting completely done, that says a lot. The fact that he jogged back after the latter of the 2 above was shameful.

[Tielemans63]

Again, thought he was fine tonight.

[adam]

Absolute clogger 

[Jimothy]

Better tonight, but would still be 5th choice centre back when everyone fit though.

[eblair]

4 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

Again, thought he was fine tonight.

He was at fault for the 2nd and arguably the 1st. Identical mistake to one he made against Spartak as well… not learning