LEI- CHE Post Match Discussion (Moan In)

[Vestan Pance]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Defending corners - 

the first goal was so poor from our perspective and well crafted from theirs 

 

they blocked off wilf so that he couldn’t squeeze rudiger behind Castagne (one in front, one behind). It’s mad that they found it so simple to do that. How can we be so naive that we had no one to block off a player who was standing on our goal line from wandering back into the play 

 

they had their other dangerous players at the back post which dragged cags and Jonny out of the live area. 
 

teams will actively over prepare for corners as we are so suspect. Claudio won’t miss that re next weekend  - I expect Watford may spend a whole session on it this week as it’s so likely to yield success. 

Also the thing that most upset me today was our 'attacking' set pieces, especially the free-kicks, the incompetence was unbelievable, 3 times we dropped the ball into an area that no City players were anywhere near.

 

Going into a game like this you'd expect set pieces to be pretty valuable knowing how hard it would be to create chances against the European Champions. But no, we threw them away, it appeared there was no organisation, no plan, no routine, no idea. Dreadful.

[Clever Fox]

18 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Brendan would never do that whatever the circumstances…

Isn't it just arrogance on his part. His job is to win games, How he does it doesn't matter while he develops the team to play his system.

Edited 21 November 2021 by Clever Fox

[st albans fox]

17 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Isn't just arrogance on his part. His job is to win games, How he does it doesn't matter while he develops the team to play his system.

When you believe in something like he does then you don’t compromise your beliefs …l

[jammie82uk]

Seems the king power ground extension has gone well 

 

 

[GlennyFox55]

Poor on and off the pitch today.

[twister]

rodgers also had a pop at the crowd today

 

hasnt done that before, I wonder if he is looking for a get out clause reason to go to united mid season, just as he left celtic

 

modern football is all about the self though, clubs sack managers whenever they want, players stop playing managers the minute their ego gets disrupted, managers leave when they want.

 

its the modern game really.

[RonnieTodger]

Players have to take some stick too. That’s one of the worst displays I’ve ever seen from Vardy and Schmeichel’s daft Pirlo chips just play us into trouble.

 

Says a lot when your best players are 5/10s from Amartey and Albrighton. 

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, jammie82uk said:

Seems the king power ground extension has gone well 

 

 

They've had to include Kante a couple of times. 

[Dan]

We'd have lost to anybody in the league today. We were an utter disgrace. 0-3 was flattering.

[HybridFox]

1 hour ago, jammie82uk said:

Seems the king power ground extension has gone well 

 

 

I noticed this and thought wtf 

[Babylon]

Diabolical, again.

 

He’s not turning this around is he. 

[Bptiger]

What a piss pour performance, again we concede a goal from a free kick ( our free kick ) we just played ourselves into trouble . We don’t have a play maker soumare is a defensive player , yet we will not buy one in the last two seasons . Chelsea looked like men against boys there ball control and movement was 10 out of 10 ours was 1 out of 10 . Iam sure all this talk of Rodgers going is playing on the managers mind and the players sooner he goes the better .

[Kopic]

3 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

Seems the king power ground extension has gone well 

 

 

I didn't actually know the capacity of the ground, so I Googled it. I found this, which makes me wonder, is the expansion worth it?

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

5 hours ago, st albans fox said:

When you believe in something like he does then you don’t compromise your beliefs …l

If you haven't managed to get a team to implement your system after two and a half seasons then either they can't do it with the players they have or, your methods for teaching it are incredibly poor. There's no get out clause for either really. 

 

If it's the latter, you can't be a very good teacher, if it's the former, you should have realised by now and adapted in order to win games because that is the whole object of the exercise. We were never going to be able to buy an off the shelf Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets with Messi to pass to because even if they still existed, Leicester City wouldn't be able to afford them. Possibly his particular style of possession football is redundant anyway. 

 

Surely his job is to get the best out of the actual players he's got, not slavishly follow a philosophy with an imaginary team. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

If you haven't managed to get a team to implement your system after two and a half seasons then either they can't do it with the players they have or, your methods for teaching it are incredibly poor. There's no get out clause for either really. 

 

If it's the latter, you can't be a very good teacher, if it's the former, you should have realised by now and adapted in order to win games because that is the whole object of the exercise. We were never going to be able to buy an off the shelf Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets with Messi to pass to because even if they still existed, Leicester City wouldn't be able to afford them. Possibly his particular style of possession football is redundant anyway. 

 

Surely his job is to get the best out of the actual players he's got, not slavishly follow a philosophy with an imaginary team. 

 

[ozleicester]

9 hours ago, blueharmie said:

Is that his lad and can he play in defence? Realistically looking for him to defend corners. 

He is already in his zonal position.

[Langston]

7 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Players have to take some stick too. That’s one of the worst displays I’ve ever seen from Vardy and Schmeichel’s daft Pirlo chips just play us into trouble.

 

Says a lot when your best players are 5/10s from Amartey and Albrighton. 

 

Always worth caveating with acknowledgement he's a club legend but Kasper needs a rocket up his arse, looks overweight and plays like someone who knows their spot is set in concrete. Distribution has never really been his strong point but it's really being exposed as a limitation at the moment. He might very well be acting on instruction, though.

 

Likewise Vardy, if you're not gonna be involved in the game constantly, you have to make what you do count. Really think we need to be getting Daka on the pitch more at this stage.

[sishades]

9 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

Seems the king power ground extension has gone well 

 

 

I saw that too....maybe 3000 were sitting on the roof.

[deep blue]

6 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

If you haven't managed to get a team to implement your system after two and a half seasons then either they can't do it with the players they have or, your methods for teaching it are incredibly poor. There's no get out clause for either really. 

 

If it's the latter, you can't be a very good teacher, if it's the former, you should have realised by now and adapted in order to win games because that is the whole object of the exercise. We were never going to be able to buy an off the shelf Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets with Messi to pass to because even if they still existed, Leicester City wouldn't be able to afford them. Possibly his particular style of possession football is redundant anyway. 

 

Surely his job is to get the best out of the actual players he's got, not slavishly follow a philosophy with an imaginary team. 

I really don't get this talk of Rodgers getting a team to follow his ideas.  A year ago we were playing superb football and blowing teams away.  Surely he'd achieved his playing style by then with our squad, and his job at that point was to maintain and progress on what we already had.  The main need from that point then, as far as I can see, was to make minor adjustments to improve still more (and in order to take into account the different opposition strengths from match to match) and to integrate new signings into the pattern.

[Clever Fox]

13 hours ago, st albans fox said:

When you believe in something like he does then you don’t compromise your beliefs …l

I understand that thought process, That's fine when it's working. When it's not you need to question the methods. 

There is no one way to win matches.  You need flexibility both in systems and players.

 

[fazzyfox]

I support Rodgers but yesterday one of two things happened, coupled with an excellent performance from the opposition, he picked the wrong team / formation, or / and the players didn't understand it or adapt to it. The passing was shocking particularly in the first half but they were dealing with different angles and distances to usual with wing backs behind wide forwards (insert Gary Taylor Fletcher Joke) for the first time. Still no excuse for Evans backwards passing in the lead up to the first goal, Kasper playing hospital balls to players already outnumbered etc. A general careless attitude and lack of taking responsibility for the pass, just jab it on any old way to the next guy and my jobs done attitude, if it arrives it's a bonus.

 

I would like Rodgers to have come out and say he clearly got it wrong - as the half time changes suggest or emphasize that it is the players duty to be more quickly adaptable and take on board what is being asked of them. It was a hell of a level to play against with an unfamiliar shape and system, I'm sure giving Kante the freedom of the pitch wasn't part of the game plan but with no City AM to mark it was always going to happen. And the issue of leaving out Madison in a home game in order to have a back 5 (and I won't call it a 3, against United it was a 3 but not yesterday) and two essentially DM's, that's 7 players and Kasper who won't be offering a goal threat at the other end, at home? Too respectful of Chelsea? 

 

Listening to the opening interview it sounded as if he had had Ricardo available he wouldn't have gone with a back 5 as he replied about Albrighton and Amartey coming in to counter his injury, his only other RB option in a 4 would be Castagne and that would mean Thomas or Bertrand at LB in a 4 which he clearly didn't fancy. It's a new problem this season that we have so many out of form or not up to it players in the squad that you avoid turning to. Previously it was Perez, a 30 Million pound signing that you don't have confidence in affecting a game. The set piece goals conceded, oh if only we had a 6 foot 5 lamp post who has an established understanding with Kasper at International level to head those away.....oh hang on we do, but in open play he has the turning circle of a wardrobe and lets opponents run off him like rain off a roof. Along with Bertrand, and maybe Benkovic means three wasted squad places, Perez making it 4, players that you wouldn't turn to with any confidence. We'll never know who the right winger could have been in the summer (what I feel is the missing piece when all fit) but just remember we took to the field yesterday without arguably our best CB, 2 of our best 3 full backs and our best midfielder. Yes, Chelsea are without Lukaku and Werner but have the resources to cover that.

 

We seem to be marking space and zones, not players, not just at set pieces, even with wing backs and wide forwards their wing backs arrived in our box time and time again unmarked. If they drift inside go with them, what's the point of staying out wide yourself "keeping shape", it's not the Red Arrows, players stick the ball in the net not space. Put your body between them and the goal and they don't get the shot in. Worrying about a zone that no opponent is trying to compete with you for in mind-numbingly ridiculous. 

 

A very bad day at the office but at a tough tough level, the worry is forthcoming opponents are having up curves and new manager bounce at the moment, there will be few or no easy games.

Edited 21 November 2021 by fazzyfox

[Stadt]

Left at halftime. Knew I wouldnt regret it

[Corky]

3 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Left at halftime. Knew I wouldnt regret it

Quite telling that usually on here booing and leaving early are divisive, heated topics but after this game there's no digging out or belittling. Everyone shared the same annoyance about it all.

[Stadt]

8 minutes ago, Corky said:

Quite telling that usually on here booing and leaving early are divisive, heated topics but after this game there's no digging out or belittling. Everyone shared the same annoyance about it all.

It’s as bad as any performance we’ve had since we were promoted. Even when we were shit in 14/15 we could see how much we were battling, yesterday was incredibly pathetic and insipid.

 

This is the most expensive, talented team we’ve ever had and we’re worse now than under most of Puel’s tenure. Rodgers can have no excuses 

[Lesta2014]

1 hour ago, fazzyfox said:

I support Rodgers but yesterday one of two things happened, coupled with an excellent performance from the opposition, he picked the wrong team / formation, or / and the players didn't understand it or adapt to it. The passing was shocking particularly in the first half but they were dealing with different angles and distances to usual with wing backs behind wide forwards (insert Gary Taylor Fletcher Joke) for the first time. Still no excuse for Evans backwards passing in the lead up to the first goal, Kasper playing hospital balls to players already outnumbered etc. A general careless attitude and lack of taking responsibility for the pass, just jab it on any old way to the next guy and my jobs done attitude, if it arrives it's a bonus.

 

I would like Rodgers to have come out and say he clearly got it wrong - as the half time changes suggest or emphasize that it is the players duty to be more quickly adaptable and take on board what is being asked of them. It was a hell of a level to play against with an unfamiliar shape and system, I'm sure giving Kante the freedom of the pitch wasn't part of the game plan but with no City AM to mark it was always going to happen. And the issue of leaving out Madison in a home game in order to have a back 5 (and I won't call it a 3, against United it was a 3 but not yesterday) and two essentially DM's, that's 7 players and Kasper who won't be offering a goal threat at the other end, at home? Too respectful of Chelsea? 

 

Listening to the opening interview it sounded as if he had had Ricardo available he wouldn't have gone with a back 5 as he replied about Albrighton and Amartey coming in to counter his injury, his only other RB option in a 4 would be Castagne and that would mean Thomas or Bertrand at LB in a 4 which he clearly didn't fancy. It's a new problem this season that we have so many out of form or not up to it players in the squad that you avoid turning to. Previously it was Perez, a 30 Million pound signing that you don't have confidence in affecting a game. The set piece goals conceded, oh if only we had a 6 foot 5 lamp post who has an established understanding with Kasper at International level to head those away.....oh hang on we do, but in open play he has the turning circle of a wardrobe and lets opponents run off him like rain off a roof. Along with Bertrand, and maybe Benkovic means three wasted squad places, Perez making it 4, players that you wouldn't turn to with any confidence. We'll never know who the right winger could have been in the summer (what I feel is the missing piece when all fit) but just remember we took to the field yesterday without arguably our best CB, 2 of our best 3 full backs and our best midfielder. Yes, Chelsea are without Lukaku and Werner but have the resources to cover that.

 

We seem to be marking space and zones, not players, not just at set pieces, even with wing backs and wide forwards their wing backs arrived in our box time and time again unmarked. If they drift inside go with them, what's the point of staying out wide yourself "keeping shape", it's not the Red Arrows, players stick the ball in the net not space. Put your body between them and the goal and they don't get the shot in. Worrying about a zone that no opponent is trying to compete with you for in mind-numbingly ridiculous. 

 

A very bad day at the office but at a tough tough level, the worry is forthcoming opponents are having up curves and new manager bounce at the moment, there will be few or no easy games.

Difference being when chelsea have a couple out they still play the same way or whatever way they play they are well drilled! We don’t look well drilled or organised at the minute which is a concern! Under O’Neil we always looked organised especially from set pieces! Now we look so clueless it’s a concern, what are they actually doing in training? I saw a drill in the training video led by Rogers, other than being a warm up drill I’m not sure what the purpose of it is 24 hours before a game?