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Terrorist Attacks

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Steven

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13 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Capitol Building under lockdown. 

One person dead so far after a vehicle "slammed" into the security barrier.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56620113

 

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Robert Contee of the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department has just said at the briefing outside the US Capitol that the attack by a man driving a car at Capitol Police officers “does not appear to be terrorism related”.

 

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Nod.E

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5 minutes ago, bovril said:

American twitter eagerly awaits the attackers ethnicity to be revealed before going into complete meltdown for 48 hours.

White = lone wolf / mentally ill 

Anything else = turrrrrrrrist

 

 

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Nod.E

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23 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Interesting you draw a distinction between 'lone wolf' and 'terrorist' as if they are mutually exclusive.

The distinction only exists because that's the way it's reported and talked about. Implication being non white fascists by association must be part of a terrorist organisation. Because colour.

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2 hours ago, bovril said:

American twitter eagerly awaits the attackers ethnicity to be revealed before going into complete meltdown for 48 hours.

How shit is it that this is the world we live in, the minute the identity is revealed one of two things will happen: if he/she is a person of colour - the left another victim of a police shooting. The right he was a terrorist and this is why we need stronger immigration.

If he is white the left: see white men are the biggest threat to society all white men should be canceled. The right: he was driven to this, it was a one off and not representative of wider society.

 

Why can’t we all just agree regardless of colour or background, anyone who can kill another human doing their job or going about their normal business is clearly suffering a mental illness and needs proper support.

 

If America and everywhere else in the world wants to stop events like this, we need to do more to support mental health, identify possible threats treat the underlying problem. 
But easier than that is just jump on the person responsible for their ethnicity and blame that rather than looking deeper.

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As much as "enlightened centrism" seems reasonable on this one...

 

It's a matter of record and statistics that there is a problem with race relations in the US (as, by and large, there always has been) and, for all the attempts to address it, there is still disparity between demographics in terms of social position and opportunities. Trying to ignore that and viewing it as a problem based purely on mental health and access to firearms isn't going to make it go away and is as counter-productive as thinking it is just about race.

 

It's a many-faceted problem needing a many-faceted solution, and that includes more action towards the way minority groups are treated by the establishment and some of the voting public in the US.

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53 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

As much as "enlightened centrism" seems reasonable on this one...

 

It's a matter of record and statistics that there is a problem with race relations in the US (as, by and large, there always has been) and, for all the attempts to address it, there is still disparity between demographics in terms of social position and opportunities. Trying to ignore that and viewing it as a problem based purely on mental health and access to firearms isn't going to make it go away and is as counter-productive as thinking it is just about race.

 

It's a many-faceted problem needing a many-faceted solution, and that includes more action towards the way minority groups are treated by the establishment and some of the voting public in the US.

Whilst that is true, it is not as simple as looking at the colour of someone’s skin every time something happens. The way any event is covered in the US, both by mainstream media and by people on social media is very much “how can this event further my narrative” rather than let’s look at this case individually and look at the factors that lead to the event and the police response to the event.

There are many deep rooted problems over there, but looking at events from a point of view as simple as what colour was the skin of the person committing the crime devalues everything and will never solve anything.

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1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

Whilst that is true, it is not as simple as looking at the colour of someone’s skin every time something happens. The way any event is covered in the US, both by mainstream media and by people on social media is very much “how can this event further my narrative” rather than let’s look at this case individually and look at the factors that lead to the event and the police response to the event.

There are many deep rooted problems over there, but looking at events from a point of view as simple as what colour was the skin of the person committing the crime devalues everything and will never solve anything.

I think our viewpoints are reasonably aligned tbh: it's many different issues rather than just one and they all need to be focused on.

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Sounds like people will have to bust out the scientific calculators to see where they fall on this one. 

 

American born black man who seemed to have decent life opportunities and graduated university, supported nation of Islam and both killed and was killed by a cop. Literally a lgbtq tag away from the full house of an angle for everybody. 

 

Think I'll stick to calling him a cvnt and moving on though.

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11 hours ago, Nod.E said:

The distinction only exists because that's the way it's reported and talked about. Implication being non white fascists by association must be part of a terrorist organisation. Because colour.

Nonsense. For example, Khalid Masood, Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, Khuram Butt and his accomplices were all regarded as possible lone wolf attackers with immediate speculation concerning the mental health of Masood and Adebojalo in particular. Meanwhile, the attacks by Brenton Tarrant, Stephen Paddock, Darren Osborne and even Thomas Mair, were immediately branded as acts of terrorism with possible affiliation with a terrorist group. In respect of the the USA, I was in Texas at the time of the Boston Marathon attacks in 2013 and upon release of the Tsarnaev's photographs by the FBI, they were immediately declared as terrorists throughout American MSM without substantiation. The FBI recognises right wing extremism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country. 

 

The scars of 9-11 are nonetheless indelibly etched on the psyche of the nation. Despite the fact that 30% of Americans believe it to be an inside job, the spectre of international terrorism still haunts the USA and in fairness, I do concede that the American media is prone to stoking and sensationalising this. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

How shit is it that this is the world we live in, the minute the identity is revealed one of two things will happen: if he/she is a person of colour - the left another victim of a police shooting. The right he was a terrorist and this is why we need stronger immigration.

If he is white the left: see white men are the biggest threat to society all white men should be canceled. The right: he was driven to this, it was a one off and not representative of wider society.

 

Why can’t we all just agree regardless of colour or background, anyone who can kill another human doing their job or going about their normal business is clearly suffering a mental illness and needs proper support.

 

If America and everywhere else in the world wants to stop events like this, we need to do more to support mental health, identify possible threats treat the underlying problem. 
But easier than that is just jump on the person responsible for their ethnicity and blame that rather than looking deeper.

So what you’re suggesting is to wait for someone to kill and then try to understand why they did it and then look for similarities in other people, have a chat with them, stick them on some drugs and hope they don’t go awol. Fvckin plan that is.

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19 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Kabul Airport today. Isis then? 

 

I've read before Taliban and Isis have different beliefs so aren't on the same page.

I think it's being linked with Isis-K who i believe are a branch off of Isis itself. Isis and the Taliban don't get on as they both fight for the same territory. I've read that many Isis have fled to join the Taliban as its the dominant force but also heard many Taliban rejects have fled to Isis.

 

Both as evil in their own rights.

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I wonder how many Taliban soldiers were trained as 'Afghan soldiers'...

 

Can't imagine it would have been difficult to spin a web of lies, pretend you want to defend your country to get trained and kitted out and then rebel at the first opportunity. The US pulling out of Afghanistan is questionable but how fast the establishment crumbled there after certainly shows that the Taliban were already rooted within the structure of the Afghan army.

 

It seems very little resistance to their take over considering the weaponry available. I'd suggest a huge percentage of the Afghan army were Taliban sympathizers for it to have happened so quick and easily. 

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8 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

I wonder how many Taliban soldiers were trained as 'Afghan soldiers'...

 

Can't imagine it would have been difficult to spin a web of lies, pretend you want to defend your country to get trained and kitted out and then rebel at the first opportunity. The US pulling out of Afghanistan is questionable but how fast the establishment crumbled there after certainly shows that the Taliban were already rooted within the structure of the Afghan army.

 

It seems very little resistance to their take over considering the weaponry available. I'd suggest a huge percentage of the Afghan army were Taliban sympathizers for it to have happened so quick and easily. 

Perhaps but fighting an army that you know has no respect for the Geneva convention is going to mean that you’re more likely to cut and run at the first sign of things looking tough … Afghanistan is a country where nationalism is not so common with the country very tribal 

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