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The OH Leuven Thread

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Blue ROI

Blue ROI

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2 minutes ago, Lizhang said:

inckley fox, you keep referring to our position in the standings since Pearson took over. I have stated many times, that we are looking at what happens on the pitch, just as much. The way we are losing points, the amount of chances we created, how players are progressing... Last year he had the most expensive side in the league, it shouldn't count as some grand achievement that he managed to play top 3 with such a side. Yesterday, we drew 1-1 against the side with 1/5th of our budget. Again Pearson's side was second best, but they managed to get in front, and again fold. We are currently 4th in the standings, but 4 of the other teams still have to play today's match. What's maybe more telling is that he changed EIGHT of his players compared to last week. He knows what he's doing isn't working, but he clearly doesn't know how to correct the situation. This to me just shows he's grasping at straws and has no understanding of our league.

Can understand your frustration but has the season not just started?  Long way to go yet. 

Lizhang

Lizhang

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3 minutes ago, Blue ROI said:

Can understand your frustration but has the season not just started?  Long way to go yet. 

Yes, we are not just looking at the standings or at the past 6 matches. But at the actual progression made on the pitch. Which doesn't look like progression at all, but more like a decline over the past 12 months.

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1 hour ago, Lizhang said:

Yes, we are not just looking at the standings or at the past 6 matches. But at the actual progression made on the pitch. Which doesn't look like progression at all, but more like a decline over the past 12 months.

 

Sounds like a whinge to me. Isn't your job to stand on the terraces and sing your bollocks off in support?

 

A shit organisation is going to take time to sort out from top to bottom.

 

So what if you're not promoted this season. it won't stop you supporting them and watching the games will it?

 

Enjoy the ride (or not).

inckley fox

inckley fox

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2 hours ago, Lizhang said:

inckley fox, you keep referring to our position in the standings since Pearson took over. I have stated many times, that we are looking at what happens on the pitch, just as much. The way we are losing points, the amount of chances we created, how players are progressing... Last year he had the most expensive side in the league, it shouldn't count as some grand achievement that he managed to play top 3 with such a side. Yesterday, we drew 1-1 against the side with 1/5th of our budget. Again Pearson's side was second best, but they managed to get in front, and again fold. We are currently 4th in the standings, but 4 of the other teams still have to play today's match. What's maybe more telling is that he changed EIGHT of his players compared to last week. He knows what he's doing isn't working, but he clearly doesn't know how to correct the situation. This to me just shows he's grasping at straws and has no understanding of our league. In the meantime, our two best players from last year aren't getting any time. One doesn't even make it to the bench, the other one is benched. Our most promising youth player (one that already was able to push the team forward) is nowhere to be seen.

There's no doubt that he hasn't found the formula yet. Eight changes underlines that, even with all of your absences. It doesn't mean he doesn't understand your league, I'm not sure how you make that connection. It just means he had a lot of players unavailable, the team hasn't played well for a few matches, and he's looking for solutions. As for why your favourite players have been dropped, I don't know. There could be lots of valid reasons. If it's attitude-related then it might go some way to explaining why things haven't got going yet. Pearson knows a player when he sees one, don't worry about that.

 

There were a lot of summer signings and it takes those players time to click. In fact, you may have to go for top spot in the second cycle rather than the first as a result. A lot of new players and key players are still coming back into the fray and it's normal that it takes a good few games before things start firing, and whether your season has 28, 38 or 46 games in it, new players will take the same number of games to bed in regardless.

 

I understand the idea of looking at performances as well as results. However, if you believe that you've declined in terms of performances since Pearson took over, over which time you went from the second worst team in the overall league to second best (in 20 odd matches), then maybe some of your fans' ideals need to be questioned. It is a results business, after all.

 

I'd also look at the fact that none of your past 6 managers have lasted longer than 18 months in the job, which suggests that patience for a manager to build isn't exactly ingrained into Leuven's culture. The last manager who lasted any longer - your best manager, I assume - took you up and was in the process of bringing you back down when he left, so even he failed to meet your ambition.

 

As for yesterday, I tried but failed to watch it so you're in a better position to talk than I am. From what I understand Leuven started both halves very slowly, struggled for cohesion but still made chances to win the game, and ended up with a draw away at the side that had previously topped the table. It wasn't perfect, but in isolation that's a decent result, if not performance.

 

You really shouldn't focus on how much Lommel have invested compared to you. In Leicester's case, immense investment 2010-2012 took time to make its effect felt, whereas other, comparably less prestigious City sides enjoyed instant success. Investment can help, but ultimately you need a manager who can make it work. For Lommel it's been working, so a point at their place isn't a bad thing to take away, regardless of how rich you are!

 

So it seems to me like there are a lot of half-empty glasses in Leuven right now. Whether Pearson is in charge or not, it's important to remember the role fans have in making success possible at a club. When your club has enjoyed precious little success, your best ever manager didn't achieve what you wanted to, the next six all leave within a year or so, and a respected boss comes in, takes you from bottom but one to top but one, assembles a new-look side and struggles at the beginning of a campaign to find the formula, I think the norm is to be a bit more patient than you are. And, as I keep saying, if yours is the prevailing mood at Leuven and the atmosphere remains as toxic as it is right now, especially if the driving force behind that is a preference for Belgian players, managers and owners, then you'll be on the merry-go-round for a lot longer.

StriderHiryu

StriderHiryu

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@Lizhang I can understand the frustration, and perhaps Pearson will turn out to not be man to improve your club. But be patient because you have some of the best owners in all of sports. Our success didn't come overnight and there were many false starts with big-name managers (Sven, Sousa) and big money signings (Mills, Beckford). But it didn't get us out of the Championship and we were there for many years, even when we should really have gotten out of the division. But eventually the solid infrastructure put in place at the club behind the scenes (a lot of this done by Pearson) paid off and we were promoted, won the championship and now have begun our youth development project. All at the same time as increasing commercial revenue, improving the team and increasing the reputation of the club. Nigel Pearson was responsible for a lot of the good work done here with a lot of innovative thinking specifically in the stats based scouting approach and sports conditioning departments.

 

For both the owners and Pearson, they don't understand Belgian football yet. And perhaps it will take them longer to get their heads round it than they planned. But our owners don't do things in half-measures and eventually it will sort itself out. If you were thinking that being owned by the Thais was going to result in a rocket ship like growth and improvement then I'm sorry they aren't those type of owners. But they will be the type of owners who in five years time you will think "wow were we lucky to have them."

 

10 years ago Leicester City were playing in league one! The Thai's took over the club 8 years ago and well... things have improved just a bit since then :)

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VLC86

VLC86

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2 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said:

Leuven Probably need to go through a few managers before you find the right one to progress the club. 

They could always skip that part and just do a pre season tour of Thailand...

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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6 hours ago, Lizhang said:

inckley fox, you keep referring to our position in the standings since Pearson took over. I have stated many times, that we are looking at what happens on the pitch, just as much. The way we are losing points, the amount of chances we created, how players are progressing... Last year he had the most expensive side in the league, it shouldn't count as some grand achievement that he managed to play top 3 with such a side. Yesterday, we drew 1-1 against the side with 1/5th of our budget. Again Pearson's side was second best, but they managed to get in front, and again fold. We are currently 4th in the standings, but 4 of the other teams still have to play today's match. What's maybe more telling is that he changed EIGHT of his players compared to last week. He knows what he's doing isn't working, but he clearly doesn't know how to correct the situation. This to me just shows he's grasping at straws and has no understanding of our league. In the meantime, our two best players from last year aren't getting any time. One doesn't even make it to the bench, the other one is benched. Our most promising youth player (one that already was able to push the team forward) is nowhere to be seen.

 

This happened to us on a few occasions - long poor runs where we couldn’t find a way to reverse the slide ......  it will be fine  once Esteban decides how you should set up ...........

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Foxxed

Foxxed

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4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Pearson needs Shakespeare and Walsh back with him, done nothing of note since.

Neither has Walsh nor Shakespeare unless you count blowing loads of money and getting sacked and getting sacked after eight games into the new season.

Guest Col city fan

Guest Col city fan

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53 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Neither has Walsh nor Shakespeare unless you count blowing loads of money and getting sacked and getting sacked after eight games into the new season.

Again.. they only work/have worked well TOGETHER.

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Lizhang

Lizhang

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So, after tonight's games, we've dropped to 6th out of 8. Be it tied with two -edit: three- other clubs, yet with a home game more under our belt.

 

I've read all your comments, and well, all i can say is that i currently don't share your faith in Pearson. Thanks for the discussions, there's not a lot more to say from my side, so i'll be leaving this topic for a while. We'd only be going in circles (if we haven't already). Good luck in the EPL, i'll come back in a few weeks/months, hopefully a bit more upbeat by then (with or without Pearson).

 

PS: Incley Fox, there was only one player not available for this week's game compared to last week (Hirst). So, not really a reason to change 8 players.
EDIT: while it's true that it's still early in the season, as Shen points out below, there are only two opponents left that we haven't faced. It's easy to forget it's only a league with 7 opponents. And we're closer to being last, than being first, both in points and standings (and obviously, quality on the pitch).

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Vardinio'sCat

Vardinio'sCat

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Is Pearson to Leuven what Sven was to us? 

 

The owners started out making quite a few mistakes at LCFC before they hit the sweet spot, hopefully things will turn around soon, whoever is manager.

Foxxed

Foxxed

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3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

 

This happened to us on a few occasions - long poor runs where we couldn’t find a way to reverse the slide ......  it will be fine  once Esteban decides how you should set up ...........

I thought Este made a list of the games that were winnable? Lizhang could probably write a similar note for Pearson: "All of them, ****."

shen

shen

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13 hours ago, Lizhang said:

So, after tonight's games, we've dropped to 6th out of 8. Be it tied with two other clubs, yet with a home game more under our belt.

 

I've read all your comments, and well, all i can say is that i currently don't share your faith in Pearson. Thanks for the discussions, there's not a lot more to say from my side, so i'll be leaving this topic for a while. We'd only be going in circles (if we haven't already). Good luck in the EPL, i'll come back in a few weeks/months, hopefully a bit more upbeat by then (with or without Pearson).

 

PS: Incley Fox, there was only one player not available for this week's game compared to last week (Hirst). So, not really a reason to change 8 players.

You're tied with three other clubs and the league is ridiculously even at this stage with no club having conceded less than 6 goals or scored more than 9. It's a bit early to be a bit doom and gloom, no? Best of luck for the rest of the season. Hopefully Pearson will turn it around for you.

Lambert09

Lambert09

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Our owners should have sent over Kingy and Benny as well... that would have sorted them right out! May as well have gotten something for the money they're paying them. 

 

 

sacreblueits442

sacreblueits442

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11 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Our owners should have sent over Kingy and Benny as well... that would have sorted them right out! May as well have gotten something for the money they're paying them. 

 

 

... think King would be a good move to go there and also as a learning curve in a coaching capacity. 

Jimmy

Jimmy

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3 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

... think King would be a good move to go there and also as a learning curve in a coaching capacity. 

King is 29 I doubt he's thinking about coaching yet

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