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West Brom away pre match thread

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Clever Fox

Clever Fox

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It will be interesting to see if he leaves out Morgan for Dragovich. As Club captain I somehow doubt it.

Silva is worth another game to see if he can improve further.

I don't think he'll risk Okazaki, just getting over his injury. Bigger games coming up when he'll be needed.

After that the team largely picks itself. 

I would be nice to see Choudhary  and maybe Johnson,Knight or Hughes on the Bench. All 3 will have good careers.

 

If we're at it from the start then this should be a win for us and safety achieved.

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gurru991

gurru991

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24 minutes ago, dynamark said:

This is no time for the kids with respect and safety is not really what we should be thinking about.

Onwards and upwards

Never hurts to let a young player travel & hang with the big boys. Not saying to start but if a miracle happens & we're up by three with ten to go then give the lad a runout.

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vanity

vanity

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OK, for the 4th straight game... hey Claude, let's try starting a balanced team. You started 8 defensive-oriented players last week. EIGHT. This is worse than it sounds, as Vardy tends to play as deep as possible. You played 4 attacking players (Gray/Mahrez/Vardy + Iborra) earlier in the season, but then you fell in love with starting 8 defensive players during the Huddersfield/@Chelsea/Watford stretch, where we managed that well. But teams adapted. We went back to four when Riyad was out against Swansea (1-1), but then we played 3 attacking players when we got routed by Man City, then we went with 3 the last two games and drastically underperformed. We are playing one of the worst teams in the league this weekend. The only way they have a shot is if we do not field enough attacking players. 

 

As an example, let's look at what screwed Silva last match. At the start of the game in the 4-3-3, it looked roughly like this when Silva took the ball past midfield (D for defensive-oriented player)

 

D                                 D

D     D                                           V

D     D       Silva               

D                                M 

 

What the actual F is there for Silva to do with the ball? He is facing a bank of defenders with (1) Mahrez doubled, or at least marked with a second man in his area who will approach when he looks to receive the ball, and (2) Vardy at least 25-30 yards away with the deepest CBs.

 

This leaves Silva in an almost impossible situation -- getting the ball deep into the opponent's third without much in the way of support. Albrighton can send in crosses, but he is a defensive-oriented player who is not adept as a partner for bringing the ball forward. Ndidi and James are not adept passers, and our backs who come forward don't have those skills -- sure, we love Maguire, but he is good in straight lines, using his size and a bit of trickery to shield the ball. But he is not dribbling through a defense, and he is not partnering with Silva to reliably get the ball into the opponent's final 1/3. Silva basically has to navigate 30 yards alone and find the right passing angle. We need a MINIMUM of FOUR attacking players on the field to start, preferably 5, though Iborra counts as either attacking or defensive, as he is adept in both roles during the same game.

 

At the moment, Puel's mindset is wrong. His instinct is to get defensive against inferior teams at home, which is what we watched the last couple weeks. But he needs to play for 3-1, not 1-0. We need to play more attacking players, not fewer. Play Iborra, Silva, Diabate, Mahrez, and Vardy together, and we will have a real attack. Defenses won't be able to double Mahrez or bracket Vardy with CBs. Defenses will need to spread out and take risks. Most of all, Puel needs to show he understand the shortcomings of the team he is fielding, and not point simply to the expected goal statistics.

 

I mean, of course we suck scoring. We are playing too many defensive players and sending them forward, when what we need are actual attacking players taking the shots. 

 

Naturally, if Shinji is back, we play Iborra with Ndidi and let him control the middle behind Diabate/Mahrez/Shinji/Vardy.

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Vardinio'sCat

Vardinio'sCat

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shinji doesn't do well against WBA, traditionally. :(

 

Wish Iborra hadn't got caught doing an Allo Allo impression of Puel as Rene, with Appleton as Otto Flick. Need all the big lads we can get, really, I'll bet the Baggies have been practicing set pieces all week.

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kushiro

kushiro

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31 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

shinji doesn't do well against WBA, traditionally. :(

 

Wish Iborra hadn't got caught doing an Allo Allo impression of Puel as Rene, with Appleton as Otto Flick. Need all the big lads we can get, really, I'll bet the Baggies have been practicing set pieces all week.

Gotta disagree, mate. Last season at the Hawthorns he slipped that sweet ball through for Vardy's goal and we won 1-0. The one before that he didn't start - Ulloa played.

 

As for home games, in the 2-2 in the title season he had a great game (only game I saw live that season!). Last season he was subbed at half time after doing very little, but his partner that day was Slimani.  Then this season he didn't play - Iheanancho did.

 

So he's had one excellent game, one OK game with a key assist and one poor game with an unfamiliar partner. 

 

Weird thing this season is that many of the fixtures he has been left out of were his best performances last season.  Like West Ham away and Palace home.

 

Maybe Puel, who apparently aced the job interview because of his in depth knowledge of each Leicester player, hadn't really looked too closely at this. This may be simply because managers generally don't pay much attention to these kinds of things, at least not compared to fans, or indeed players themselves.

tiredclimb

tiredclimb

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9 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

shinji doesn't do well against WBA, traditionally. :(

 

Wish Iborra hadn't got caught doing an Allo Allo impression of Puel as Rene, with Appleton as Otto Flick. Need all the big lads we can get, really, I'll bet the Baggies have been practicing set pieces all week.

I think that's basically all they do to be fair. 

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Ric Flair

Ric Flair

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Iborra has to start, this will be a physical battle and we need the extra height, not to mention we've missed the Iborra of October - December in recent weeks. I'm bemused as to what he's done to cause this exile from the team since Christmas, it doesn't add up. He had an iffy game or two but then almost every single player of ours has done that and they don't get binned like this. He's much more of an all round player than James and his range of passing is needed currently.

 

I'd like to see Diabate start too but I think Okazaki is a shoe in now he's back fit and we have missed what he brings when he's on form, my only worry is prior to his injury I thought he'd been poor since Southampton away where he was unplayable. Let's hope he can find some form as we are a different team with Okazaki playing well, we just cause problems.

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Happy Fox

Happy Fox

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Kasper

 

Simpson

Dragovic

Maguire

Chilwell

 

Mahrez

Iborra

Ndidi

Diabate

 

Okazaki

Vardy

 

Subs: Albrighton, Silva, Fuchs, Morgan, James, Hamer and Iheanacho

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Babylon

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13 hours ago, vanity said:

OK, for the 4th straight game... hey Claude, let's try starting a balanced team. You started 8 defensive-oriented players last week. EIGHT. This is worse than it sounds, as Vardy tends to play as deep as possible. You played 4 attacking players (Gray/Mahrez/Vardy + Iborra) earlier in the season, but then you fell in love with starting 8 defensive players during the Huddersfield/@Chelsea/Watford stretch, where we managed that well. But teams adapted. We went back to four when Riyad was out against Swansea (1-1), but then we played 3 attacking players when we got routed by Man City, then we went with 3 the last two games and drastically underperformed. We are playing one of the worst teams in the league this weekend. The only way they have a shot is if we do not field enough attacking players. 

 

As an example, let's look at what screwed Silva last match. At the start of the game in the 4-3-3, it looked roughly like this when Silva took the ball past midfield (D for defensive-oriented player)

 

D                                 D

D     D                                           V

D     D       Silva               

D                                M 

 

What the actual F is there for Silva to do with the ball? He is facing a bank of defenders with (1) Mahrez doubled, or at least marked with a second man in his area who will approach when he looks to receive the ball, and (2) Vardy at least 25-30 yards away with the deepest CBs.

 

This leaves Silva in an almost impossible situation -- getting the ball deep into the opponent's third without much in the way of support. Albrighton can send in crosses, but he is a defensive-oriented player who is not adept as a partner for bringing the ball forward. Ndidi and James are not adept passers, and our backs who come forward don't have those skills -- sure, we love Maguire, but he is good in straight lines, using his size and a bit of trickery to shield the ball. But he is not dribbling through a defense, and he is not partnering with Silva to reliably get the ball into the opponent's final 1/3. Silva basically has to navigate 30 yards alone and find the right passing angle. We need a MINIMUM of FOUR attacking players on the field to start, preferably 5, though Iborra counts as either attacking or defensive, as he is adept in both roles during the same game.

 

At the moment, Puel's mindset is wrong. His instinct is to get defensive against inferior teams at home, which is what we watched the last couple weeks. But he needs to play for 3-1, not 1-0. We need to play more attacking players, not fewer. Play Iborra, Silva, Diabate, Mahrez, and Vardy together, and we will have a real attack. Defenses won't be able to double Mahrez or bracket Vardy with CBs. Defenses will need to spread out and take risks. Most of all, Puel needs to show he understand the shortcomings of the team he is fielding, and not point simply to the expected goal statistics.

 

I mean, of course we suck scoring. We are playing too many defensive players and sending them forward, when what we need are actual attacking players taking the shots. 

 

Naturally, if Shinji is back, we play Iborra with Ndidi and let him control the middle behind Diabate/Mahrez/Shinji/Vardy.

Would like you to explain why Albrighton is classed as defensive and Gray attacking, when Gray produces the square root of feck all and Albrighton has one less assist than Mahrez?

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UPinCarolina

UPinCarolina

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17 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Have a feeling that this will be the biggest league win of the season.

It does kind of feel like we're in need of busting a massive, metaphorical goal nut.

That image was a little more vivid than I was intending, but we'll go with it.

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Foxxed

Foxxed

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I hope we'll see Shinji for a least a half. I want to see Silva too. There's no way he needs more time to adapt. He should at least start to show his class. It would be great to see a u23 on the bench.

 

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jmono84

jmono84

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Kasper

Marc Drago Maguire Chillwell

Iborra

Silva Ndidi

Mahrez Nacho Gray

 

I’d love to see this be given a try, encourages full backs to get width and forward as well as our 2 CM’s... Iborra has the discipline and physical attributes to play the deep holding role. Nacho is better than Vardy playing deeper with back to goal, we need to get him playing regular to see If he’s our man for the next few seasons. Would even consider playing vards instead of Gray where he can use his pace and get behind teams.

justfoxes

justfoxes

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The baggies are in trouble this season seem to be dropping like a stone back to the championship, really hoping we don’t get Mud on our face with this one Though as we tend to get the teams when they are turning their woes around and losing By the odd goal.

 

If Puell get the selection  formation and tactics correct for this one we could end up walking away with a decent win the baggies really have trouble defending and scoring at the moment  it seems the baggies Have really lost their Mojo friends at work who are baggies fans think that we will really give them a hiding but we need to be on form we need to be better than we have been for the last few games we Need to be more clinical in front of goal we need to keep our passing direct and stop this stupid giving the ball away scenarios if we can sit tight hit them on the break I can’t see why we can’t be them.  

Heart says 0-5 Head says 1-1 let’s hope our lads turn up and turn the baggies over !!

 

                 Schmeichel 

 

 Simpson  Maguire Dragovic Fuchs

 

Mahrez.  Iborra Ndidi Albrighton 

 

                    Silva

                         Vardy

 

 

 

 

vanity

vanity

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4 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Kasper

 

Simpson

Dragovic

Maguire

Chilwell

 

Mahrez

Iborra

Ndidi

Diabate

 

Okazaki

Vardy

 

Subs: Albrighton, Silva, Fuchs, Morgan, James, Hamer and Iheanacho

I think this would work with either Iborra or Silva. If Shinji is back, it solves a lot of problems. Even Albrighton's crosses would be more effective with Shinji scurrying around below when the CBs are looking to the sky. Best of all, your lineup starts 5 attacking players, which would be a huge improvement over last game, where we really started only three attacking players (Silva, Vardy, Riyad). We will not be missing so many shots if we have attacking players taking them, rather than defensive players Puel sends fwd.

BACKO

BACKO

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KASPER

 

SIMPSON MAGUIRE DRAGOVIC FUCHS

NDIDI

SILVA      IBORA

MARHEZ                             DIABATE

VARDY

 

 

 

 

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copunk

copunk

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Team lost 5 on the bounce, won once under pardew in the league, look all but relegated, so you know what the scores gonna be don't you ? bad feeling about this, expect an 87th minute winner for them from a corner 

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