It's not Rudkins Fault

[foxinsocks]

8 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Other than the Silva fiasco, I actually think there we've been far better at our dealings. We've got deals done much earlier and quicker than when he first started. We now hear the club won't entertain buy out clauses. Strikes me very much as someone learning their trade and learning from their mistakes.

We'r a pl clubs with league one dof

[sylofox]

16 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

Wasn't a failure to 'do the deal' the whole reason for the Silva debacle in the first place?!?

 

He's doing the deals not choosing the players. Did you even bother to read my last sentence?

 

Where I said we can blame him for Silva.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

59 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You know what he does AF - he ingratiates himself with vichai and top and has their complete trust as their man on the footballing side of the club. On the commercial side they have full trust in Susan whelan. 

 

Its a a cultural thing added to the fact that they aren’t in Leicester most of the time. 

It's a joke, cultural or not. It's a joke. It's the most mis-leading job title in the history of the world.

[MrSpaM]

26 minutes ago, sylofox said:

He's doing the deals not choosing the players. Did you even bother to read my last sentence?

 

Where I said we can blame him for Silva.

Apologies I misread your post

[GH1]

Ranieri as new DOF

 

[StriderHiryu]

The 15/16 summer signings apart I think our transfer record is one of the best in the country. We’ve signed way less turd than most, including the big boys. Every team makes bad signings, just a shame so many of those were in one window. 

 

Ndidi

Maguire

Jakupovic

Nacho

Iborra

Silva

Dragovic

Diabate

 

 

None of these have been poor signings, even if some haven’t yet justified their price tags. I think we learned our lesson. 

Edited 17 May 2018 by StriderHiryu

[KFS]

Some deal maker landing Slimani and Musa for the prices we have. 'Rudkin's role is partly to convince the player to sign for City'.

 

Neither of those things would I leave up to a former youth team director, but that's just me...

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

5 hours ago, mozartfox said:

I was told by someone ITK it was Filbert.

And assisted by Cousin Dennis 

[foxfanazer]

6 hours ago, MattP said:

It's always baffled me people blame Rudkin for player recruitment when we have a guy called Eduardo Macia who is our "head of senior player recruitment".

 

There is a big clue in his job title.

Elaborate.....

[winteriscoming]

It's quite simple anything good happens at the club - down to the owners. 

Anything shit happens - rudkins fault. 

[gurru991]

Why so much hatred for Rudkin. He really is doing a decent job !! Has he made mistakes ? Sure he has but he has hit some home runs as well. When I see W Brom,Stoke & W Ham pooping the bed I think we are doing just fine. We really need a successful Summer & hopefully Puel will get a team he can work with but overall we are doing fine.

All Hail Our Saviour John Rudkin

[BenTheFox]

7 hours ago, MattP said:

It's always baffled me people blame Rudkin for player recruitment when we have a guy called Eduardo Macia who is our "head of senior player recruitment".

 

There is a big clue in his job title.

To be honest our recruitment this season was decent in my opinion. 

 

Maguire: One of the first names on the team sheet, decent defender and very comfortable on the ball. £17 million is a bargain for an English defender in their twenties these days. 

Iborra: Solid midfielder. Adds experience and quality to the squad. 

Dragovic: An astute loan signing who has always performed when played in his natural position. 

Iheanacho: Not gone as well as we'd have liked but is really starting to come good. Think he'll have a brilliant season next season. 

Silva: In many respects similar to Iheanacho. Been disappointing, but unfair to judge given the circumstances. At times we've seen glimpses of a quality player. The two games he's been much better. 

Jakupovic: Weird one , but I supose you have to say it's not worked out, though from what I've seen he's better than Hamer. 

Diabete: Very promising signs for a young player and was on the cheap. 

Edited 17 May 2018 by BenTheFox

[Albert]

8 hours ago, Babylon said:

Has anyone ever actually blamed him for picking players?

 

What they have blamed him for is struggling to get deals done early (he's getting better), letting people insert release clauses when most other people in this country don't, mucking up with Silva, over paying for players (Slimani had a release clause, we let it expire and then bid on him). Seemingly not planning ahead in terms of manager recruitment... I'm sure I've forgotten some.

Struggling to get deals done early - do u honestly think that is down to him rather than the selling clubs dragging out deals to either get a better price or waiting to have replacement?

Letting people insert release clauses - It’s common place in Europe & putting a £35m release clause in a total unknowns contract that we signed for pittance from the French 2nd division who didn’t even want to come in the first place is hardly a bad deal. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Mucking up Silva - Drinkwater deal (£35m by the way) didn’t go through til late. Was hardly his fault the last page of a huge document didn’t go through until 14sec after the deadline.

Over paying for players - it happens in Football! Maguire for £17m, Wilf for £15m, Kante for £8m etc evens it out.

 

Rudkin is an obvious scapegoat to everyone but do people think our owners would keep him if they thought he wasn’t up to the job?

[Webbo]

12 minutes ago, Albert said:

Struggling to get deals done early - do u honestly think that is down to him rather than the selling clubs dragging out deals to either get a better price or waiting to have replacement?

Letting people insert release clauses - It’s common place in Europe & putting a £35m release clause in a total unknowns contract that we signed for pittance from the French 2nd division who didn’t even want to come in the first place is hardly a bad deal. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Mucking up Silva - Drinkwater deal (£35m by the way) didn’t go through til late. Was hardly his fault the last page of a huge document didn’t go through until 14sec after the deadline.

Over paying for players - it happens in Football! Maguire for £17m, Wilf for £15m, Kante for £8m etc evens it out.

 

Rudkin is an obvious scapegoat to everyone but do people think our owners would keep him if they thought he wasn’t up to the job?

People need someone to hate.

[fuchsntf]

58 minutes ago, Albert said:

Struggling to get deals done early - do u honestly think that is down to him rather than the selling clubs dragging out deals to either get a better price or waiting to have replacement?

Letting people insert release clauses - It’s common place in Europe & putting a £35m release clause in a total unknowns contract that we signed for pittance from the French 2nd division who didn’t even want to come in the first place is hardly a bad deal. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Mucking up Silva - Drinkwater deal (£35m by the way) didn’t go through til late. Was hardly his fault the last page of a huge document didn’t go through until 14sec after the deadline.

Over paying for players - it happens in Football! Maguire for £17m, Wilf for £15m, Kante for £8m etc evens it out.

 

Rudkin is an obvious scapegoat to everyone but do people think our owners would keep him if they thought he wasn’t up to the job?

That Last Paragraph,doesnt that also Go for Mr Claude Puel.  too.??..!!

 

[jayfox26]

10 hours ago, davieG said:

How Leicester City identify and recruit transfer targets explained as summer window opens

The transfer window is now open, but City have been preparing for a busy summer for quite some time.

 

By

Rob TannerFootball Writer

12:00, 17 MAY 2018

UPDATED12:04, 17 MAY 2018

 

Leicester City manager Claude Puel has plenty of work to do this summer to refresh and rebuild his squad ahead of the new campaign.

The Frenchman will ultimately be judged on his transfer dealings during the window, which opened today, but the City boss is just at the forefront of a long and complex recruitment process.

 

City have an established transfer recruitment system which was set up by former head of recruitment Steve Walsh at Belvoir Drive, and is now overseen by Head of Senior Player Recruitment Eduardo Macia, who was appointed during Claudio Ranieri’s tenure as manager to replace Walsh when he left to join Everton.

A team of analysts pour over hours of video tapes of games from around the world to follow up initial recommendations from scouts employed on various continents and in designated countries.

The idea is to then give the head of recruitment as much analytical data and statistics to properly assess the player.

If the player is seen as a potential target, he will then be scouted in action as well, and the head of recruitment will be frequently flying abroad to watch the players of interest before deciding whether to recommend the individual to the manager.

 

The player's background is also checked, with information gathered about their lifestyle, personality and temperament.

When the players have been properly assessed, which can take months, a list of possible targets is then presented to the management team, who will then draw up their lists of preferred targets; plan A, plan B etc.

It will then be handed over to City’s director of football Jon Rudkin to do the deals, to negotiate with clubs and agents to try to get the preferred target.

Rudkin has been in the firing line of some supporters for recent failings in the transfer market when new arrivals have failed to have the impact expected, but Rudkin’s role isn’t to identify good players who will fit in at City, but to be the front man at the end of the deal.

Leicester City's director of football Jon Rudkin, pictured with vice-chairman Top, will be tasked with spending the money wisely (Image: Plumb Images/Leicester City FC via Getty Images)

It is a difficult role to negotiate, cajole and persuade City’s number one targets to join the club, and quite often City have not been able to land their desired player.

In fact, for every deal that is done in a window, there will be another two or three that were not possible, whether that is the other club do not want to do business or are asking too much money, or the player himself does not want to come.

That happened in the last summer window when City tried unsuccessfully to sign Jonny Evans and Gylfi Sigurdsson.

The summer before, when City had just won the title, City tried to get Troy Deeney from Watford and Michael Keane from Burnley, but the deals could not be done. Deeney signed a new contract at Vicarage Road, while Keane eventually joined Everton.

 

Sometimes it is a question of patience as situations can develop late in a window when players are willing to commit themselves or clubs holding out for more money decide to do business, or City decide to sell and must replace, as happened when Danny Drinkwater got his desired move to Chelsea and then had to move to sign Adrien Silva at the last minute, leaving little time for paperwork to be completed and the process concluded.

City will be keen to avoid that scenario this summer.

This does make a lot of sense and i reckon alot of us have been guilty of thinking signing players is alot easier than it actually is. First we have to negotiate with the club then with the player/agent so it is a very complex business and there is always a chance another club will be looking at the same players as us and try and under cut us. Looking at the players we were linked with after we won the league, I totally understand why we would go for gylfi, Evans and Keane but I've no idea why the champions of England at the time would want Deeney. I also don't know why we would want Musa either and it just shows that often we get it right (ndidi, Maguire) and sometimes we get it very wrong. Overall I'd say over the past 5 years or so, our recruitment overall has been as good as if not better than most teams outside the top 6 in the prem. Every team gets the odd gem and every team has also bought some absolute dross. 

[Dan]

Too many stupid little things have gone wrong under his tenure and for that eventually comes down to him. He seems to be largely unaccountable which is what gets me.

 

I'll say what I said before - if Puel goes, Rudkin has to go too. If Puel stays, then I'd like to hope that at least shows a conviction in himself from Rudkin, which I'm prepared to say he can stay too, although I'm still very unconvinced.

 

If Puel gets the boot I don't know how you can justify keeping Rudkin on. It reeks of poor organisation and being in the role he is, he should be the one to bring that.

[funkyrobot]

15 hours ago, davieG said:

How Leicester City identify and recruit transfer targets explained as summer window opens

The transfer window is now open, but City have been preparing for a busy summer for quite some time.

 

By

Rob TannerFootball Writer

12:00, 17 MAY 2018

UPDATED12:04, 17 MAY 2018

 

Leicester City manager Claude Puel has plenty of work to do this summer to refresh and rebuild his squad ahead of the new campaign.

The Frenchman will ultimately be judged on his transfer dealings during the window, which opened today, but the City boss is just at the forefront of a long and complex recruitment process.

 

City have an established transfer recruitment system which was set up by former head of recruitment Steve Walsh at Belvoir Drive, and is now overseen by Head of Senior Player Recruitment Eduardo Macia, who was appointed during Claudio Ranieri’s tenure as manager to replace Walsh when he left to join Everton.

A team of analysts pour over hours of video tapes of games from around the world to follow up initial recommendations from scouts employed on various continents and in designated countries.

The idea is to then give the head of recruitment as much analytical data and statistics to properly assess the player.

If the player is seen as a potential target, he will then be scouted in action as well, and the head of recruitment will be frequently flying abroad to watch the players of interest before deciding whether to recommend the individual to the manager.

 

The player's background is also checked, with information gathered about their lifestyle, personality and temperament.

When the players have been properly assessed, which can take months, a list of possible targets is then presented to the management team, who will then draw up their lists of preferred targets; plan A, plan B etc.

It will then be handed over to City’s director of football Jon Rudkin to do the deals, to negotiate with clubs and agents to try to get the preferred target.

Rudkin has been in the firing line of some supporters for recent failings in the transfer market when new arrivals have failed to have the impact expected, but Rudkin’s role isn’t to identify good players who will fit in at City, but to be the front man at the end of the deal.

Leicester City's director of football Jon Rudkin, pictured with vice-chairman Top, will be tasked with spending the money wisely (Image: Plumb Images/Leicester City FC via Getty Images)

It is a difficult role to negotiate, cajole and persuade City’s number one targets to join the club, and quite often City have not been able to land their desired player.

In fact, for every deal that is done in a window, there will be another two or three that were not possible, whether that is the other club do not want to do business or are asking too much money, or the player himself does not want to come.

That happened in the last summer window when City tried unsuccessfully to sign Jonny Evans and Gylfi Sigurdsson.

The summer before, when City had just won the title, City tried to get Troy Deeney from Watford and Michael Keane from Burnley, but the deals could not be done. Deeney signed a new contract at Vicarage Road, while Keane eventually joined Everton.

 

Sometimes it is a question of patience as situations can develop late in a window when players are willing to commit themselves or clubs holding out for more money decide to do business, or City decide to sell and must replace, as happened when Danny Drinkwater got his desired move to Chelsea and then had to move to sign Adrien Silva at the last minute, leaving little time for paperwork to be completed and the process concluded.

City will be keen to avoid that scenario this summer.

So the analysts poured over analysis of someone like papy Mendy and concluded something entirely different to the rest of us who saw his you tube ‘highlights’ and saw a bang average midfielder.

 

they poured over a players lifestyle but failed to notice Slimani’s poor attitude on the pitch or his sick note tendencies? 

 

Rudkin’s negotiations failed to get Silva in time. Rudkin Failed to get the vast majority of his Premier League established targets - Evans, Deeney, Sigurdsson, Keane. He failed to get any other RB to sign for us this season. 

 

Look at the big money failures - Hernandez, Zieler, Musa, Kapustka, Slimani, Mendy.

 

our recruitment has been pretty awful and despite this article indicating otherwise, Rudkin is very much part of this failure. 

[mozartfox]

8 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

To be honest our recruitment this season was decent in my opinion. 

 

Maguire: One of the first names on the team sheet, decent defender and very comfortable on the ball. £17 million is a bargain for an English defender in their twenties these days. 

Iborra: Solid midfielder. Adds experience and quality to the squad. 

Dragovic: An astute loan signing who has always performed when played in his natural position. 

Iheanacho: Not gone as well as we'd have liked but is really starting to come good. Think he'll have a brilliant season next season. 

Silva: In many respects similar to Iheanacho. Been disappointing, but unfair to judge given the circumstances. At times we've seen glimpses of a quality player. The two games he's been much better. 

Jakupovic: Weird one , but I supose you have to say it's not worked out, though from what I've seen he's better than Hamer. 

Diabete: Very promising signs for a young player and was on the cheap. 

 

Diabate was a Puel signing. What about last season?  Slim/Musa/Mendy/Kapi

[filthyfox]

12 hours ago, GH1 said:

Ranieri as new DOF

 

I think we have a well known Ostrich that could do that job well

[Babylon]

8 hours ago, Albert said:

Struggling to get deals done early - do u honestly think that is down to him rather than the selling clubs dragging out deals to either get a better price or waiting to have replacement?

Letting people insert release clauses - It’s common place in Europe & putting a £35m release clause in a total unknowns contract that we signed for pittance from the French 2nd division who didn’t even want to come in the first place is hardly a bad deal. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Mucking up Silva - Drinkwater deal (£35m by the way) didn’t go through til late. Was hardly his fault the last page of a huge document didn’t go through until 14sec after the deadline.

Over paying for players - it happens in Football! Maguire for £17m, Wilf for £15m, Kante for £8m etc evens it out.

 

Rudkin is an obvious scapegoat to everyone but do people think our owners would keep him if they thought he wasn’t up to the job?

Yes I think it was down to his inexperience   During his first transfer window.

 

Release fees aren't common in this country, the club will no longer allow them in players contracts. So that tells you everything you need to know about whether it was a mistake or not. If the lad was so unknown, you should be able to sign them without any sort of release.

 

Overpaying happens... yeah it does. But not often do clubs let release clauses expire and the bid on a player and end up paying more.

 

Drinkwater went through late because he was trying to rinse Chelsea, that's all well and good but that was only ever a good deal if we got ours done in time, we didn't.

 

As I said in my next post, he's learning on the job and their change in attitude to certain things shows they are learning the trade. So long as those inside think he's doing that, he'll keep his job.

Edited 18 May 2018 by Babylon

[volpeazzurro]

11 hours ago, KFS said:

Some deal maker landing Slimani and Musa for the prices we have. 'Rudkin's role is partly to convince the player to sign for City'.

 

Neither of those things would I leave up to a former youth team director, but that's just me...

Depends what his brief was ie whether those responsible for choosing them felt they were worth going all out for. He would have no doubt been given an upper figure to go up to for each one and get the best deal possible, not for him to question choice of player. 

 

Both strange signings. Slimani, a renowned number 9 who, if he had been played in the role he must have been scouted in, might have been a huge success. Did the manager have much say in this as Vardy was hardly going to have his nose pushed out? Wrong age to eventually replace Vardy too. Do scouts know things like tactically the team needs a number 10 not a 9. Were they qualified/experienced enough to believe he could be converted to another role?   Right player, wrong team and time.

 

Musa  also odd. How many of us saw his goals against Barcelona and thought we'd got another absolute steal and a real star on our hands. Yet if the powers that be had read some of the comments made by Moscow supporters the clues were there really, he had undoubted pace but failures with the more important aspects of his game (like being being able to run fast with an actual football at his feet would have being quite handy). If they are not good at certain things in a poor league then they are certainly going to get found out in an aggressive fast paced Premiership! Poor scouting somewhere along the line by someone. 

 

From what we know,  neither of these failures can be laid at Rudkins door. Even if we wince at the price paid, a lot depends upon what his brief was.

[norwichfox]

It's a joint fcuk up of which Rudkin is a major party to.

 

https://www.lcfc.com/teams/staff/performance-recruitment

 

The bit where it says Marcia "is responsible for working alongside the Manager and Director of football to identify prospective transfer targets. Under the management of the Director of Football he is accountable for setting up the first initial steps in the transfer strategy."

 

I also recall reading on LCFC site that Rudkin is responsible for "Everything Football" which makes everything his fault.....everything bad anyway

Edited 18 May 2018 by norwichfox

[Foxy-Lady]

10 hours ago, Albert said:

Struggling to get deals done early - do u honestly think that is down to him rather than the selling clubs dragging out deals to either get a better price or waiting to have replacement?

Letting people insert release clauses - It’s common place in Europe & putting a £35m release clause in a total unknowns contract that we signed for pittance from the French 2nd division who didn’t even want to come in the first place is hardly a bad deal. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Mucking up Silva - Drinkwater deal (£35m by the way) didn’t go through til late. Was hardly his fault the last page of a huge document didn’t go through until 14sec after the deadline.

Over paying for players - it happens in Football! Maguire for £17m, Wilf for £15m, Kante for £8m etc evens it out.

 

Rudkin is an obvious scapegoat to everyone but do people think our owners would keep him if they thought he wasn’t up to the job?

Yes, I do definitely do.

According to agents and players, he is one of the most difficult people to work with in football. Tries to micro-manage everything at LCFC and as a consequence, things don't get done when they should be getting done and deals/negotiations take longer than they ordinarily would at other clubs.

 

As a consequence of micro-management, the Silva deal was an accident waiting to happen and if it hadn't been the Silva deal, it would have happened eventually.

[Foxy-Lady]

19 hours ago, davieG said:

How Leicester City identify and recruit transfer targets explained as summer window opens

The transfer window is now open, but City have been preparing for a busy summer for quite some time.

 

By

Rob TannerFootball Writer

12:00, 17 MAY 2018

UPDATED12:04, 17 MAY 2018

 

Leicester City manager Claude Puel has plenty of work to do this summer to refresh and rebuild his squad ahead of the new campaign.

The Frenchman will ultimately be judged on his transfer dealings during the window, which opened today, but the City boss is just at the forefront of a long and complex recruitment process.

 

City have an established transfer recruitment system which was set up by former head of recruitment Steve Walsh at Belvoir Drive, and is now overseen by Head of Senior Player Recruitment Eduardo Macia, who was appointed during Claudio Ranieri’s tenure as manager to replace Walsh when he left to join Everton.

A team of analysts pour over hours of video tapes of games from around the world to follow up initial recommendations from scouts employed on various continents and in designated countries.

The idea is to then give the head of recruitment as much analytical data and statistics to properly assess the player.

If the player is seen as a potential target, he will then be scouted in action as well, and the head of recruitment will be frequently flying abroad to watch the players of interest before deciding whether to recommend the individual to the manager.

 

The player's background is also checked, with information gathered about their lifestyle, personality and temperament.

When the players have been properly assessed, which can take months, a list of possible targets is then presented to the management team, who will then draw up their lists of preferred targets; plan A, plan B etc.

It will then be handed over to City’s director of football Jon Rudkin to do the deals, to negotiate with clubs and agents to try to get the preferred target.

Rudkin has been in the firing line of some supporters for recent failings in the transfer market when new arrivals have failed to have the impact expected, but Rudkin’s role isn’t to identify good players who will fit in at City, but to be the front man at the end of the deal.

Leicester City's director of football Jon Rudkin, pictured with vice-chairman Top, will be tasked with spending the money wisely (Image: Plumb Images/Leicester City FC via Getty Images)

It is a difficult role to negotiate, cajole and persuade City’s number one targets to join the club, and quite often City have not been able to land their desired player.

In fact, for every deal that is done in a window, there will be another two or three that were not possible, whether that is the other club do not want to do business or are asking too much money, or the player himself does not want to come.

That happened in the last summer window when City tried unsuccessfully to sign Jonny Evans and Gylfi Sigurdsson.

The summer before, when City had just won the title, City tried to get Troy Deeney from Watford and Michael Keane from Burnley, but the deals could not be done. Deeney signed a new contract at Vicarage Road, while Keane eventually joined Everton.

 

Sometimes it is a question of patience as situations can develop late in a window when players are willing to commit themselves or clubs holding out for more money decide to do business, or City decide to sell and must replace, as happened when Danny Drinkwater got his desired move to Chelsea and then had to move to sign Adrien Silva at the last minute, leaving little time for paperwork to be completed and the process concluded.

City will be keen to avoid that scenario this summer.

is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the Mercury and other LCFC social media have now just become a propaganda mouthpiece for the club? 

Any area of the club which becomes an issue for the fans and where there is growing discontent, suddenly appears in the local media with a glossy makeover, usually attempting to shift the blame elsewhere.  Coincidence?  I think not.... 

 

Much the same thing happened at Man Utd many years ago when Fergie placed embargos on any journos who wrote anything adverse about Utd whether it was true or false.  "Its either our way or NO way" was the clear message

Its quite common in sport today and most notably in 'local' press who are so heavily reliant on good relationships with their local club to give them the same (or supposedly better) level of insight as the national press

 

Certain journos (ie Tanner & Peters) just seem to trot out whatever narrative/message the club and players want to portray without any form of balance just to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be at LCFC.

 

Knowing what I know from 'within' , I cant even bring myself to read half of the stuff that's written by Tanner and Peters anymore as it simply lacks credibility and balance......and was probably drafted for them by the club/players/Rudkin depending on the message.