UPinCarolina Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 2 minutes ago, Mendi said: Some of the players don't see eye to eye, its not the last of matter trust me. I will give him time but dont be shocked if the media have a other story on him. Then you get rid of the players. They are employees paid to do a job - why should this line of work be so different from any other? If you refuse to do what is asked of you at work, you will find yourself moving on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaggertvsWise Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 1 minute ago, UPinCarolina said: Then you get rid of the players. They are employees paid to do a job - why should this line of work be so different from any other? If you refuse to do what is asked of you at work, you will find yourself moving on. Sadly because it isn’t any other line of work. You have a team full of superstars on huge contracts, heavy investment and egos. The easiest thing is to get rid of the manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 Just now, TaggertvsWise said: Sadly because it isn’t any other line of work. You have a team full of superstars on huge contracts, heavy investment and egos. The easiest thing is to get rid of the manager. Plus, the way our players are treated and respected by Vichai and Top has allowed them to be heard. Rightly or wrongly the players views are taken on board by our directors. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 1 hour ago, Corky said: I see the positives of Howe but he regularly gets thumped by the top six and will throw in an absolute shocker (4-0 defeat at Burnley). I think we'd be good to watch but can't help feeling we'd be too open against the top teams. Not in a million years would we have got the last 2 results with Howe in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Strokes Posted 26 December 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 26 December 2018 These are the golden years as a Leicester supporter, just ****ing enjoy them lads and stop the bitching. 19 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispin LA Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 Puel needs to stick with what the player's enjoy most - counterattacking football. And none of this boring sideways backwards possession football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 How long have we moaned about our managers not having "a plan B". Puel has shown on several occasions that he's willing to change it around to get a desired effect. Now, given, it hasn't always worked, but then nothing is certain, especially in football, which is what makes it fun. It seems when we get a manager that sorts something out (no plan B, no desire, no defence...), we find something else to beat them up with. I think that these two wins should give the players the confidence to play the kind of football Puel has talked about, but not always translated to the pitch. Maybe the players didn't believe in him, or indeed themselves? Now however, maybe those shackles have dropped and we will kick on. COYB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 1 minute ago, Crispin LA said: Puel needs to stick with what the player's enjoy most - counterattacking football. And none of this boring sideways backwards possession football OK. So how are we going to go about counterattacking teams that sit back and defend? Please do tell. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 (edited) Puel wouldn’t be the first manager in the history of football to hang on to his Job.... I remember Alex Ferguson being one game away from Losing his Job at Man United, kept them in the cup and we all know how that all ended up - probbly the most successful manager in british football EVER. there ARE definitely problems behind the scenes, however you’d be amazed how easily 3 points can make those issues seem a bit smaller... it can completely change peoples mindsets.... like Vardy suddenly managing to make two starts in a row again haha Edited 26 December 2018 by MPH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 2 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: How long have we moaned about our managers not having "a plan B". Puel has shown on several occasions that he's willing to change it around to get a desired effect. Now, given, it hasn't always worked, but then nothing is certain, especially in football, which is what makes it fun. It seems when we get a manager that sorts something out (no plan B, no desire, no defence...), we find something else to beat them up with. I think that these two wins should give the players the confidence to play the kind of football Puel has talked about, but not always translated to the pitch. Maybe the players didn't believe in him, or indeed themselves? Now however, maybe those shackles have dropped and we will kick on. COYB I really hope so. It’s been his plan A that’s been the problem for me. If he can get performances out of the players then I’m all for him staying. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said: What’s my point? I’m replying to a post ? we shouldn’t view winning these two games against big teams in one week as something that’s been coming, for a start off our last two games against them have been resounding defeats and in general we have struggled against them. One of our wins being against an arsenal side who chucked away games left right and center last season Nor should we say it’s just because it’s against teams that attack us as let’s see what happens in the next few games. Reminds why I don’t get involved with these conversations now all you get is someone from either the “IN”or “OUT” camp trying to start pointless arguements. Its not about in or out. Its about criticising where due and giving credit where due Its not that these wins have "been coming". You'd have to be a clairvoyant/lunatic to think that. Its not that we've turned a corner. Its that the "out camp" say we're not a competitive side for our squad Dont pretend to be on the fence. You are implying these wins are indicative of nothing. Im not saying they are indicative of what will happen in the next game or of Claude's genius. I'm just saying they show that the rubbishing of Claude is exaggerated nonsense Nothing in or out about that Edited 26 December 2018 by AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabuch Posted 26 December 2018 Share Posted 26 December 2018 I really hope we can close these Puel out threads soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 24 minutes ago, Crispin LA said: Puel needs to stick with what the player's enjoy most - counterattacking football. And none of this boring sideways backwards possession football That's all well and good saying that, but what are we meant to do when Cardiff turn up on Saturday and sit eleven men behind the ball all inside their own half? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLittleBigMan Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 Provided he keeps winning I reckon he'll be ok. But if that tw*t EVER puts a foot wrong he needs to go. I've been saying this the whole time. If he wins more than he loses i'll stick with him, i'll even stick with him if he wins and draws more than he loses, but by god, if he loses more than he wins, and he loses more than he draws and wins - there will be bloody trouble I can tell you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabuch Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 The puexiters seem to have always been more angry about the boring football rather than the results. (they listened to Southampton fans too). I don't know, but I would imagine it is pretty hard to change a style (that has been sussed because you won the league with it) and keep winning, and looking good. But this current side, with its youth and experience, is starting to look pretty and good. Let's not ruin a potentially good thing. JUST GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THE MAN WHO MANAGES IT. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 5 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Its not about in or out. Its about criticising where due and giving credit where due Its not that these wins have "been coming". You'd have to be a clairvoyant/lunatic to think that. Its not that we've turned a corner. Its that the "out camp" say we're not a competitive side for our squad Dont pretend to be on the fence. You are implying these wins are indicative of nothing. Im not saying they are indicative of what will happen in the next game or of Claude's genius. I'm just saying they show that the rubbishing of Claude is exaggerated nonsense Nothing in or out about that Indicive of nothing. No. that is absolutely where you are wrong and if you have any kind of comprehension skills (which are not on display at the moment and as such I’d appreciate it if you reframed from trying to tell me what I am implying as you clearly have no idea) I suggest you go back and read my previous posts again. I’ve been saying the attitude of the players and the relationship with the manager as well as the general ethos of the playing style seems much improved in the past week. You’ve butted into a conversation in which in which another poster was suggesting we always do well against the big teams so the last two games is either no big deal (if you want him out) or clearly a result of the master plan (if you want him in) both of which are utter horse shit, we’ve picked off wenger on his way out and put in one good performance, at home, against spurs. aside from that we’ve failed to win in ten games. These are two landmark wins and two brilliant performances and should end all debate about about his future till we have a final league position to judge him on. But let’s not pretend Claude hasn’t taking on board things that have been said to him over the last ten days. I don’t know how you’ve not got this from my previous posts, but it seems some internal issues at the club have been sorted this week and everyone involved with what’s going on on the pitch seems to be much more on the same page. if you go back and look at my posts at HT during both games you will see I’ve stated while both games were even, even if we go on to lose this, this is the best I’ve seen us play in some time and this is very encouraging. For the record I am not in,out, or on the fence. I watch the team I get behind them and have better things to do than argue every single week about a mangers future as I come from an era where a manager is only really under pressure when he’s seriously under performing in either the long or short term and where he is only deemed to be a success when he’s delivered some sort of legacy. So listening to you lot squabble and watch you act like some sort of footballing oracle this week when we’ve beat Man City and watch some other dick head shoot you down next week when we don’t win against Cardiff is of no interest to me and it’s frankly boring. That’s is why I barley post in here anymore. I merley posted as the transformation in the team was quite fasincating but then Babylon has seen it all along. Although Babylon’s very good at seeing things after they happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 I have to be honest it’s really difficult listening to the descriptions of ‘Puel out people’, ‘people who hate Puel’ etc... Its not black and white / them and us. I’ve never had a problem with the man, I’ve had a problem over the last 12 months with the footballing product inclusive of set up and selection. If he can start setting the team up in a fashion which gets performances out of players, win or lose I’ll be okay - I just struggle to watch or get behind 80% of the football we’ve played over the past 12 months. This week demonstrated we are capable of great performances. Let’s be honest - it’s taken a bit of time. I’d like to see that flexibility in set up, hunger, movement, creativity and passing continue. If it doesn’t he will end up losing his job at some point for the same reasons he did at Southampton, rightly or wrongly. My main concern has always been that we will lose key personnel if Puel persists in playing a brand of football that doesn’t allow them to meet their personal ambitions, develop and play to their strengths. Today we saw some real passion, effort and determination to get to the ball first... Something has changed - there’s obviously some movement behind the scenes but I’ll embrace any change that results in performances like this. Not everybody that called for his head lacks patience, dislikes the man, resents giving youth a chance, or doesn’t understand that we have to transition into a team that can play on the front foot and not just counter attack, or that Vardy can’t be played full time on the shoulder of the opposition... Puel has done some great stuff, bought a couple of gems and has had some good results and the opposite can be said of all those things too. I think the key in all this is attempting to be moderate when we write - balanced. All people that vote one way or another do so for a host of reasons and shouldn’t be all lumped together as one entity and have a set of beliefs attributed to them like a label. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 Credit where its due, he’s engineered 2 brilliant and unexpected results. Today particularly, it was his tactical change soon after their goal that enabled us to take the game to them. Well, that’s my opinion anyway. Quite how anyone can still be calling for his sacking is beyond me, at least wait until the next run of poor results. If there is one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabuch Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: These are two landmark wins and two brilliant performances and should end all debate about about his future till we have a final league position to judge him on. But let’s not pretend Claude hasn’t taking on board things that have been said to him over the last ten days. Thank **** for Manwell Pablo and his ilk. Edited 27 December 2018 by trabuch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 18 minutes ago, trabuch said: The puexiters seem to have always been more angry about the boring football rather than the results. (they listened to Southampton fans too). I don't know, but I would imagine it is pretty hard to change a style (that has been sussed because you won the league with it) and keep winning, and looking good. But this current side, with its youth and experience, is starting to look pretty and good. Let's not ruin a potentially good thing. JUST GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND THE MAN WHO MANAGES IT. 100%. It also shouldn't be underestimated what a big job this was either. To try and revamp a side who not so long ago achieved what was seemingly impossible is far from an easy task, especially when there are supposed player power issues. The back four that won the league were all way over 30 and all of them bar Fuchs were limited footballers. We'd spent over £70 million trying to upgrade on Okazaki to discover that the best man in that role was still Okazaki, he inherited a team that at times looked like they couldn't string three passes together. I see some saying that Claude 'hasn't moved the club forward', I beg to differ. Just look at how much he's lowered the average of the squad and as a result, how much value has been added to the squad. He's laid some strong foundations here. You'd have to be blind not to see it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabuch Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: 100%. It also shouldn't be underestimated what a big job this was either. To try and revamp a side who not so long ago achieved what was seemingly impossible is far from an easy task, especially when there are supposed player power issues. The back four that won the league were all way over 30 and all of them bar Fuchs were limited footballers. We'd spent over £70 million trying to upgrade on Okazaki to discover that the best man in that role was still Okazaki, he inherited a team that at times looked like they couldn't string three passes together. I see some saying that Claude 'hasn't moved the club forward', I beg to differ. Just look at how much he's lowered the average of the squad and as a result, how much value has been added to the squad. He's laid some strong foundations here. You'd have to be blind not to see it. If I owned the club - I would be very happy with what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 11 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: I have to be honest it’s really difficult listening to the descriptions of ‘Puel out people’, ‘people who hate Puel’ etc... Its not black and white / them and us. I’ve never had a problem with the man, I’ve had a problem over the last 12 months with the footballing product inclusive of set up and selection. If he can start setting the team up in a fashion which gets performances out of players, win or lose I’ll be okay - I just struggle to watch or get behind 80% of the football we’ve played over the past 12 months. This week demonstrated we are capable of great performances. Let’s be honest - it’s taken a bit of time. I’d like to see that flexibility in set up, hunger, movement, creativity and passing continue. If it doesn’t he will end up losing his job at some point for the same reasons he did at Southampton, rightly or wrongly. My main concern has always been that we will lose key personnel if Puel persists in playing a brand of football that doesn’t allow them to meet their personal ambitions, develop and play to their strengths. Today we saw some real passion, effort and determination to get to the ball first... Something has changed - there’s obviously some movement behind the scenes but I’ll embrace any change that results in performances like this. Not everybody that called for his head lacks patience, dislikes the man, resents giving youth a chance, or doesn’t understand that we have to transition into a team that can play on the front foot and not just counter attack, or that Vardy can’t be played full time on the shoulder of the opposition... Puel has done some great stuff, bought a couple of gems and has had some good results and the opposite can be said of all those things too. I think the key in all this is attempting to be moderate when we write - balanced. All people that vote one way or another do so for a host of reasons and shouldn’t be all lumped together as one entity and have a set of beliefs attributed to them like a label. I think both sides have some extreme posters, I don’t put you in that category. I often find myself agreeing with most of your opinion on him but not your verdict. I think most of us supporters (of Puel) can see the negatives and the more pragmatic outers can see some of the positives, we just feel the light at the end of the tunnel is getting nearer, whereas you perhaps don’t. Its fine that we disagree and I don’t think either group should be bitter or show one-upmanship, however some of the people who have seemingly been happy to see us lose just to get him out, can get in the bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 If you can't enjoy the last two games then what's the point? Just stop moaning FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Indicive of nothing. No. that is absolutely where you are wrong and if you have any kind of comprehension skills (which are not on display at the moment and as such I’d appreciate it if you reframed from trying to tell me what I am implying as you clearly have no idea) I suggest you go back and read my previous posts again. I’ve been saying the attitude of the players and the relationship with the manager as well as the general ethos of the playing style seems much improved in the past week. You’ve butted into a conversation in which in which another poster was suggesting we always do well against the big teams so the last two games is either no big deal (if you want him out) or clearly a result of the master plan (if you want him in) both of which are utter horse shit, we’ve picked off wenger on his way out and put in one good performance, at home, against spurs. aside from that we’ve failed to win in ten games. These are two landmark wins and two brilliant performances and should end all debate about about his future till we have a final league position to judge him on. But let’s not pretend Claude hasn’t taking on board things that have been said to him over the last ten days. I don’t know how you’ve not got this from my previous posts, but it seems some internal issues at the club have been sorted this week and everyone involved with what’s going on on the pitch seems to be much more on the same page. if you go back and look at my posts at HT during both games you will see I’ve stated while both games were even, even if we go on to lose this, this is the best I’ve seen us play in some time and this is very encouraging. For the record I am not in,out, or on the fence. I watch the team I get behind them and have better things to do than argue every single week about a mangers future as I come from an era where a manager is only really under pressure when he’s seriously under performing in either the long or short term and where he is only deemed to be a success when he’s delivered some sort of legacy. So listening to you lot squabble and watch you act like some sort of footballing oracle this week when we’ve beat Man City and watch some other dick head shoot you down next week when we don’t win against Cardiff is of no interest to me and it’s frankly boring. That’s is why I barley post in here anymore. I merley posted as the transformation in the team was quite fasincating but then Babylon has seen it all along. Although Babylon’s very good at seeing things after they happen. I think its quite speculative to say that Claude has taken things on board these last few days and that explains these wins. You cant specify anything that indicates that. 451/433 isnt the formation that suits Vardy. I dont think we changed our style particularly. Changed the players a bit though. I dont know if the attitude of the players has changed except that we've won 2 games, but then I havent thought their attitide has been poor And I think you havent quite comprehended Babylon's point. He' not saying every time we played big teams we played well. He is saying that we have done well against big teams under Puel and this isnt the first time. Which means the success of the last 2 games isnt alien to Puel's tenure Edited 27 December 2018 by AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 27 December 2018 Share Posted 27 December 2018 (edited) Danny Murphy was praising the tactical genius of Claude tonight - moving Madders inside to take advantage of the vacuum in MF created by the absence of Fernandinho, but why are we starting the most naturally talented No.10 that we've seen at the club in years on the flank? - particularly given the promise of his evolving link play and harmony with Vardy. I recall away against Newcastle when a similar instruction came from the bench. Maddison mouthed and gestured the number ten back in confirmation - then a broad grin spread to his face. I can still picture him beaming. Made me laugh today how he shoved the note containing the instructions down his shorts after he had read and relayed it. I thought that the decision to introduce Simmo to push up Ricky was as bold as it was astute by Claude and the result was richly deserved. How he sets up next Saturday against Warnock will be most interesting. Edited 27 December 2018 by Line-X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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