Puel In / Out Poll (12/01/19)

[davieG]

SHOCK SCENES! HARRY REDKNAPP’S ODDS SLASHED FROM 200/1 TO 11/2 TO REPLACE CLAUDE PUEL AT LEICESTER CITY
JACK KITSON  -  08:49, 18 Jan 2019

Claude Puel may still be in the Leicester City job, but that hasn’t stopped frenzied speculation linking a number of gaffers with the former Premier League champions.

Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers has been hotly tipped to take over should a vacancy arise in the East Midlands, with the ex-Liverpool boss currently as short as 4/9 in the next Leicester City manager market (Paddy Power).

Another manager in employment, Burnley’s Sean Dyche, has been propelled into the mix at 4/1, while the newest addition to the Job Centre, David Wagner, is in the frame at 5/1 to make a swift return to the dugout following his departure from rock-bottom Huddersfield earlier this week.

However, the market has been rocked by the sudden presence of a certain Harry Redknapp who has abruptly burst into the top echelons of the betting.

Redknapp, aka The King of the Jungle, has been SLASHED from a gargantuan 200/1 outsider to an 11/2 major contender.

The veteran gaffer began his managerial career way back in the early 1980s with Bournemouth, before going on to take charge of West Ham, Portsmouth (twice), with a spell at their south coast rivals Southampton sandwiched in between.

He enjoyed most success during his four-year spell at Tottenham, while he’s since overseen QPR, Jordan, and most recently Birmingham with whom he saved from Championship relegation at the end of the 2016/17 season, only to lose his job in the early stages of the following campaign - this remains his last job in management.

More recently, Redknapp caught the attention of the wider English public a couple of months ago when he was crowned the winner of the 2018 edition of I’m a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!

It’s worth remembering that Puel remains the Foxes boss, for now at least, but should his side slump to a defeat at Wolves this weekend his position would come under further scrutiny, and - who knows? - Redknapp could soon be cropping up at the King Power Stadium in the near future in what would be one of the more surprising managerial appointments of the decade.

 

https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/shock-scenes-harry-redknapp-s-odds-slashed-from-200-1-to-11-2-to-replace-claude-puel-at-leicester-city

[mozartfox]

This mornings shopping list:

 

200 Aspirins

4 Razor Blades

10 meters of rope

4 bottles of JD

A 4 liter can of Petrol and a box of matches.

 

That will do it for me after Harry is announced.

Edited 19 January 2019 by mozartfox

[Bunyip]

And why not ? let's face it it's a jungle out there.

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

SHOCK SCENES! HARRY REDKNAPP’S ODDS SLASHED FROM 200/1 TO 11/2 TO REPLACE CLAUDE PUEL AT LEICESTER CITY
JACK KITSON  -  08:49, 18 Jan 2019

Claude Puel may still be in the Leicester City job, but that hasn’t stopped frenzied speculation linking a number of gaffers with the former Premier League champions.

Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers has been hotly tipped to take over should a vacancy arise in the East Midlands, with the ex-Liverpool boss currently as short as 4/9 in the next Leicester City manager market (Paddy Power).

Another manager in employment, Burnley’s Sean Dyche, has been propelled into the mix at 4/1, while the newest addition to the Job Centre, David Wagner, is in the frame at 5/1 to make a swift return to the dugout following his departure from rock-bottom Huddersfield earlier this week.

However, the market has been rocked by the sudden presence of a certain Harry Redknapp who has abruptly burst into the top echelons of the betting.

Redknapp, aka The King of the Jungle, has been SLASHED from a gargantuan 200/1 outsider to an 11/2 major contender.

The veteran gaffer began his managerial career way back in the early 1980s with Bournemouth, before going on to take charge of West Ham, Portsmouth (twice), with a spell at their south coast rivals Southampton sandwiched in between.

He enjoyed most success during his four-year spell at Tottenham, while he’s since overseen QPR, Jordan, and most recently Birmingham with whom he saved from Championship relegation at the end of the 2016/17 season, only to lose his job in the early stages of the following campaign - this remains his last job in management.

More recently, Redknapp caught the attention of the wider English public a couple of months ago when he was crowned the winner of the 2018 edition of I’m a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!

It’s worth remembering that Puel remains the Foxes boss, for now at least, but should his side slump to a defeat at Wolves this weekend his position would come under further scrutiny, and - who knows? - Redknapp could soon be cropping up at the King Power Stadium in the near future in what would be one of the more surprising managerial appointments of the decade.

 

https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/shock-scenes-harry-redknapp-s-odds-slashed-from-200-1-to-11-2-to-replace-claude-puel-at-leicester-city

So someone’s stuck 50p on Harry. 

 

It’s a mug’s game betting on this market at the moment and the bookies know it but you can’t blame them for trying to generate free cash for themselves. 

[elvisfmcfly]

Harry Redknapp? Give your head a wobble,oh wait! 

[Pete from the USA]

On 12/01/2019 at 12:05, Finnegan said:

 

So why don't you wait until the next win and start a poll?

 

For the record, I think both the poll and all of the dramatic grand standing threads after every result are actually shit. 

 

I think they're shit when we win and shit when we lose because right now this place is just full of two teams of absolutist retards that see no shades of gray and are just taking it in turns after every game to go HA I TOLD YOU SO. 

 

The Puel In mob that were insufferably smug after the Man City and Everton wins are just as awful as the Puel Out mob that are insufferably smug after games like today and Cardiff. 

 

The place is more polarised than it was even when Pearson nearly took us down. 

 

But like it or loathe it, that is what foxestalk is. Its a (relative) free for all. There's no iq test or decent poster test before you get to give an opinion or start a thread, else all of the "football intellectuals" that think they're some kind of genius for not being "knee jerk" and wanting Puel out would be be extremely surprised to find their posting rights removed along with all of the idiots starting these polls every loss. 

 

But the bottom line is, every single one of them is Leicester, every single one of them has a right to an opinion and every single one of them is here to voice it. 

 

There's no constructive posts, there's no purpose to post other than sharing. But getting pissed off with people for being pissed off after a loss or being happy after a win is just ****ing stupid. Nobody is forcing anyone to read this shit. Log off, go play with your kids, take the dog for a walk, go see your mates. And leave those that want to bitch on here bitch. 

 

 

If you think this is bad try reading the posts in the Facebook group. 

 

[foxy boxing]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

SHOCK SCENES! HARRY REDKNAPP’S ODDS SLASHED FROM 200/1 TO 11/2 TO REPLACE CLAUDE PUEL AT LEICESTER CITY
JACK KITSON  -  08:49, 18 Jan 2019

Claude Puel may still be in the Leicester City job, but that hasn’t stopped frenzied speculation linking a number of gaffers with the former Premier League champions.

Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers has been hotly tipped to take over should a vacancy arise in the East Midlands, with the ex-Liverpool boss currently as short as 4/9 in the next Leicester City manager market (Paddy Power).

Another manager in employment, Burnley’s Sean Dyche, has been propelled into the mix at 4/1, while the newest addition to the Job Centre, David Wagner, is in the frame at 5/1 to make a swift return to the dugout following his departure from rock-bottom Huddersfield earlier this week.

However, the market has been rocked by the sudden presence of a certain Harry Redknapp who has abruptly burst into the top echelons of the betting.

Redknapp, aka The King of the Jungle, has been SLASHED from a gargantuan 200/1 outsider to an 11/2 major contender.

The veteran gaffer began his managerial career way back in the early 1980s with Bournemouth, before going on to take charge of West Ham, Portsmouth (twice), with a spell at their south coast rivals Southampton sandwiched in between.

He enjoyed most success during his four-year spell at Tottenham, while he’s since overseen QPR, Jordan, and most recently Birmingham with whom he saved from Championship relegation at the end of the 2016/17 season, only to lose his job in the early stages of the following campaign - this remains his last job in management.

More recently, Redknapp caught the attention of the wider English public a couple of months ago when he was crowned the winner of the 2018 edition of I’m a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!

It’s worth remembering that Puel remains the Foxes boss, for now at least, but should his side slump to a defeat at Wolves this weekend his position would come under further scrutiny, and - who knows? - Redknapp could soon be cropping up at the King Power Stadium in the near future in what would be one of the more surprising managerial appointments of the decade.

 

https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/shock-scenes-harry-redknapp-s-odds-slashed-from-200-1-to-11-2-to-replace-claude-puel-at-leicester-city

Just because he did well in the jungle doesn't mean he can tame these foxes!

[Finnegan]

9 minutes ago, Pete from the USA said:

If you think this is bad try reading the posts in the Facebook group. 

 

 

I value what's left of my sanity too much for that. 

[gw_leics772]

I'm still puel in but wavered heavily after the man city cup defeat on penalties.

 

But **** me, he makes it difficult for himself and for me to support him so i do understand why people want him gone.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/claude-puel-fires-leicester-transfer-13873551

 

re interest in Maguire and Chilwell

"Boss Puel, whose side are eighth in the Premier League, is adamant they are going no-where in January.

But the Frenchman admits it could be different in the summer – especially if Leicester fail to get into Europe."

 

Which is all very sensible and kind of obvious when you think about it, BUT if you wanted europe, why didnt you try throigh teh ****ing league cup where 3 games would have took you there, by winning the league cup, and without the long qualifiers, instead of resting your players for (seemingly unwinnable) games against Man City and Chelsea. 

 

The wins brought me back from the brink as they were great, but only just, and this comment really boils my piss. 

 

We would have had more chance of winning with a rested first team (resting against palace) and getting to "your stated aim" of Europe, if you didn't piss around and treat it like a training match.

 

Just hanging on in there, mostly due to the over the top animosity and negativity, and clinging to my holier than thou support of puel. But ****ing hell it aint easy

 

[norwichfox]

ffs

[TonyN11]

Harry? No, not as manager... but as a right winger? probably lost a bit of pace but he was pretty useful

Edited 18 January 2019 by TonyN11
striving for perfection

[sishades]

If this comes to pass I swear I will personally drive to the KP and set fire to it.And pledge allegiance to Forest. And wear a red shirt while ravishing the wife (not mine, someone elses)!!

[sishades]

On 15/01/2019 at 12:15, ThaiFox said:

As I put in the 'Who Next thread'

 

We need a manager with these 10 qualities:

 

1) Must have won a league title.

 

2) Must have managed a team in a domestic cup finals, a European trophy win, and a champions league S/F.

 

3) Never been relegated or in the relegation zone.

 

4) Must replace aging players with youth.

 

5) Must improve those same youth players dramatically.

 

6) Must get several of those youth players selected by the national team.

 

7) Must do all this whilst losing your best ever player.

 

8) Must cope with all this whilst having to deal with the tragic loss of a much loved owner.

 

9) Must have finished in the top 10 of the P/L in each season.

 

10) And deal with having little respect, support or appreciation from fans.

 

Now if ONLY we could find such a man.

 

But I doubt there is anyone out there who will come to Leicester City with these qualifications.

Ok I give up ...who then?

[oxford blue]

Article in the Guardian below. I have highlighted his statement when appointed - it seems the only time he wants to counter attack is palying better teams who are constantly pressing. It would seem teams know how to play us at home. . 

 

 

Puel remains the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his job, which may come as a surprise to those whose knowledge of Leicester begins and ends with their position in the table: eighth. The assumption that tends to follow is that any disgruntled Leicester supporters have ideas above their station, fuelled by that 5,000-1 triumph three years ago, and now expect to challenge for the title every season.

The truth is rather different and has more to do with what they are paying to watch. To put it bluntly – and many Southampton supporters will probably be nodding their heads when they get to the end of this sentence – the football at home has been dull under Puel on far too many occasions to remember.

As for the results, it is hard to sugarcoat statistics that show Puel’s record is worse than the man who was sacked to make way for him. Craig Shakespeare averaged 1.38 points per game, Leicester scored more goals than they conceded while he was in charge and they won as many games as they lost. Puel averages 1.35 points per game, Leicester have lost more matches than they have won under him and their goal difference is negative.

Bearing in mind that Shakespeare was told to clear his desk after eight months because the club felt “a change is necessary to keep the club moving forward – consistent with the long-term expectations of our supporters, board and owners”, it is little wonder Puel’s position continues to be the subject of so much scrutiny. Where, say his critics, is the progress?

An alternative take would be – and there are fans who remain firmly behind Puel – that the 54-year-old should be cut some slack. Those with a foot in the Frenchman’s camp say he deserves credit for giving youngsters a platform to thrive – Ben Chilwell in particular – that the loss of Riyad Mahrez to Manchester City last summer should not be overlooked, and that allowances ought to be made for the emotional fallout in the wake of the helicopter crash in October that claimed the lives of five people, including Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, Leicester’s owner.

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The reality is that Leicester were unconvincing on the pitch before that tragedy. Indeed, Puel was straying into slightly awkward territory last week when he rounded on his critics and suggested that people had short memories when it comes to what the club has been through. “It was a fantastic feeling to move on and respect the memory of Vichai and his dream,” he said. “Now we have some things and words about finishing seventh or eighth, it is crazy. People forget quickly.”

The focus on the league position is a red herring – Puel did not lose his job at Southampton because they finished eighth; it was the style of football, the lack of goals – only 41 in 38 matches – and his failure to galvanise the fanbase and players that did for him. The similarities at Leicester are striking.

Leicester have scored only 13 goals at the King Power Stadium all season, they have lost three of their past four home matches, including back-to-back defeats against relegation strugglers Cardiff and Southampton, and were dumped out of the FA Cup by Newport County a fortnight ago. Puel during his Leicester City press conference on Thursday. Photograph: Plumb Images/Leicester City via Getty Images

Arguably as worrying as all the facts and figures is that even now, 15 months after his appointment, it is hard to discern any clear identity in the way that Leicester play under Puel. On the day he was presented as manager, Puel talked about how it was “difficult for Leicester to have been playing for three or four years with a counterattack and just this system. It’s important to have other answers … my work is to build the players up to have these options and solutions.” Yet if it was Puel’s intention to turn Leicester into more of a possession-based team at times, or at the very least make the players comfortable with an alternative approach, there is no evidence it has worked.

For Southampton’s visit last Saturday, Puel started with three defensive midfielders against a team in the relegation zone. Despite playing with an extra man for 45 minutes and enjoying 72% possession, Leicester struggled to create chances and resorted to pumping hopeful crosses into the area that played into the hands of Jannik Vestergaard and Jan Bednarek. Remarkably, those two Southampton defenders headed the ball clear as many times (14) as Jamie Vardy touched it in 90 minutes. Forget the superhero outfit that Leicester’s leading scorer wore to training on Thursday; a stepladder would have been more use against Southampton.

The way that match panned out was predictable in many respects. Leicester’s win ratio under Puel is as low as 29% (W9 D9 L13) when they have more of the ball than their opponents. It climbs to as high as 50% (W10 D3 L7) when they surrender possession, which is why facing Chelsea and Manchester City in the space of four days around Christmas suited them. That is not to take anything away from those results – hugely impressive 1-0 and 2-1 victories respectively – but more to illustrate how playing on the counterattack remains Leicester’s best hope of picking up points.

A game at Wolverhampton Wanderers on Saturday is a blessing for that reason and it would be no surprise if Leicester get a positive result. Yet even if that turns out to be the case, the debate about Puel’s future is unlikely to go away and it would be naive for anyone to think Leicester’s board have not been asking questions of their own. It feels as though it has got to the stage where a parting of the ways is inevitable in the summer at the latest, when the potential availability of Brendan Rodgers and Rafael Benítez alters the managerial landscape. Perhaps the bigger question is whether the bookies will be forced to pay out before then.

 

[davieG]

39 minutes ago, oxford blue said:

Article in the Guardian below. I have highlighted his statement when appointed - it seems the only time he wants to counter attack is palying better teams who are constantly pressing. It would seem teams know how to play us at home. . 

 

 

Puel remains the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his job, which may come as a surprise to those whose knowledge of Leicester begins and ends with their position in the table: eighth. The assumption that tends to follow is that any disgruntled Leicester supporters have ideas above their station, fuelled by that 5,000-1 triumph three years ago, and now expect to challenge for the title every season.

 

The truth is rather different and has more to do with what they are paying to watch. To put it bluntly – and many Southampton supporters will probably be nodding their heads when they get to the end of this sentence – the football at home has been dull under Puel on far too many occasions to remember.

As for the results, it is hard to sugarcoat statistics that show Puel’s record is worse than the man who was sacked to make way for him. Craig Shakespeare averaged 1.38 points per game, Leicester scored more goals than they conceded while he was in charge and they won as many games as they lost. Puel averages 1.35 points per game, Leicester have lost more matches than they have won under him and their goal difference is negative.

Bearing in mind that Shakespeare was told to clear his desk after eight months because the club felt “a change is necessary to keep the club moving forward – consistent with the long-term expectations of our supporters, board and owners”, it is little wonder Puel’s position continues to be the subject of so much scrutiny. Where, say his critics, is the progress?

An alternative take would be – and there are fans who remain firmly behind Puel – that the 54-year-old should be cut some slack. Those with a foot in the Frenchman’s camp say he deserves credit for giving youngsters a platform to thrive – Ben Chilwell in particular – that the loss of Riyad Mahrez to Manchester City last summer should not be overlooked, and that allowances ought to be made for the emotional fallout in the wake of the helicopter crash in October that claimed the lives of five people, including Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, Leicester’s owner.

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The reality is that Leicester were unconvincing on the pitch before that tragedy. Indeed, Puel was straying into slightly awkward territory last week when he rounded on his critics and suggested that people had short memories when it comes to what the club has been through. “It was a fantastic feeling to move on and respect the memory of Vichai and his dream,” he said. “Now we have some things and words about finishing seventh or eighth, it is crazy. People forget quickly.”

The focus on the league position is a red herring – Puel did not lose his job at Southampton because they finished eighth; it was the style of football, the lack of goals – only 41 in 38 matches – and his failure to galvanise the fanbase and players that did for him. The similarities at Leicester are striking.

Leicester have scored only 13 goals at the King Power Stadium all season, they have lost three of their past four home matches, including back-to-back defeats against relegation strugglers Cardiff and Southampton, and were dumped out of the FA Cup by Newport County a fortnight ago. Puel during his Leicester City press conference on Thursday. Photograph: Plumb Images/Leicester City via Getty Images

Arguably as worrying as all the facts and figures is that even now, 15 months after his appointment, it is hard to discern any clear identity in the way that Leicester play under Puel. On the day he was presented as manager, Puel talked about how it was “difficult for Leicester to have been playing for three or four years with a counterattack and just this system. It’s important to have other answers … my work is to build the players up to have these options and solutions.” Yet if it was Puel’s intention to turn Leicester into more of a possession-based team at times, or at the very least make the players comfortable with an alternative approach, there is no evidence it has worked.

For Southampton’s visit last Saturday, Puel started with three defensive midfielders against a team in the relegation zone. Despite playing with an extra man for 45 minutes and enjoying 72% possession, Leicester struggled to create chances and resorted to pumping hopeful crosses into the area that played into the hands of Jannik Vestergaard and Jan Bednarek. Remarkably, those two Southampton defenders headed the ball clear as many times (14) as Jamie Vardy touched it in 90 minutes. Forget the superhero outfit that Leicester’s leading scorer wore to training on Thursday; a stepladder would have been more use against Southampton.

The way that match panned out was predictable in many respects. Leicester’s win ratio under Puel is as low as 29% (W9 D9 L13) when they have more of the ball than their opponents. It climbs to as high as 50% (W10 D3 L7) when they surrender possession, which is why facing Chelsea and Manchester City in the space of four days around Christmas suited them. That is not to take anything away from those results – hugely impressive 1-0 and 2-1 victories respectively – but more to illustrate how playing on the counterattack remains Leicester’s best hope of picking up points.

A game at Wolverhampton Wanderers on Saturday is a blessing for that reason and it would be no surprise if Leicester get a positive result. Yet even if that turns out to be the case, the debate about Puel’s future is unlikely to go away and it would be naive for anyone to think Leicester’s board have not been asking questions of their own. It feels as though it has got to the stage where a parting of the ways is inevitable in the summer at the latest, when the potential availability of Brendan Rodgers and Rafael Benítez alters the managerial landscape. Perhaps the bigger question is whether the bookies will be forced to pay out before then.

 

As I said in here  

 

 

It's hard to play counter attacking football when the opposition have set up to do the same that's why it's only happening against the better teams.

 

I think the fact that against Southampton we included 6 players aged 22 or under - technically if we'd had one more player in that age group, the squad would have been eligible to play in PL2 should be taken into consideration when considering progress.

 

[l444ry]

Gotta laugh but Redknapp is/was in a different league to Puel where Premier League is concerned. Kid yourselves if you want to.

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Gotta laugh but Redknapp is/was in a different league to Puel where Premier League is concerned. Kid yourselves if you want to.

Depends what league you are talking worked wonders at QPR, Southampton and his work eventually led Pompey to ruin 

[l444ry]

14 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Depends what league you are talking worked wonders at QPR, Southampton and his work eventually led Pompey to ruin 

Selective as usual. Promoted QPR and Pompey. Go ask a Pompey fan if they agree with your assessment of Harry. 

Edited 18 January 2019 by l444ry

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

4 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Record stands up at Tottenham and West Ham as well. Just defending him. Not the idiot that many like to portray and then bandwagon jump. 

Did pretty well in the jungle as well to be fair

[fuchsntf]

Reddy...was a decent manager,and was always good for the media,journalists lapped it up...

His team's played good,sometimes great football,he also at the hammers brought quite a few youngsters through!!!

His CV,in his job is hell of a lot better,and achieved more than wise-cracking fans could get anywhere near...!!!

 

But he aint coming,just another make-believe story,cooked up by brain dead journalist...!! Ditto to any city fan who even courted the idea...

In the ifs and buts..slot...:-

If he had become the England manager...wouldn't  of been the worse of descisions..

If before the Pearson-era,or let's say 12-15yrs ago he had become the city manager.....he would of got his plaudits and his critics,but we can't pin medals

or crosses on something that never came to pass...!!!

But now....???.!!

 

 

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Selective as usual. Promoted QPR and Pompey. Go ask a Pompey fan if they agree with your assessment of Harry. 

I have I used to work with one. His financial gambling has cost the club a lot. QPR he did a very similar act. There’s quite a pattern with Redknapp in that every club he manages somehow gets in financial trouble shortly after he leaves. His West Ham/Tottenham work is bit like using O’Neill time at Leicester representative of the manager he is now.  

[Fox92]

32 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Selective as usual. Promoted QPR and Pompey. Go ask a Pompey fan if they agree with your assessment of Harry. 

I wouldn't want him gambling with us financially. QPR, Portsmouth, Southampton and now Birmingham all have financial trouble after Redknapp's stint. 

[l444ry]

4 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I have I used to work with one. His financial gambling has cost the club a lot. QPR he did a very similar act. There’s quite a pattern with Redknapp in that every club he manages somehow gets in financial trouble shortly after he leaves. His West Ham/Tottenham work is bit like using O’Neill time at Leicester representative of the manager he is now.  

Yeah, if you say so.

[l444ry]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I wouldn't want him gambling with us financially. QPR, Portsmouth, Southampton and now Birmingham all have financial trouble after Redknapp's stint. 

Hardly Redknapp to blame. 

[The Doctor]

Imagine denying that Redknapp is financially irresponsible. 4 clubs ending deep in the shit immediately after he's been there is a rather bad pattern.

 

I'd rather give Nigel Worthington a bell and see what he's up to than have that conman in charge.