Corona Virus

[EastAnglianFox]

I have previously posted some of the big numbers I believe but it certainly wasn't out of some morbid obsession with them.

 

Its as simple as if I read it as breaking news and nobody else has posted the days numbers then ill add it on here.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Mad numbers! Hopefully it starts slowing down by Friday. I personally think that the lockdown should have happened sooner, but I'm not an expert.

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Or that theres no news source yet putting them out and they need to be searched for by sick weird people who get excited about them. 

Sky news alert sent them two hours ago.

[Jon the Hat]

There is a delay from when we locked down, but also from the reporting - it takes a few days for some parts of the NHS to certify and report deaths.  Still you would hope by this time next week numbers are coming down consistently.  

[Guesty]

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

To be fair no one at ANY point has said that nurses or other clinicians are low skilled workers.  On the contrary they are the one of the key positions in any points based visa system.

You are correct. All I remembered was it was a threshold of £30,000 lowered to £25,600. I didn't realise they had another specialist category since nurses don't make that much. The first two articles I clicked on to double check included nurses as low-skilled. I should have researched more. Maybe this pandemic has shown they should be paid more - along with care workers. But that's a debate for another time.

 

I'll edit my original post.

Edited 8 April 2020 by Guesty

[FoxesDeb]

Does anyone really think that we could have done things any differently? It's probably only about a fortnight since I was arguing with people on here who still thought it was perfectly fine to go to the park despite being advised not to, and other people refusing to listen to the facts put in front of them showing that this was never going to be 'just the same as the flu'. 

People are idiots, they refused to follow the polite requests and they still are refusing to follow the actual rules. 

The population imo is the biggest culprit in all of this. Too many stupid people. 

[brucey]

There seems to be a disproportionate trend in races affected. Don't know how much confounding factors (like diabetes) contribute to this. The UK ICU data posted earlier also show a trend towards increased severity in racial minorities. Same seen in the USA with African Americans. 

 

 

[HankMarvin]

Millwall 'to top up player wages to 100%' as they are set to become the first Championship club to furlough their ENTIRE playing squad
 

a scummy move 

[TheUltimateWinner]

Some promising slides in today's press conference.

[swanlee]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

That's actually the one scientifically accurate thing in there.  I couldn't believe it either so I looked it up and phones actually can be used to detect radiation, something to do with the camera's light sensitivity.

Oh golly .... I'm bored ..... as I was actually on her Instagram earlier today as well and checked out that video. 

 

She's a complete nut jobbie ain't she!?

 

Lockdown Britain ...... I've got time to waste ...... but why am I wasting my time on her and her fookin' Geiger counter cell phone.

 

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

Presumably the best course of action would have been a total lockdown from January until a vaccine is found.  It's not practical though.  The lights would go out, the internet the post and news is essential as is the food industry incorporating retail, manufacture, import, supply chain etc.  Of course we need the NHS, the army and the police.  There is no way of stopping this but to manage it so as to not overwhelm the NHS, but I agree, we need to ask again whether we went too late and for them to explain why.  We were told that we need to reach a certain point in the curve to have the maximum impact, I still have faith in the experts and that they know what they're talking about.

 

At some point a decision will have to be made about easing the restrictions when the curve falls, balancing the risk against the livelihoods and well-being of the population at large in the knowledge that people will die.  I don't envy anyone that task.

 

 

 

add to the fact that we can't even manage a 2 week lockdown without issues let alone 4mths+

[Guest ttfn]

8 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Millwall 'to top up player wages to 100%' as they are set to become the first Championship club to furlough their ENTIRE playing squad
 

a scummy move 

Is it?

 

They’re not Liverpool or Spurs, they’re essentially a small-medium sized local company with limited means at the best of times.

 

Like it or not, the players are of absolutely no use to the club right now and money they can save in the next 2-3 months might be the difference between the club going under and surviving. I don’t see why they shouldn’t be furloughing, I’m surprised more haven’t. 

[Countryfox]

As soon as the questions from the press bit comes on during the daily update I have to turn it off ..   first question from Laura Cvntsberg of the BBC ...  “Do you accept there is a trade off between protecting people’s health and protecting people’s jobs ? ..... “ ...     course there is you stupid bint !!!!!          
 

 

 

 

Edited 8 April 2020 by Countryfox

[TheUltimateWinner]

Slides from today's press conference found here:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/878711/COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides_-_08_04_2020.pdf

[martyn]

3 hours ago, Desabafar said:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/

 

With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19

I saw a post similar to this on Medium the other day. 

 

Took it with a huge huge pinch of salt, but it was suggesting Covid-19 interfered with haemoglobin function in the blood, i.e low oxygen saturation and associated lung damage were more indicative of a lack of haemoglobin function, rather than owing the lung damage itself. Same article claimed that chloroquine potentially works as a treatment because that works by stopping the malaria parasite attacking haemoglobin, so could also protect from the virus in a similar way. Good news for Trump if that theory turned out to be accurate.

 

The % of cases going onto a ventilator with Covid-19 and not surviving is relatively high.

Edited 8 April 2020 by martyn

[HankMarvin]

46 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Is it?

 

They’re not Liverpool or Spurs, they’re essentially a small-medium sized local company with limited means at the best of times.

 

Like it or not, the players are of absolutely no use to the club right now and money they can save in the next 2-3 months might be the difference between the club going under and surviving. I don’t see why they shouldn’t be furloughing, I’m surprised more haven’t. 

Well the club are topping up the wages to a 100%

 

So instead of doing that they could’ve asked the players to take a pay cut as they are doing fook all, that way they wouldn’t need the approx 60K a month from the government.

 

The whole purpose of the furlough scheme was to stop companies laying people off.

 

If Millwall can afford to be paying 100%  of wages they clearly don’t need the funding.

 

for example a Jiri Skalak 64k a month 

 

so that takes care of one player 

 

That’s not exactly going to stop them going under, when that’s just one players wage covered for the next 3 months.

 

If things were predicted to be that tight surely the club wouldn’t be announcing that they are topping up wages 100% for all playing staff.

 

Edited 8 April 2020 by HankMarvin

[nnfox]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Actually been working today and just checked online for the first time 

 

the number of deaths recorded is the similar to the worst days that Italy and Spain have suffered and only USA have recorded higher ..... thats a terrible reflection on the dither and delay in calling a lockdown of pubs, clubs and non essential shops.

 

think back three weeks and each day that week we were expecting a lockdown to be announced - the public were ready for it ..... those missed days are now haunting us .......

 

 

 

2 hours ago, foxile5 said:

I was very clear about this - that lockdown was necessary - and was accused of political point scoring. Certain members were desperate to defend BJ and the government. 

 

Disgraceful there wasn't quicker action and even more Disgraceful people felt the need to defend the current regime, suggesting that it wasn't political. 

These types of "I told you so" comments are disappointing.  Stats are stats and can be spun in many ways.  For example, taking the numbers of deaths from the second death we are 1,500 behind Italy at the same time and over 6,000 behind Spain. 

 

We've been told not to read too much into daily stats, sometimes there are delays in the reporting for whatever reason.

 

The lockdown was coming. Lots of people had already started staying inside.  If the official lockdown had come a day earlier or two days earlier would the figures today been much better? I doubt it.  Would going early with the lockdown mean that we would be in lockdown for longer? Maybe.  Maybe not. Would an early lockdown been so effective? Maybe. Maybe not.  We'll never know.

 

To claim today's high number is due to failings around decisions made or not made at a specific time are a little simplistic in my opinion.

 

It's too early to say how big any mistakes made have been.  Once this is all over, those who want to keep score should look at the percentage of country's populations have been killed.  Then we will see who has performed less worse.  There are no winners.

[bmt]

2 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

That's actually the one scientifically accurate thing in there.  I couldn't believe it either so I looked it up and phones actually can be used to detect radiation, something to do with the camera's light sensitivity.

Ah really, I saw that the app isn’t very good but presumed that meant it wasn’t possible. Mad though!

[bmt]

2 hours ago, Markyblue said:

We have been told all along the government was advised when to implement certain measures for the greatest effect but they made the mistake of not contacting you obviously. 

Or listened to the wrong advice. There was a clamouring from scientists who said do it severely and asap, so we can still criticise their response.

 

listening to the wrong advice is bad leadership 

[brucey]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

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Edited 8 April 2020 by brucey

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Expecting the lockdown to be extended to the end of April, after that I think they’ll be a relaxation of the rules. 
It cannot go on indefinitely as the economy will be wrecked (if it isn’t already) and people will need to get back to work.

Really difficult times for the government, tough choices ahead that’s for sure.

[Facecloth]

Heard on the traffic news a road on the way into Devon has been blocked by an overturned caravan, which had a convoy of caravans behind it. All heading to Devon and Cornwall for the weekend. Idiots. Theses people should be sent home, fined and have points on their licence.

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

Heard on the traffic news a road on the way into Devon has been blocked by an overturned caravan, which had a convoy of caravans behind it. All heading to Devon and Cornwall for the weekend. Idiots. Theses people should be sent home, fined and have points on their licence.

Do pikeys have licenses ?? ....    

[ealingfox]

Have they switched from reporting in terms of the numbers from the UK as a whole to just the England numbers? Getting a bit confused by that.

[Guest Markyblue]

8 minutes ago, bmt said:

Or listened to the wrong advice. There was a clamouring from scientists who said do it severely and asap, so we can still criticise their response.

 

listening to the wrong advice is bad leadership 

So how do you know its the wrong advice.?