Corona Virus

[bovril]

Dunno about anybody but I am shattered at the moment, probably from looking at a screen all day. 

[fuchsntf]

Thought this might interest some..

 

11:22 The EU's competition chief, Margrethe Vestager, has said the Commission will launch legal action against around a dozen member states that have allegedly breached EU law by compelling citizens to accept vouchers rather than cash refunds for canceled flights amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Vestager said that tour operators and airlines could run into financial difficulties because of reimbursement obligations but insisted on protecting the rights of consumers.

"The starting point is that European consumers have a right to reimbursement. Period," Vestager said.

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[Nalis]

Just now, bovril said:

Dunno about anybody but I am shattered at the moment, probably from looking at a screen all day. 

Same, Zoom fatigue is definitely a thing too.

 

Go to bed at the same time as pre lockdown but get up an hour later and all...

 

Also think not walking around an office or on public transport might be a factor too.

 

It's also easier to get distracted with this place 

[fuchsntf]

25 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

Some cotton, some elastic and a needle and thread, or sewing machine is all that's needed.

 

Surely there's plenty of companies in Leicestershire alone that can mass produce.

 

My 10 year old daughter is currently able to produce 20 or so a day on her own. So it can't be that difficult. Her aim is to produce enough for the family, neighbours and any school friends and families that require them.

My wife did 6.. just for us 2..

My four kids..all over 23yrs old,with family,did 2 each for their close families.

All masks washable..There is no mask on general sale that gives any better protection..wearing one,just helps the small but very important % game..

It's not Rocket science..!!

[Bayfox]

8 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

My wife did 6.. just for us 2..

My four kids..all over 23yrs old,with family,did 2 each for their close families.

All masks washable..There is no mask on general sale that gives any better protection..wearing one,just helps the small but very important % game..

It's not Rocket science..!!

Yeah think people are getting to hung up on quality. If you use double thickness cotton you can make versions with pockets for disposable filters.

 

But even just basic cotton ones that can be washed, stop the droplets entering your mouth or nose and also stop anyone with the virus but unaware, spreading them outside their own mask.

 

Also told keeping placing in the freezer inside a freezer bag overnight helps as well. At least that's what co-op funeral staff are being told.

Edited 13 May 2020 by Bayfox

[StanSP]

50 minutes ago, Beechey said:

 

I think there's some people that would find that too positive

 

[Jon the Hat]

59 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

According to BBC news the police have no powers to enforce social distancing in England.

They never have, it is guidance not a legal matter.  What they can do is decide you don't have a reasonble cause to be outside or in a gthering and fine you if you refuse to go home.  I suspect if they felt you were being silly they would do that.

[Jon the Hat]

16 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I think there's some people that would find that too positive

 

Like Piers Morgan who tweeted about the large number yesterday compared to the weekend figures, ignoring the fact that every week Tuesday is high, and especially so after a public holiday.  Twat.

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Like Piers Morgan who tweeted about the large number yesterday compared to the weekend figures, ignoring the fact that every week Tuesday is high, and especially so after a public holiday.  Twat.

Yeah I know

[Lionator]

Excess deaths as presented by the financial times compared to historical averages (the measure the government think it's ok to judge us on).

 

Belgium up by 66%.

UK up by 61%.

Spain up by 60%.

Italy up by 55%.

France up by 31%.

Sweden up by 29%.

US up by 19%.

Germany up by 6%

Israel and Norway no change (!!)

 

Italy is an interesting statistic as Bergamo has a 500% increase on historical average whereas Sicily actually has 5% less deaths than usual, so I guess that shows that it might not even be worth measuring this on a national level.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

 

 

[Sampson]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

It is worth pointing out that this is not the time of year we typically get a big virus outbreak, that is more normally in Dec-Jan, where spikes like this were seen in 98-99 and 99-00 when no one really mentioned it at all.  Obviously that is compared to the impact here including lockdown, but that assume lockdown actually works, which is up for debate vs say social distancing alone.

Just seen this. Sorry for not replying earlier.

 

To be fair, that is a very good point. The virus is playing out at a time of year when flu rates are usually well down so the spike looks much more pronounced and makes the numbers look scarier.

 

How it compares to a typical flu season in November-February might be a bit more of an interesting comparison.

 

I believe 2012 flu deaths actually had a bigger spike than swine flu yet never got mentioned for example.

Edited 13 May 2020 by Sampson

[Trumpet]

2 hours ago, Nalis said:

Same, Zoom fatigue is definitely a thing too.

 

Go to bed at the same time as pre lockdown but get up an hour later and all...

 

Also think not walking around an office or on public transport might be a factor too.

 

It's also easier to get distracted with this place 

I used to walk over to the shops on my lunch break. My lunch breaks now are hanging the washing out, showering because I’d woken up too late to do so in the morning and if I’m lucky the dishwasher might be ready for it’s unload.

 

Aside from that and the lack of movement (probably about 500 steps a day) - I’m quite enjoying working from home. I just need to move a bit more.

[Nalis]

12 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Excess deaths as presented by the financial times compared to historical averages (the measure the government think it's ok to judge us on).

 

Belgium up by 66%.

UK up by 61%.

Spain up by 60%.

Italy up by 55%.

France up by 31%.

Sweden up by 29%.

US up by 19%.

Germany up by 6%

Israel and Norway no change (!!)

 

Italy is an interesting statistic as Bergamo has a 500% increase on historical average whereas Sicily actually has 5% less deaths than usual, so I guess that shows that it might not even be worth measuring this on a national level.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

 

 

Think historical levels were massively underreported by almost everyone to stop the public panicking at the time.

 

Not saying that justifies it at all, just an observation.

[Beechey]

28 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Excess deaths as presented by the financial times compared to historical averages (the measure the government think it's ok to judge us on).

 

Belgium up by 66%.

UK up by 61%.

Spain up by 60%.

Italy up by 55%.

France up by 31%.

Sweden up by 29%.

US up by 19%.

Germany up by 6%

Israel and Norway no change (!!)

 

Italy is an interesting statistic as Bergamo has a 500% increase on historical average whereas Sicily actually has 5% less deaths than usual, so I guess that shows that it might not even be worth measuring this on a national level.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

 

 

Careful though,  most of those country’s data (on the FT) are about 2 weeks out of date compared to the U.K. 

Edited 13 May 2020 by Beechey

[Costock_Fox]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

Dunno about anybody but I am shattered at the moment, probably from looking at a screen all day. 

I’m screwed when I have to go back into the office, I wake up 10 mins before my shift starts and use the next 45 minutes while waking up to check emails.

 

If backfires when one of my team calls and makes small talk about the weather when I’ve not even opened the curtains.

[BKLFox]

10 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I’m screwed when I have to go back into the office, I wake up 10 mins before my shift starts and use the next 45 minutes while waking up to check emails.

 

If backfires when one of my team calls and makes small talk about the weather when I’ve not even opened the curtains.

i read that to quick & saw an n in waking & thought fair play...

[Costock_Fox]

1 minute ago, BKLFox said:

i read that to quick & saw an n in waking & thought fair play...

I thought that went without saying.

[oxford blue]

3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

They never have, it is guidance not a legal matter.  What they can do is decide you don't have a reasonble cause to be outside

Yes, too many seem to be seeing the guidance and law as the same. So it was the guidance (not sure if it was ever published officially?) was you could exercise outside once for an hour; the law just referred to it being a reasonable excuse to exercise outside the home (either alone or with others in the same household). No reference in the regulations to time outside or number of times you could exercise. 

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Just seen this. Sorry for not replying earlier.

 

To be fair, that is a very good point. The virus is playing out at a time of year when flu rates are usually well down so the spike looks much more pronounced and makes the numbers look scarier.

 

How it compares to a typical flu season in November-February might be a bit more of an interesting comparison.

 

I believe 2012 flu deaths actually had a bigger spike than swine flu yet never got mentioned for example.

Confused

Covid didn't replace flu.

If Covid had hit in Nov-Feb then the spikes would look even scarier. In fact there would probably have been more deaths due to the NHS not being able to deal with the numbers of sick.

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

My wife did 6.. just for us 2..

My four kids..all over 23yrs old,with family,did 2 each for their close families.

All masks washable..There is no mask on general sale that gives any better protection..wearing one,just helps the small but very important % game..

It's not Rocket science..!!

don’t you have pharmacies and corner shops over there? All the ones around here have disposable 3 ply which absolutely do offer better protection 

 

3 hours ago, Bayfox said:

Yeah think people are getting to hung up on quality. If you use double thickness cotton you can make versions with pockets for disposable filters.

 

But even just basic cotton ones that can be washed, stop the droplets entering your mouth or nose and also stop anyone with the virus but unaware, spreading them outside their own mask.

 

Also told keeping placing in the freezer inside a freezer bag overnight helps as well. At least that's what co-op funeral staff are being told.

That’s a much better option than just a few layers of cotton 

 

droplets really can be very microscopic........ I don’t believe that a couple layers of cotton will help if your in the wrong place at the wrong time 

 

but they are generally going to protect others rather than you.  But if everyone wears one ............

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

I thought that went without saying.

Now that will be an issue when your back in the office, trying to fit your 45minutes in 

 

[Wymsey]

Imagine being a funeral director during this period..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52653383/coronavirus-the-funeral-director-storing-hundreds-of-bodies-in-the-crisis

[fuchsntf]

39 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

don’t you have pharmacies and corner shops over there? All the ones around here have disposable 3 ply which absolutely do offer better protection 

 

That’s a much better option than just a few layers of cotton 

 

droplets really can be very microscopic........ I don’t believe that a couple layers of cotton will help if your in the wrong place at the wrong time 

 

but they are generally going to protect others rather than you.  But if everyone wears one ............

my wife and kids make 2-4 levels or Ply Not just one piece of Material stuck on elastic....Its the German-air we use our initiative...

Like I said its Not Rocket science...

Plus the prices they  are asking at some chemists,are well OTT,i also have FFP2 +3,but I belong to the vulnerable..Endangered species,

So I Save them for hospital,clinic or Specialist visits....or better still for catapults,when I am in a Silly distructive mood...

 

I want to be The First to hold up a bank,with clinical facemask as cover,and another facemask as my weapon...

.Its just fking difficult trying to get my wheelchair,through the revolving doors,or getting the Timing right,with Automatic Sliding doors....

Then spring over the curbs...But One day....!!!

Edited 13 May 2020 by fuchsntf

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, fuchsntf said:

my wife and kids make 2-4 levels or Ply Not just one piece of Material stuck on elastic....Its the German-air we use our initiative...

Like I said its Not Rocket science...

Plus the prices they  are asking at some chemists,are well OTT, We also have FFP2 +3,but I belong to the vulnerable..Endangered species,

So I Save them for hospital,clinic or Specialist visits....or better still for catapults,when I am in a Silly distructive mood...

 

I want to be The First to hold up a bank,with clinical facemask as cover,and another facemask as my weapon...

.Its just fking difficult trying to get my wheelchair,through the revolving doors,or getting the Timing right,with Automatic Sliding doors....

Then spring over the curbs...But One day....!!!

The issue we have here is that there are literally tens of millions of the cheap disposable masks available in the wholesale market - you can get off eBay and amazon for around 70p and small shops charge anything between 60p and a quid.  The type II or III are more expensive and they are needed by health professionals.  By specifying that the public should not buy any surgical type masks, the govt has potentially made things more difficult and increased transmission (especially in the short term).  They should have just stated that masks under £1 each are ok to buy as they won’t be medical quality. 
 

there really is no shortage in production out of China on the cheaper type I masks.  gowns and nitrile gloves are an issue but not these cheap masks. 

[joachim1965]

48 minutes ago, oxford blue said:

Yes, too many seem to be seeing the guidance and law as the same. So it was the guidance (not sure if it was ever published officially?) was you could exercise outside once for an hour; the law just referred to it being a reasonable excuse to exercise outside the home (either alone or with others in the same household). No reference in the regulations to time outside or number of times you could exercise. 

Excersise was never limited to an hour.