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Sampson

Sampson

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4 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

Also, anyone who puts Morgan ahead of Huth is straight trippin’, boo.

I feel the other way. And can never understand why people put Huth ahead of Morgan.

 

There's a bizarre historical revisionism over Morgan where people like to say Huth was much better.

 

Morgam was universally accepted to be the much the better defender than Huth in the title winning season at the time. Huth had the Hollywood moments in the title winning season vs ManCity and Spurs and helped change our fortunes during the Great escape season (though Albrighton did almost just as much in turning our form around in the great escape and never gets as much as the credit).

 

But Huth had a very dodgy start to the title winning season and his poor form was a big reason as to why our defence was so iffy during the early parts of that season.

 

Whereas Morgan just didn't make mistakes that season and blocked and stopped everything and his positioning was always perfect. Been following Leicester since the early 70s and Morgan in our title winning season was hands down the best individual season of any defender I've ever seen at Leicester. Evans and Soyunchu were approaching it in the first half of last season but both were very poor in the final few months of last season after our collapse.

 

It was pretty much widely accepted Morgan was the much better than Huth that season. I have no idea why people seem to want to change this through historical revisionism. It seemed to happen during a period of bad form in the following season when people wanted to try and put Morgan down.

 

Check the player ratings on here for example at the time and there was actually a large difference between Morgan and Huth. Am also including Soyuncu and Evans from last season in the sidebar here. But you can see clearly that Morgan's performances were rated much much higher at the time to the point where it's way more past the point than just one guy's opinion.

 

 

 

Morgan 15/16 - 7.15

Huth 15/16 - 6.88

Soyuncu 19/20 - 6.8

Evans 19/20 - 6.7

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LVFox

LVFox

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                    Kasper

Ricardo Morgan Huth Fuchs

                    Ndidi

            Kante     Tielemans

Mahrez                       Maddison

                  Vardy

RumbleFox

RumbleFox

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11 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I feel the other way. And can never understand why people put Huth ahead of Morgan.

 

There's a bizarre historical revisionism over Morgan where people like to say Huth was much better.

 

Morgam was universally accepted to be the much the better defender than Huth in the title winning season at the time. Huth had the Hollywood moments in the title winning season vs ManCity and Spurs and helped change our fortunes during the Great escape season (though Albrighton did almost just as much in turning our form around in the great escape and never gets as much as the credit).

 

But Huth had a very dodgy start to the title winning season and his poor form was a big reason as to why our defence was so iffy during the early parts of that season.

 

Whereas Morgan just didn't make mistakes that season and blocked and stopped everything and his positioning was always perfect. Been following Leicester since the early 70s and Morgan in our title winning season was hands down the best individual season of any defender I've ever seen at Leicester. Evans and Soyunchu were approaching it in the first half of last season but both were very poor in the final few months of last season after our collapse.

 

It was pretty much widely accepted Morgan was the much better than Huth that season. I have no idea why people seem to want to change this through historical revisionism. It seemed to happen during a period of bad form in the following season when people wanted to try and put Morgan down.

 

Check the player ratings on here for example at the time and there was actually a large difference between Morgan and Huth. Am also including Soyuncu and Evans from last season in the sidebar here. But you can see clearly that Morgan's performances were rated much much higher at the time to the point where it's way more past the point than just one guy's opinion.

 

 

 

Morgan 15/16 - 7.15

Huth 15/16 - 6.88

Soyuncu 19/20 - 6.8

Evans 19/20 - 6.7

So like I said, Huth and Morgan. 

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Deeg67

Deeg67

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4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

In a year or two I expect Fofana will be in everyone's squad

Especially PSG’s, Bayern’s or Man City’s.

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SpacedX

SpacedX

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9 hours ago, Bert said:

Hamer 

 

Hernandez

Benkovic

Upson

Wague 

 

 

Musa

Kaputska

Silva

Ghezzal

 

Diabate

Slimani 

 

Shocking, the omission of Ron-Robert Zieler here.

mozartfox

mozartfox

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8 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said:

I don’t think Fuchs is a good example - he was always excellent technically, but was also an excellent defender! 15/16 Fuchs was the best LB I’ve ever seen at City. 

You never saw Alan Woolett. 

martyn

martyn

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Pretty incredible to see that a guy we sold for £80m features in nobody's team.

 

Again goes to show how far the club has come.

 

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Staffs Fox

Staffs Fox

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                 Schmeichel

 

Ricardo   Morgan   Huth     Fuchs

 

             Kante      Tielemans 

 

                   Maddison 

 

Mahrez           Vardy.         Albrighton       

 

 

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TrickyTrev Benjamin

TrickyTrev Benjamin

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                   Kasper 

 

Chilwell      Evans    Maguire       Ricardo 

mahrez        Kante   Drinkwater   Barnes 

                        Maddison 

                         Vardy 

 

manager - Nigel Pearson. 

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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1 hour ago, Sampson said:

I feel the other way. And can never understand why people put Huth ahead of Morgan.

 

There's a bizarre historical revisionism over Morgan where people like to say Huth was much better.

 

Morgam was universally accepted to be the much the better defender than Huth in the title winning season at the time. Huth had the Hollywood moments in the title winning season vs ManCity and Spurs and helped change our fortunes during the Great escape season (though Albrighton did almost just as much in turning our form around in the great escape and never gets as much as the credit).

 

But Huth had a very dodgy start to the title winning season and his poor form was a big reason as to why our defence was so iffy during the early parts of that season.

 

Whereas Morgan just didn't make mistakes that season and blocked and stopped everything and his positioning was always perfect. Been following Leicester since the early 70s and Morgan in our title winning season was hands down the best individual season of any defender I've ever seen at Leicester. Evans and Soyunchu were approaching it in the first half of last season but both were very poor in the final few months of last season after our collapse.

 

It was pretty much widely accepted Morgan was the much better than Huth that season. I have no idea why people seem to want to change this through historical revisionism. It seemed to happen during a period of bad form in the following season when people wanted to try and put Morgan down.

 

Check the player ratings on here for example at the time and there was actually a large difference between Morgan and Huth. Am also including Soyuncu and Evans from last season in the sidebar here. But you can see clearly that Morgan's performances were rated much much higher at the time to the point where it's way more past the point than just one guy's opinion.

 

 

 

Morgan 15/16 - 7.15

Huth 15/16 - 6.88

Soyuncu 19/20 - 6.8

Evans 19/20 - 6.7

Kante 7.78 average rating that season!

 

It’s easy to forget just how good he was. Ndidi has been magnificent for us but that season by Kante was unreal.

Finnegan

Finnegan

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9 hours ago, bovril said:

No. At his peak, Cambiasso was the heartbeat of Champions League and multiple Serie A winning Internazionale. Maybe not as good as Tielemans for us but it's difficult to compare their performances here because they were playing in totally different teams with different styles of play.

 

 

Tielemans is good enough to be at a championship and Champions League winning club, quite frankly. 

 

I'm a big fan of Cambiasso and, like you I think, probably of the generation to have actually watched him the most during his prime. 

 

He was undeniably fantastic but he was also characterised by his graft as a hard working, box to box midfielder. As classy as he was on the ball, he never had the consistent vision or passing range that YT has. Which isn't an insult because most people don't. 

 

I think we have a real habit on here at times of underestimating our own players. We've spent so many decades watching complete dross but the transition to actually having world class talent here over the last few years has been gradual enough that I think some of us have managed to internally normalise it. Even on here the myth that Vardy can only play counter attacking football and that he's one dimensional gets repeated, Mahrez was never fully admired by all corners amongst Leicester fans and I think there's an extent that YT is prone to the same oversight sometimes. 

 

There are things he can do with a football that very few other players in the whole world can on anything like a regular basis. The pass he put in for Castagne against WBA was absolutely insane but its become so regular with him that most people were just distracted by the fact Vardy had finally scored. 

 

Don't take it as a slight against Cuchu, it really wasn't meant as such at all. I just think Tielemans is one of the top fraction of a percent midfielders of his generation and will probably wind up being another of those that doesn't get the full respect he deserves until he moves on. 

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Nalis

Nalis

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This is tough, and a very good thread. 

 

If the approach is what they achieved for us and what they did to help us versus the actual better players then you would have two very different teams.

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fuchsntf

fuchsntf

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10 hours ago, Sampson said:

It depends what you mean by undeniably better?

 

Technically better? absolutely. Mentally better and more consistently at it? Absolutely not. This current side still have a soft under belly at times and are still prone to brainfart performances that the 2016 side didn't.

 

I think Castagne vs Fuchs is a good example. Castagne is probably the more technically gifted player but peak Fuchs was just so consistent and reliable and you just didn't get the lull of mediocre performances like Castagne put several in a row of a few weeks ago.

 

The thing that made the 2016 side so good was their absurd levels of consistency. Players in that side just didn't have mediocre patches of form.

Castagna  Never put in several Appearances due to injuries in a row Let alone performances...

He might of had 1-2 avg games, but he was by no means poor..

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fuchsntf

fuchsntf

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2 hours ago, Sampson said:

I feel the other way. And can never understand why people put Huth ahead of Morgan.

 

There's a bizarre historical revisionism over Morgan where people like to say Huth was much better.

 

Morgam was universally accepted to be the much the better defender than Huth in the title winning season at the time. Huth had the Hollywood moments in the title winning season vs ManCity and Spurs and helped change our fortunes during the Great escape season (though Albrighton did almost just as much in turning our form around in the great escape and never gets as much as the credit).

 

But Huth had a very dodgy start to the title winning season and his poor form was a big reason as to why our defence was so iffy during the early parts of that season.

 

Whereas Morgan just didn't make mistakes that season and blocked and stopped everything and his positioning was always perfect. Been following Leicester since the early 70s and Morgan in our title winning season was hands down the best individual season of any defender I've ever seen at Leicester. Evans and Soyunchu were approaching it in the first half of last season but both were very poor in the final few months of last season after our collapse.

 

It was pretty much widely accepted Morgan was the much better than Huth that season. I have no idea why people seem to want to change this through historical revisionism. It seemed to happen during a period of bad form in the following season when people wanted to try and put Morgan down.

 

Check the player ratings on here for example at the time and there was actually a large difference between Morgan and Huth. Am also including Soyuncu and Evans from last season in the sidebar here. But you can see clearly that Morgan's performances were rated much much higher at the time to the point where it's way more past the point than just one guy's opinion.

 

 

 

Morgan 15/16 - 7.15

Huth 15/16 - 6.88

Soyuncu 19/20 - 6.8

Evans 19/20 - 6.7

Excellent post...

Bit Football isnt just about hard,  opinion rated statistics....

 

Sometime its just about fans preferences & who the individual fans, want and believe can give more to the team ...Also as individuals..

enmac

enmac

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10 hours ago, bovril said:

Not many more effective players for us since promotion than Okazaki and Simpson. 

Don't think we would have won the league without Simpson. Mind you, that could be said of every one of that team. If memory serves, Simpson didn't start the season. I think de Laet did. Having an attacking full back on the same side as Mahrez made us defensively vulnerable. 

Blue-fox

Blue-fox

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Hard one for me because the best players in my opinion put in the team just wouldn’t work in practice, however I would go for:

 

kasper

 

ricardo

huth

morgan

fuchs

 

Kante

ndidi

tielemens

 

Mahrez

Vardy

Albrighton

 

 

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Aus Fox

Aus Fox

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This almost needs a vote attached with it.

Manager 3 great options

Pearson, Ranieri, Rodgers

 

Keeper only one option - Kasper

 

Left back Fuchs, Chilwell, Justin

Right back Simpson, Ricardo, Castagne 

CBs Huth, Morgan, Evans, Fofana, Soyuncu, Maguire

CDM Kante, Ndidi

CM Drinkwater, Cambiasso, Tielemans 

CAM Maddison, Mahrez

LW Mahrez

RW Barnes, Albrighton 

CF Vardy, Okazaki, Wood, Ulloa, Iheanacho 

 

What a squad of players that is!!! And I’m sure someone wil point out someone obvious who hasn’t even made the short list.

winteriscoming

winteriscoming

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                    Kasper  

Ricardo   Huth  Evans  Fuchs 

    Kante Cambiasso Tielmans 

  Mahrez     Vardy      Barnes   
 

Very tough who to go with. 
Even tougher who would be in charge. 

Leicester_Loyal

Leicester_Loyal

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3 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

Also, anyone having Justin/Castagne over Fuchs is , in my humble opinion, a spozzwaggler. 

Very surprised, as someone else said, Fuchs in 15/16 was the best LB I've ever seen at the club, was good in every game, didn't put a foot wrong.

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Babylon

Babylon

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I just struggle to pick the centre backs really, Morgan and Huth were obviously outstanding for that short period of time. But I do feel like they were beneficiaries of the system, and had their limitations. But then our current crop have a more rounded game but clearly haven't achieved anywhere near as much. 

 

Kasper

 

Ricardo        ?????       ????        Fuchs

 

Ndidi

 

Kante       Tielemans

 

  Mahrez                                      Barnes

Vardy

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