Ric Flair Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 West Ham will get Lingard, Man Utd need to raise some reddies to make 1 more signing.
Fox92 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 21 hours ago, Simoken said: Overated AT BEST. look elsewhere How have you come to the conclusion that a midfielder, who scored 11 goals last season in one of the worse sides in the division, is overrated? 1
ARM1968 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 (edited) To be honest this guy doesn’t excite me and I don’t know why. The reality is he scored and created a ridiculous amount in a side that were utter bobbins - and he did it in the Premier League. I think that’s a strong argument that he is EXACTLY what we need. He can hit the ground running and will probably only flourish in a better side with better players around him. I’ve slowly come round to this transfer if it can be done. I’d still prefer Noni, but Pereira is a good option in all fairness. Edited 28 July 2021 by ARM1968 1
mozartfox Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 1 hour ago, Kent-Fox said: Can see him goin China for silly wages Chinese Football is bankrupt. Teams are going into liquidation. The finances of the average China Super League Club now make Derby look like Chelsea.
Ric Flair Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 5 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: To be honest this guy doesn’t excite me and I don’t no why. The reality is he scored and created a ridiculous amount in a side that were utter bobbins - and he did it in the Premier League. I think that’s a strong argument that he is EXACTLY what we need. He can hit the ground running and will probably only flourish in a better side with better players around him. I’ve slowly come round to this transfer if it can be done. I’d still prefer Noni, but Pereira is a good option in all fairness. I think part of it is because in the 2 games he played against us he was anonymous. West Brom were not a side to get the pulses going either, I barely watched any of their games as I couldn't stomach it. I did however watch their games vs Chelsea, Wolves and Villa and he was very strong in some of those, when he's at the heart of everything he's an absolute wizard. 2
lcfcsnow Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 Left footed right winger but can play central too, scored more last season than Perez and Albrighton could only dream of, most importantly it'll finally bring us a Brazilian. ✅
fox_up_north Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 3 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said: Left footed right winger but can play central too, scored more last season than Perez and Albrighton could only dream of, most importantly it'll finally bring us a Brazilian. ✅ Sure Madders can get down the salon and sort that 4
lcfcsnow Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 8 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said: Left footed right winger but can play central too, scored more last season than Perez and Albrighton could only dream of, most importantly it'll finally bring us a Brazilian. ✅ Seems he isn't, reading what WBA fans thought and the wing isn't his best position and is more suited to central https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=19947&pid=370525#pid370525
Bergen fox Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 2 hours ago, Adster said: China cannot pay silly wages for foreign footballers any more. https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/chinese-super-league/2020/chinese-fa-bring-in-salary-cap-for-the-new-chinese-super-league-season-to-avoid-complete-failure_sto8184513/story.shtml Ahh ok didn’t know that
messerschmitt Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: I think part of it is because in the 2 games he played against us he was anonymous. West Brom were not a side to get the pulses going either, I barely watched any of their games as I couldn't stomach it. I did however watch their games vs Chelsea, Wolves and Villa and he was very strong in some of those, when he's at the heart of everything he's an absolute wizard. Like you , I didn't jump at the chance to watch West Brom but the Chelsea game they looked like a different team to to the one we played. I think Pereira would fit us better than West Brom, He'd get a lot of game time and would surely better last seasons impressive figures?
moore_94 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 Highlights of the last season, seems like he just gets to roam and do what he wants, whilst coming in off the right Makes me laugh how he seems to make a good pass and yet the other West Brom players seem to absolutely scuff their shots 1
weller54 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 Massive upgrade on Perez!. Mind you, that's not very hard 😂
ian__marshall Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 Need to get this done. Very tidy player who'd really complement our attacking line. 1
STUHILL Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: Everyone wants Pereira for putting up decent numbers for a poor side, everyone hates Perez yet he had similar attacking output for Newcastle across more than just one season (and us in his first season) Ok then He actually reminds me of Perez's highlight reel Not really seeing what some others are But, I'd take him if the price is right I guess
Finnegan Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 3 hours ago, lcfcsnow said: Left footed right winger but can play central too, scored more last season than Perez and Albrighton could only dream of, most importantly it'll finally bring us a Brazilian. ✅ Do we even want a Brazilian if he's not Gabigol levels of unhinged flair though?
Genesis1 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 46 minutes ago, STUHILL said: He actually reminds me of Perez's highlight reel Not really seeing what some others are But, I'd take him if the price is right I guess I agree, and at the quoted 25m seems a little risky. I suppose it's better than a Dan James loan move.
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, pmcla26 said: Everyone wants Pereira for putting up decent numbers for a poor side, everyone hates Perez yet he had similar attacking output for Newcastle across more than just one season (and us in his first season) Ok then ....strangely enough I do not look at the stats of players as the first or second consideration!!! Just watching them play is the main reason to speculate on what they can bring to our team, the way he interacts on the pitch with his team mates and his decision making. Just watching the YouTube show reels, you see multiple chances being created and the striker or support attacker fail to score when put clean through. It just goes to show the stats says one thing, but the reality is something different. Edited 28 July 2021 by sacreblueits442 1 1
KingsX Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 8 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....strangely enough I do not look at the stats of players as the first or second consideration!!! Just watching them play is the main reason to speculate on what they can bring to our team, the way he interacts on the pitch with his team mates and his decision making. Just watching the YouTube show reels, you see multiple chances being created and the striker or support attacker fail to score when put clean through. It just goes to show the stats says one thing, but the reality is something different. Equating YouTube show reels with reality ... Demarai Gray is a 50M player off his YouTube reel 2
An Sionnach Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 (edited) Pereira has the brain for top level football , if you haven't got that you will never succeed no matter what else you can do (see Demarai Gray). Edited 28 July 2021 by An Sionnach 2
Deeg67 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 Pereira is much more comfortable playing wide than Perez and a considerably more ambitious passer of the ball. 1
matty98 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 1 hour ago, pmcla26 said: Everyone wants Pereira for putting up decent numbers for a poor side, everyone hates Perez yet he had similar attacking output for Newcastle across more than just one season (and us in his first season) Ok then Pereira's goal or assist contributions work out at 0.59 per 90s. Perez's contributions work out at 0.38 per 90. Quite a big difference. 1
matty98 Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 Just now, pmcla26 said: Have to remember that Pereira was WBA's focal point last season. Perez is another piece in the jigsaw (as Pereira would be if he came here) and we don't build the team to get the most out of him. Are those per 90 contributions for all time Premier League appearances? They are over all premier league appearances. Perez' contributions are very similar compared to his time at Newcastle, he has averaged 0.40 contributions per 90 for us in the premier league. Being the focal point at WBA doesn't mean his output would decline here. He'd be surrounded by much better players and likely be playing on the front foot much more. It's impossible to know how the switch would impact his productivity. But what we do know is he's shown more productivity in his first season in the league than Perez ever has.
casablancas Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 1 minute ago, pmcla26 said: Do we need an ambitious passer of the ball? You've got Maddison and Tielemans in the starting 11 who try to break the lines often enough, you need guys who are able to keep things simple and ticking over when you play a controlling possession game in the oppositions half. Also, really not sure Pereira would suit our high-press either (our midfield was already fairly easy to bypass at times last season when fatigued). He's a very good technical player but I really don't see him being an upgrade on what we have or suiting us tactically to be frankly honest. I think competition for Madders is essential. We know Praet isn’t fancied for whatever reason, maybe bro going in MP can cover the much maligned RF / RW whilst offering both cover and decent completion for JM.
casablancas Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, pmcla26 said: Is that not what Perez already does? No. I think he was potentially brought in for that. But I don’t think he’s done either role effectively. I don’t want this to become another Perez thread. He’s in most threads as it is. Edited 28 July 2021 by casablancas
An Sionnach Posted 28 July 2021 Posted 28 July 2021 13 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: Me neither, I just fail to comprehend why everyone is so desperate to replace him and thinks he's so poor compared to these guys linked on here that people are desperate to sign (most have hardly seen any of them play) I agree that most of the criticism of Perez is overdone, he is a skilful player. However he was the wrong player for what we needed and Rodgers spent too long trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole. He is a support striker or ACM and is now really Maddison's deputy. He is OK in those roles and as a bench player that is fine but I am not so sure we need that now. Pereira is a stronger player than Perez with excellent vision and dead ball skills , which would help us considerably. The case for buying him is strong but at the moment there is no indication the club wants to spend the money.
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