Coutinho

[murphy]

11 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'd love to see coutinho in a Leicester shirt but at the same time there's no way this transfer if it happened would ever work out

I think you're right.  A player on his way down via Liverpool and Barcelona turning up at Leicester.  It has expensive disaster written all over it.

 

I would always take the young player on his way up.

[ARM1968]

But does he fit with Brendan’s seen it and done it ethos?  The experience and composure we lacked at points last season?

 

He probably does, but like Daka, he ain’t coming here that’s for show. 

Edited 15 June 2021 by ARM1968

[gerblod]

11 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

 

Assumes Maddison can get back to being prime Maddison, and 2021 Coutinho isn't  better than prime Maddison - even if he can.

Although you are solely opining on their relative skill level, your opinion leads to further implications as to how their optimum transfer values (Coutinho @ c.£105m & Maddison @ c. 20m) would suggest markedly different ability. 

Coutinho is an example of a player whose media rep. flatters his real footballing worth. 

Rather like Longfellow's poem, 'There was a little girl', in which the heroine is described thus, "When she was good, She was very good. But when she was bad she was horrid", Coutinho appears to go through very good but has substantial interludes of horrid.

Madders has way more critics on here than he warrants. He's a cleverer footballer than Mount or Grealish, but he suffers from the Hoddle syndrome - too showy for English fans.

Coutinho is an overblown rep. looking for a new home. Leicester isn't that place. 

[gerblod]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

Yeah cos he's going to be unfit and out of form all season isn't he

 

You mean like Mahrez was ?

[Ric Flair]

He would pose a bit of an issue on where to deploy him, in those glory years at Liverpool he was unplayable cutting in from the left but Barnes isn't anywhere near as dangerous on the right or up front, nor as a number 10. I think Coutinho would have to rotate with Maddison in the 10 role which given both their injury issues isn't as unthinkable as it sounds for 2 players of their stature for a club like us.

 

I just hope we know what we are doing if this is genuine, we so badly need an elite right winger, a new striker and Soumare, Bertrand and possibly a centre half so I find it hard to believe there's the finances to get Countinho as well.

[Merchant_Banker]

51 minutes ago, gerblod said:

Although you are solely opining on their relative skill level, your opinion leads to further implications as to how their optimum transfer values (Coutinho @ c.£105m & Maddison @ c. 20m) would suggest markedly different ability. 

Coutinho is an example of a player whose media rep. flatters his real footballing worth. 

Rather like Longfellow's poem, 'There was a little girl', in which the heroine is described thus, "When she was good, She was very good. But when she was bad she was horrid", Coutinho appears to go through very good but has substantial interludes of horrid.

Madders has way more critics on here than he warrants. He's a cleverer footballer than Mount or Grealish, but he suffers from the Hoddle syndrome - too showy for English fans.

Coutinho is an overblown rep. looking for a new home. Leicester isn't that place. 

Who was the Hollywood actress who misquoted that with "When I'm good I'm very good, but when I'm bad I'm better." I was thinking Jane Mansfield, but not sure. 

Edited 15 June 2021 by Merchant_Banker

[Guest Bert Fill]

2 minutes ago, Merchant_Banker said:

Who was the Hollywood actress who misquoted that with "When I'm good I'm very good, but when I'm bad I'm better." I was thinking Jane Mansfield, but not sure. 

I don’t know, but it sounds the sort of thing Mae West would say?

[gerblod]

11 minutes ago, Merchant_Banker said:

Who was the Hollywood actress who misquoted that with "When I'm good I'm very good, but when I'm bad I'm better." I was thinking Jane Mansfield, but not sure. 

The bad mama you're thinking of was Mae West. 

[turtmcfly]

2 hours ago, gerblod said:

Although you are solely opining on their relative skill level, your opinion leads to further implications as to how their optimum transfer values (Coutinho @ c.£105m & Maddison @ c. 20m) would suggest markedly different ability. 

Coutinho is an example of a player whose media rep. flatters his real footballing worth. 

Rather like Longfellow's poem, 'There was a little girl', in which the heroine is described thus, "When she was good, She was very good. But when she was bad she was horrid", Coutinho appears to go through very good but has substantial interludes of horrid.

Madders has way more critics on here than he warrants. He's a cleverer footballer than Mount or Grealish, but he suffers from the Hoddle syndrome - too showy for English fans.

Coutinho is an overblown rep. looking for a new home. Leicester isn't that place. 

 

It was Longfellow being invoked as a tortuous metaphor for a stupendously simple concept that finally made me realise that Gerbold has returned. Face-palmingly obvious once you unravel the fiendish anagram, but without Donald's picture (and any other interaction) it had completely passed me by.

 

A belated welcome back G.

 

Anyway, I should have stopped at 'opining', but no, it's a slow morning Chez Turty, so I ended up reading the bit in bold and wondering what valid information 3 year old transfer fees for players 4 years apart age wise (and thus at different points in their career trajectory) could impart as to their current ability. I do like the concept of 'optimum transfer values' though. That's a lie. For the reason already stated, I don't like it because it's a logical trap designed to confuse idiots, and countless example could be used to show it's similar to measuring players ability by using their BMI.
 

Maddison might be too showy for some fans, but he's too no-showy for this one. I'm not convinced he's is a cleverer footballer than Grealish or Mount (esp. Mount), but being clever is only one aspect of a player's ability. I do know if I was offered a straight swap for either of them I'd be all over it, and Maddison could Mensa his way round Villa Park, or help Ross Barkley put his transformers back together in the dug out at Stamford Bridge.

 

 

Look, the question here is... can a clearly sub-par Coutinho be brought back up to anything approaching par. I don't know the answer to that question. The question surely isn't 'is a par Coutinho better than Maddison has ever been' because that's a daft question.

 

 

[Ricey]

I take there is absolutely no credible link to back any of this up?

[urban.spaceman]

Just now, Ricey said:

I take there is absolutely no credible link to back any of this up?

Since when did we need credible links??

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I loved Mae West, and for you older ones, yes, I would have loved to go up and see her sometime. What a doll; more lovers than I've had hot dinners, but hotter than any of them! 

[HybridFox]

This is like the Arjen Robben link last year/year before. Won't happen 

[Brizzle Fox]

40 minutes ago, TK95 said:

This is like the Arjen Robben link last year/year before. Won't happen 

Nah its more like the Coutinho thread from last year. I'm sure we just dust off the same threads year after year and reopen them, hoping no one notices the time stamp. 

[Ian Nacho]

Smokescreen for Chalobah. 

[gurru991]

In my opinion this is typical lazy journalism. Coutinho has played for Brendan before so he probably wants to reunite with him. The asking price appears to be low but his wage would be out of Leicesters range.

[Buzzell]

Would absolutely love him here.

[Pliskin]

9 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

He would pose a bit of an issue on where to deploy him, in those glory years at Liverpool he was unplayable cutting in from the left but Barnes isn't anywhere near as dangerous on the right or up front, nor as a number 10. I think Coutinho would have to rotate with Maddison in the 10 role which given both their injury issues isn't as unthinkable as it sounds for 2 players of their stature for a club like us.

 

I just hope we know what we are doing if this is genuine, we so badly need an elite right winger, a new striker and Soumare, Bertrand and possibly a centre half so I find it hard to believe there's the finances to get Countinho as well.

likely outcome would be on loan. Barca get him off the wage bill and can bring in a replacement and then look to ship him out next season.

[HybridFox]

10/1 on SkyBet. Decided it was worth a punt 

[Sly]

Maddison out. 
Coutinho in.

 

[Heymister2015]

Slimani £80k, Morgan/Fuchs £50k each? Gray £40k, james £30k! There’s £250k freed up 

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Heymister2015 said:

Slimani £80k, Morgan/Fuchs £50k each? Gray £40k, james £30k! There’s £250k freed up 

We wouldn’t pay him a huge salary but we could give him a big s/o fee instead.  of course this assumes the player has any interest whatsoever in coming to Lcfc 

[blueharmie]

This won't happen. He must be on about 300k a week. I cannot see how we would pay this. 

Same as last year, nothing will come of this. 

[peach0000]

5 hours ago, blueharmie said:

This won't happen. He must be on about 300k a week. I cannot see how we would pay this. 

Same as last year, nothing will come of this. 

I think if he came in he would be our top paid player. 300k is a no go but I could see us pushing 200 for the first time. It would likely be a deal where we pay 200ish and Barcelona continue paying him 100 until the end of his current deal. That’s normally how deals of this nature are structured. It’s a win win, we get our player, coutinho gets his move without losing money and Barcelona save 200k a week on a player they don’t want.

[enmac]

On 15/06/2021 at 10:25, Merchant_Banker said:

Who was the Hollywood actress who misquoted that with "When I'm good I'm very good, but when I'm bad I'm better." I was thinking Jane Mansfield, but not sure.