If Rodgers Goes...

[Mickyblueeyes]

While I am growing frustrated with the issues we are facing I can't see how a change of manager at this stage benefits us. As a fan you're allowed to get upset/question the leadership, however, any change must be for the betterment of the club. We needed to change Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel - otherwise the club would suffer. I dont think we are anywhere near that stage with Brendan. We are going through a difficult period and unlike other seasons where we had a decent amount of points on the board, this time we dont. 

 

With the way we are run, its always difficult to change a manager because we expect the first team manager to lead the philosophy of the club. Be frustrated, not knee jerk - for now. 

[Daveb5569]

If he does goto Man Utd maybe the club should look towards a german manager two German in the lge have done very well, except Daniel Farke 

[Deeg67]

Another factor is that if a squad overhaul is inevitable, is Rodgers the man you want in charge of it?  I think there's every reason to be leery of that possibility.  

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, Daveb5569 said:

If he does goto Man Utd maybe the club should look towards a german manager two German in the lge have done very well, except Daniel Farke 

The managers I like most there are both Austrian, Marco Rose who's at Dortmund now and Oliver Glasner who did very well at Wolfsburg before going to Frankfurt this season.

[ealingfox]

I can't believe this needs saying, but blokes on a forum who are not employed in the football industry being unable to give you a list of prospective appointees that they can guarantee would improve the team's current performance is not proof that such an appointment doesn't exist.

[sheffield_fox]

We've definitely been playing like a team who thinks the manager is leaving soon.

 

Probably will be the story of the season.

 

If he goes, you've got to say he's done brilliantly. Just a shame he couldn't commit for longer.

 

If that isn't what the problem is, at the moment, then god help us. 

[LVFox]

In order of preference

 

1) Ten Hag (Doubt he would come but he would be first choice)

2) Potter 

3) Phillipe Clement (Club Brugge Manager)

4) Sean Dyche (Vastly underrated manager, and not just in a "Gets more out of his players than he should". The pressing he implements at Burnley is actually quite impressive)

 

The main worry for me when Rodgers goes is our entire recruitment department seems set up around Congerton & therefore Rodgers himself. It's a benefit at the moment, as it keeps Rodgers far happier than if arrangements were different, but we may well need a shake up in this department too when a new coach comes in.

Worth me stating, I think Rodgers is the best coach we've ever had in my lifetime, and he has enough credit in the bank to have an absolute shocker of a season (as long as it keeps us above 18th).

 

I also think he needs backing in January, he has a reasonable argument that we've not invested enough whilst being in a favourable position reputation wise. A position that won't last forever. 

 

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, LVocey said:

In order of preference

 

1) Ten Hag (Doubt he would come but he would be first choice)

2) Potter 

3) Phillipe Clement (Club Brugge Manager)

4) Sean Dyche (Vastly underrated manager, and not just in a "Gets more out of his players than he should". The pressing he implements at Burnley is actually quite impressive)

 

The main worry for me when Rodgers goes is our entire recruitment department seems set up around Congerton & therefore Rodgers himself. It's a benefit at the moment, as it keeps Rodgers far happier than if arrangements were different, but we may well need a shake up in this department too when a new coach comes in.

Worth me stating, I think Rodgers is the best coach we've ever had in my lifetime, and he has enough credit in the bank to have an absolute shocker of a season (as long as it keeps us above 18th).

 

I also think he needs backing in January, he has a reasonable argument that we've not invested enough whilst being in a favourable position reputation wise. A position that won't last forever. 

 

See this is one I would have been behind us going for post-Ranieri/Shakespeare. However, now we have gone in a completely different direction stylistically. 

[Foxy-Lady]

16 hours ago, nnfox said:

Farke is available

Dean Smith is available

Nuno is available

Bruce is available

If Brendan goes, presumably Solskjaer will be available.

And Big Sam

And Alan Pardew

And Steve McLaren

 

Plenty of options, take your pick.  No need to panic.

 

That is a very good shout....been wondering if United might already be eyeing up Rodgers as a replacement for Solskjaer

[Pick Good Name Later]

The spate of PL sackings this season have, from the outside looking in, been puzzling. Watford sack Munoz citing poor performances and not meeting expectations. They were level on points with us at this point. Norwich sack Farke citing a fresh approach. Difficult to see with such a limited squad what a new manager could do differently. Villa sack Smith after 5 consecutive PL defeats. Survival, followed by an 11th placed finish, and losing Grealish which will have had inevitable challenges. Sancho sacked at Spurs after a poor start. Yet had a better record comparatively to Poch over the same games. But didn't like the style. Were they not aware of this when appointing him?

 

It's quite an easy argument to make that Leicester, this season, are in more of a rut than all of the above situations:

Wolves @ home - Won but comfortably second best throughout and hung on.

Utd @ home -  The positive stance on this was we started quickly, dominated the ball and was our strongest performance of the season. The cynical view. Utd were clueless and gave the freedom of the KP for us to play.

Brentford away - A tough watch, another s**thousary performance but came away with the win. 

Norwich away - Played a very limited N team, and playing anyone else on the day would have been a very different result. 

The draws: Burnley @ home, Palace away, Leeds away. Again, the positives are we came away with points. Performance wise, well below our best.

 

Getting to the point. We've not performed all season. We've got results because we've a very good squad, and when playing (subjective) inferior squads, we've been able to scrape through. It's difficult to continue to have faith in the situation changing. A rut is a few games. This is a season long rut. Added to the back end of last season. The mediocre results are masking what has been a pretty horrendous start.

 

I like we have owners that show support, are loyal and aren't kneejerk decisionmakers. I do not agree with panic sackings which you see all too regularly. However, football is a business. Millions are on line which fundamentally drive these decisions.

 

It's extremely difficult to understand who Leicester are currently. You could run through the PL and say well these do it this way, they do it that. Man City - press. Liverpool - press. Chelsea - Organised, quality. West Ham - Big, tough. Burnley, uncompromising. And so on. Who are we? We don't press. We have a lack of movement. We do not start quickly. We haven't a particular style. A go to formation. We do have a very good squad. Resources the envy of most. 

 

It's not good enough right now. It simply not. I don't believe the right question is who could do a better job and would come to Leicester. That's the wrong question to be asking. The correct question is simple. Taking into account all of our available resource, is the management team and coaching staff performing to expectation? No, they're not.

[BenTheFox]

57 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Rodgers is what the 4th highest paid manager in the league? Possibly one of the 10 most highly paid managers in the world.

 

We have arguably the 5th or 6th best squad in the league.

 

Renowned recruitment.

 

A state-of-the-art training ground.

 

The best owners in the league.

 

None of these factors mean we should be playing terribly. We're worse than the sum of our parts. Rodgers doesn't have any excuse to hide behind, Justin and Fofana aren't the reasons we're so timid in possession. Injuries included, we're still better than Leeds but it didn't look like it at all.

I think Rodgers is the highest calibre of manager we can realistically attract. However, what you are saying is true, although the 5th/6th best squad in the league point can be disputed. It feels like there is something fundamentally not right at the minute and our performances for the most part have been very laboured and passive. At the minute we don't look like a well-coached side. I don't see his job being under threat unless we are in a disastrous position. The main issue we've got is that currently the doesn't seem to be many viable options available and it's been made that little bit more difficult by Villa being in the hunt for a new manager as well as Man United probably needing a new manager soon. 

[Simoken]

I cant believe what im reading in this forum, Its like people want to be miserable and already preparing for the worst. get a grip, i  said this in a post the otherday, i feel i have to repeat the message. Show some respect to a man that gave you the FA CUP, Communitity Shield and European football. We were championship fodder not too long ago, We are becoming ever so entitled and petty ever sincee we won the league. The expectations from a majority of our fans is embarrasing, Football is loved for its HIGHS and LOWS so for the love of god and the mental health of my fingers having to type this shit. support BR he derserves it this year and next regardless how bad it gets, hes a fantastic manager thats proved it already. This is slow progress to club improvement, and changing a manager will solve nothing, look at spurs/man utd and ourselves!!!!!

Edited 8 November 2021 by Simoken

[goose2010]

4 minutes ago, Simoken said:

I cant believe what im reading in this forum, Its like people want to be miserable and already preparing for the worst. get a grip, i  said this in a post the otherday, i feel i have to repeat the message. Show some respect to a man that gave you the FA CUP, Communitity Shield and European football. We were championship fodder not too long ago, We are becoming ever so entitled and petty ever sincee we won the league. The expectations from a majority of our fans is embarrasing, Football is loved for its HIGHS and LOWS so for the love of god and the mental health of my fingers having to type this shit. support BR he derserves it this year and next regardless how bad it gets, hes a fantastic manager thats proved it already. This is a slow progress to club improvement, and changing a manager will solve nothing, look at spurs/man utd and ourselves!!!!!

Finally there seems some sense in this thread.

 

Small margins at the minute. The last two games we could easily have won with the chances we had. 

 

This thread is pretty depressing and really shows the state of modern football unfortunately.

[SecretPro]

7 minutes ago, Simoken said:

I cant believe what im reading in this forum, Its like people want to be miserable and already preparing for the worst. get a grip, i  said this in a post the otherday, i feel i have to repeat the message. Show some respect to a man that gave you the FA CUP, Communitity Shield and European football. We were championship fodder not too long ago, We are becoming ever so entitled and petty ever sincee we won the league. The expectations from a majority of our fans is embarrasing, Football is loved for its HIGHS and LOWS so for the love of god and the mental health of my fingers having to type this shit. support BR he derserves it this year and next regardless how bad it gets, hes a fantastic manager thats proved it already. This is a slow progress to club improvement, and changing a manager will solve nothing, look at spurs/man utd and ourselves!!!!!

So what you are saying is #BrendanOut?

[StanSP]

I just cannot get on board with the suggestion of Sean Dyche as a serious option

 

If people hate the football we play now, what are you expecting from having Dyche in charge?! 

[Hollyfox]

9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I just cannot get on board with the suggestion of Sean Dyche as a serious option

 

If people hate the football we play now, what are you expecting from having Dyche in charge?! 

Hard to say with Dyche as he's never been able to work with such a talented squad as ours. 

 

He's always made the best at what he has at his disposal, but he does make the fit and run through brick walls for him. 

 

Not saying I'd want him at Leicester but i respect what he's done, in his time, at Burnley 

[Philkeavo]

37 minutes ago, Pick Good Name Later said:

The spate of PL sackings this season have, from the outside looking in, been puzzling. Watford sack Munoz citing poor performances and not meeting expectations. They were level on points with us at this point. Norwich sack Farke citing a fresh approach. Difficult to see with such a limited squad what a new manager could do differently. Villa sack Smith after 5 consecutive PL defeats. Survival, followed by an 11th placed finish, and losing Grealish which will have had inevitable challenges. Sancho sacked at Spurs after a poor start. Yet had a better record comparatively to Poch over the same games. But didn't like the style. Were they not aware of this when appointing him?

 

It's quite an easy argument to make that Leicester, this season, are in more of a rut than all of the above situations:

Wolves @ home - Won but comfortably second best throughout and hung on.

Utd @ home -  The positive stance on this was we started quickly, dominated the ball and was our strongest performance of the season. The cynical view. Utd were clueless and gave the freedom of the KP for us to play.

Brentford away - A tough watch, another s**thousary performance but came away with the win. 

Norwich away - Played a very limited N team, and playing anyone else on the day would have been a very different result. 

The draws: Burnley @ home, Palace away, Leeds away. Again, the positives are we came away with points. Performance wise, well below our best.

 

Getting to the point. We've not performed all season. We've got results because we've a very good squad, and when playing (subjective) inferior squads, we've been able to scrape through. It's difficult to continue to have faith in the situation changing. A rut is a few games. This is a season long rut. Added to the back end of last season. The mediocre results are masking what has been a pretty horrendous start.

 

I like we have owners that show support, are loyal and aren't kneejerk decisionmakers. I do not agree with panic sackings which you see all too regularly. However, football is a business. Millions are on line which fundamentally drive these decisions.

 

It's extremely difficult to understand who Leicester are currently. You could run through the PL and say well these do it this way, they do it that. Man City - press. Liverpool - press. Chelsea - Organised, quality. West Ham - Big, tough. Burnley, uncompromising. And so on. Who are we? We don't press. We have a lack of movement. We do not start quickly. We haven't a particular style. A go to formation. We do have a very good squad. Resources the envy of most. 

 

It's not good enough right now. It simply not. I don't believe the right question is who could do a better job and would come to Leicester. That's the wrong question to be asking. The correct question is simple. Taking into account all of our available resource, is the management team and coaching staff performing to expectation? No, they're not.

Absolute humdinger of a post, right on the money on all points 

[jv1]

42 minutes ago, Pick Good Name Later said:

The spate of PL sackings this season have, from the outside looking in, been puzzling. Watford sack Munoz citing poor performances and not meeting expectations. They were level on points with us at this point. Norwich sack Farke citing a fresh approach. Difficult to see with such a limited squad what a new manager could do differently. Villa sack Smith after 5 consecutive PL defeats. Survival, followed by an 11th placed finish, and losing Grealish which will have had inevitable challenges. Sancho sacked at Spurs after a poor start. Yet had a better record comparatively to Poch over the same games. But didn't like the style. Were they not aware of this when appointing him?

 

It's quite an easy argument to make that Leicester, this season, are in more of a rut than all of the above situations:

Wolves @ home - Won but comfortably second best throughout and hung on.

Utd @ home -  The positive stance on this was we started quickly, dominated the ball and was our strongest performance of the season. The cynical view. Utd were clueless and gave the freedom of the KP for us to play.

Brentford away - A tough watch, another s**thousary performance but came away with the win. 

Norwich away - Played a very limited N team, and playing anyone else on the day would have been a very different result. 

The draws: Burnley @ home, Palace away, Leeds away. Again, the positives are we came away with points. Performance wise, well below our best.

 

Getting to the point. We've not performed all season. We've got results because we've a very good squad, and when playing (subjective) inferior squads, we've been able to scrape through. It's difficult to continue to have faith in the situation changing. A rut is a few games. This is a season long rut. Added to the back end of last season. The mediocre results are masking what has been a pretty horrendous start.

 

I like we have owners that show support, are loyal and aren't kneejerk decisionmakers. I do not agree with panic sackings which you see all too regularly. However, football is a business. Millions are on line which fundamentally drive these decisions.

 

It's extremely difficult to understand who Leicester are currently. You could run through the PL and say well these do it this way, they do it that. Man City - press. Liverpool - press. Chelsea - Organised, quality. West Ham - Big, tough. Burnley, uncompromising. And so on. Who are we? We don't press. We have a lack of movement. We do not start quickly. We haven't a particular style. A go to formation. We do have a very good squad. Resources the envy of most. 

 

It's not good enough right now. It simply not. I don't believe the right question is who could do a better job and would come to Leicester. That's the wrong question to be asking. The correct question is simple. Taking into account all of our available resource, is the management team and coaching staff performing to expectation? No, they're not.

Absolutely bang on the money- great post mate- especially for a monday morning- im 100% with you

 

My only addition would be this- yesterday was an absolute sh*t show- horrible- it was not good attacking football in any way and thats what that formation should deliver compared to the 5 at the back- it didnt- it was pony- I still cannot believe how many times they simply gave the ball away- must have misplaced over 200 passes easy- so bad- we actually just started hoofing long balls from evans to nobody at one point we had so little idea of how to pass through that press- leeds are woeful- so they run around- so what - a decent side yesterday beats them 6-0- and if they had a striker yesterday they beat us easily- thats worrying- very worrying- whats going on with that 433 anyway- since when do we play with 1 holder and 1 either side- when we were good at that formation you have 2 holders in ndidi and tielemans and then a number 10 in maddison- I have no idea what that was yesterday and how wrong he got it- we also never play 2 out and out wingers - its normally a perez or albrighton out there that tucks in- utterly bizarre- and the substitutions and way he did them second half- did we have lookman up front at one point in a 2- wow

 

All that being said the players need to take some serious responsibility as well- bar a brilliant individual effort from barnes I actually think every single one of them had a shocker- went into hiding- didnt want the ball in tough areas- sloppy- gave so many easy passes away- we had 2 really easy chances for a last pass and goal first half and both tielemans and vardy played woeful passes to put people in- the players need to take some serious responsibility for this as well

 

I do not think for a second we should even be considering removing the manager and we definitely wont be at board level however he also definitely needs to up his game- he seems lost on how to change things for the better- is confusing everything by the continued change in formations and is definitely struggling in my opinion - I watched the post match interview and he obviously saw a different game to me- seemed to say we did well which is head scratching- it wont take a lot to get us playing better than we are at the minute- he deserves the time to get it right- im personally willing to give him it- I really hope he and the players sort themseves out or we might find ourselves in some trouble- lets support the team and the manager and pray they pick up

[Flappit]

50 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

Finally there seems some sense in this thread.

 

Small margins at the minute. The last two games we could easily have won with the chances we had. 

 

This thread is pretty depressing and really shows the state of modern football unfortunately.

I respect that you hold that opinion, but this is what I (and some others on here) disagree with. Leeds could more easily have won that game that us and we generated nowhere near enough chances based on the space they gave us. When we tried to press Arsenal last week, they played it around us pretty easily to get out. When Leeds pressed us, we panicked and gave poor passes to players under pressure that almost resulted in Leeds scoring several times.  We have been in a deep rut for a very long time and I'm at a loss to understand what caused it. We are now so bereft of confidence that the opposition knows they can simple press Tielemans and stop us. We have no out ball without him firing on all cylinders.  Vardy is getting more and more patchy with his scoring - the bloke is getting on so it's understandable - and whereas Maddison and Barnes are gradually starting to show glimpses of form again, they're shadows of their former selves. There is definitely a malaise in the squad and it has to be coming from the management team.

[goose2010]

10 minutes ago, Flappit said:

I respect that you hold that opinion, but this is what I (and some others on here) disagree with. Leeds could more easily have won that game that us and we generated nowhere near enough chances based on the space they gave us. When we tried to press Arsenal last week, they played it around us pretty easily to get out. When Leeds pressed us, we panicked and gave poor passes to players under pressure that almost resulted in Leeds scoring several times.  We have been in a deep rut for a very long time and I'm at a loss to understand what caused it. We are now so bereft of confidence that the opposition knows they can simple press Tielemans and stop us. We have no out ball without him firing on all cylinders.  Vardy is getting more and more patchy with his scoring - the bloke is getting on so it's understandable - and whereas Maddison and Barnes are gradually starting to show glimpses of form again, they're shadows of their former selves. There is definitely a malaise in the squad and it has to be coming from the management team.

We had the better chances yesterday, i don't seem to remember Leeds testing Kasper? Did he make a save? . Youri's touch let him down when Vardy won the ball back and couple of passes were poor that could have lead to better chances. The Lookman offside from the freeze frame look like they have measured it from the wrong position as well. 

 

You say it has to come from the management? Why does it? Why would it all of a sudden come from the management after 2 seasons? 

 

Maddison has had a couple of decent performances and so have Barnes and then they were unfortunate to pick up a sickness bug. Vardy's standards haven't dropped at all this season, he is still scoring and causing defenders havoc. 

 

The Tielemans injury was unfortunate yesterday as we would have probably brought on Daka or Kel and gone for the win. 

 

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

16 hours ago, JamboFox1884 said:

I feel like Steven Gerrard would be a good fit judging by what he done with Glasgow Rangers but it's highly unlikely he would actually leave them he became a Glasgow Rangers legend in just one or two seasons

..  he would jump at the chance, it is the perfect opportunity for him!!!

  Never did like him and hope him or Lampard are not on any short list. 

[BenTheFox]

3 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

We had the better chances yesterday, i don't seem to remember Leeds testing Kasper? Did he make a save? . Youri's touch let him down when Vardy won the ball back and couple of passes were poor that could have lead to better chances. The Lookman offside from the freeze frame look like they have measured it from the wrong position as well. 

 

You say it has to come from the management? Why does it? Why would it all of a sudden come from the management after 2 seasons? 

 

Maddison has had a couple of decent performances and so have Barnes and then they were unfortunate to pick up a sickness bug. Vardy's standards haven't dropped at all this season, he is still scoring and causing defenders havoc. 

 

The Tielemans injury was unfortunate yesterday as we would have probably brought on Daka or Kel and gone for the win. 

 

 

 

They literally missed an open goal from two yards out in the second half...

[FOXYTALK]

Maybe people are reading too much into this thread. Big if he goes not we want him to go. 

Potter to go to Villa. 

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Rodgers is what the 4th highest paid manager in the league? Possibly one of the 10 most highly paid managers in the world.

 

We have arguably the 5th or 6th best squad in the league.

 

Renowned recruitment.

 

A state-of-the-art training ground.

 

The best owners in the league.

 

None of these factors mean we should be playing terribly. We're worse than the sum of our parts. Rodgers doesn't have any excuse to hide behind, Justin and Fofana aren't the reasons we're so timid in possession. Injuries included, we're still better than Leeds but it didn't look like it at all.

Neither do the players...unless fans take stock of players,returning & taking longer than thought to find any of their old form...

Ricardo...irregular form return..1 year

Castagna...he's ok

Maddison..only just finding his form.1yr

Ndidi.........Still not quite there..1 year

Evans........a lot of ins & out.Over 2yrs

Soyu.... injury/then Euros.indifferent.

Barnes...after 11 game season:- slowly.

Vardy...  Is Vardy..we never know..

Amartey..since return, took time..

 

Look at that list, 8 players our previous and still major position performers...

Amartey being the cover.

Not forgetting Fofana/Justin incredible rise to early first choice potential was a massive coincidental bonus,that was cruelly taken away.like Barnes who was having his first full season hitting the heights.

 

Name me EIGHT players who are able

to cover or replace their absence due to

Form indifference, or 1-3 games injuries,over any 4-8.game spread...

 

Rodgers got  on with it,but he's had to

Mix & match/pick & take..

Having not the same quality or potential to call on..

Names on teamssheet,that's all..!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

15 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

Probably be someone like Ronald Koeman. 

.. he has now become a journeyman manager!!!

  He has problems with his players and is seeing out his career from past success.