If Rodgers Goes...

[BenTheFox]

6 minutes ago, sammy82 said:

Finished 5th with Everton and an FA cup for Wigan, pretty decent I think but it’s all about opinions I suppose 

Whilst both of those things are true, Wigan were relegated with him as their manager and he finished in the bottom-half two seasons running with an Everton team which included Lukaku, Stones, Baines, Barkley, Coleman, Barry, Jagielka etc. and they were very soft-centred, blowing the lead on countless occasions. Personally I wouldn't want him anywhere near us. 

Edited 17 November 2021 by BenTheFox

[don_danbury]

17 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

No, your right!

 

No club more significant than us will be interested in a manager who won European Championship: 2020, Serie A x 3, Coppa Italia x 4, PL and FA Cup.

 

 

hmm, I thought he only won the Audi cup, or was is the Aldi cup?

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, don_danbury said:

hmm, I thought he only won the Audi cup, or was is the Aldi cup?

Sorry crossed wires. I was talking about Mancini earlier in the thread, as well as Pochettino.

 

My mistake , its been a long day. 

 

Were you talking about  Pochettino.

[BenTheFox]

20 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I keep hearing people talk about a new manager that can take us too the next level. Can anyone actually explain what the next level is? From back to back 5th place finishes and an FA cup win? I don’t know about anybody else but this level has always seemed pretty dreamy, I really think this is as close to our ceiling as possible. 

To be honest, I can't see us finishing anywhere near the top five for the foreseeable. Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool are miles ahead of the rest of the league, Man United with a change of manager and a couple of signings can sort themselves out, Tottenham now have a world class manager (although he's not a miracle worker), Arsenal look to be turning a corner and then you have other clubs like West Ham, Everton, Wolves, Villa etc. I know they look like a shambles at the minute but you'd think that it's only a matter of time before Newcastle get their act together and become a force. Even if they are relegated this season, generally speaking you can resolve most issues with money. 

Edited 17 November 2021 by BenTheFox

[coolhandfox]

19 minutes ago, sammy82 said:

Finished 5th with Everton and an FA cup for Wigan, pretty decent I think but it’s all about opinions I suppose 

Careful, don't say that on here.

 

It's not seen as doing a good job, according to 80% of Foxestalk. 

[Pliskin]

20 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I keep hearing people talk about a new manager that can take us too the next level. Can anyone actually explain what the next level is? From back to back 5th place finishes and an FA cup win? I don’t know about anybody else but this level has always seemed pretty dreamy, I really think this is as close to our ceiling as possible. 

The days are gone of clubs like us having a ceiling…. We’ve proven that by winning the premier league. Having the right ingredients can mean you’re a genuine challenge. Another “none big six” will win the league again on the next few seasons I think. West Ham are bubbling away nicely for one. 
 

I think we still have a long way to go, we wouldn’t be investing as heavily as we are in training complexes and stadium expansions if we didn’t believe we could still be a force.

 

I reckon if we get our ducks in order we will win the league again in our lifetime, and maybe even the CL. 
 

Plenty more left in our tank.

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

The days are gone of clubs like us having a ceiling…. We’ve proven that by winning the premier league. Having the right ingredients can mean you’re a genuine challenge. Another “none big six” will win the league again on the next few seasons I think. West Ham are bubbling away nicely for one. 
 

I think we still have a long way to go, we wouldn’t be investing as heavily as we are in training complexes and stadium expansions if we didn’t believe we could still be a force.

 

I reckon if we get our ducks in order we will win the league again in our lifetime, and maybe even the CL. 
 

Plenty more left in our tank.

I disagree, you can get odd season successes but year on year winners are always the big clubs. More so now than ever.

We are already punching, even with this investment and fans expecting as opposed to hoping for success are setting themselves up for a fall.

There is a reason our title was considered a fairytale……

[don_danbury]

43 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Sorry crossed wires. I was talking about Mancini earlier in the thread, as well as Pochettino.

 

My mistake , its been a long day. 

 

Were you talking about  Pochettino.

poch,yes

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

I keep hearing people talk about a new manager that can take us too the next level. Can anyone actually explain what the next level is? From back to back 5th place finishes and an FA cup win? I don’t know about anybody else but this level has always seemed pretty dreamy, I really think this is as close to our ceiling as possible. 

I agree that this is better than I've ever dreamt we could do, but you can't deny that there is another level that theoretically we could move onto and which our owners are aiming for with the ground expansion.

 

Anyone remember a few seasons back when the expansion plans were announced and everyone was saying we needed to become an established PL team before we should do that and the general consensus of "established" was "not get relegated for 3-4 seasons" 

[coolhandfox]

6 minutes ago, don_danbury said:

poch,yes

I think he's still held in high regard by Spurs, a lot of rumours they tried to get him back after Jose. That door has now closed with Conte arrival. 

 

I think he would be higher on Man U list if they thought they could get him out of PSG.

 

I don't think he will be short of offers from the PL or aboard. 

 

 

[coolhandfox]

9 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I agree that this is better than I've ever dreamt we could do, but you can't deny that there is another level that theoretically we could move onto and which our owners are aiming for with the ground expansion.

 

Anyone remember a few seasons back when the expansion plans were announced and everyone was saying we needed to become an established PL team before we should do that and the general consensus of "established" was "not get relegated for 3-4 seasons" 

The question is, what is the next level after two seasons of top 6, European football and a trophy?

 

We would do well to maintain the level set in the last two years, let alone go to the next level. 

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

I keep hearing people talk about a new manager that can take us too the next level. Can anyone actually explain what the next level is? From back to back 5th place finishes and an FA cup win? I don’t know about anybody else but this level has always seemed pretty dreamy, I really think this is as close to our ceiling as possible. 

If we’re talking another level, surely it’s Dane Bowers? 

[Corky]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

 

I'm surprised more people don't have faith in the people running our club considering what they have delivered.

It's fair to be unsure of what happens next. The great people have also delivered Sousa and Puel.

 

Just have a feeling the next manager will be underwhelming. I do hope it's not a media favourite and we can get on without a circus and a load of hype.

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Not really. I am not naive enough to not think there are other managers out there, but I think the clubs intention was to keep Rodgers here for the long run, I’m talking a proper stint like 10-15 years for example, to build season on season to get the club to an elite level over time, rather than chopping and changing managers every few seasons and then spunking millions in the transfer window because each one has a different approach and philosophy.

 

So the reason why I think it would be a disaster is the club probably won’t really know what to do next, they offered him a new contract because I think they genuinely see him as the man to take us forward, he goes and their plan goes up in flames. I’m aware they will probably have a business continuity plan if things were to go tits, but the fact we were after him even before Poohell’s stint here shows that he was the main man for them. 
 

Rodgers going to United would be a huge mistake, the only reason United would want him is because he’s probably the only manager easily available for them who has achieved something over the last few seasons, and they know if they come knocking we stand little chance of keeping him because they will just offer up the compensation money straight away. Then give it two or three seasons and then Rodgers will be sacked for someone else. 
 

Im hoping it is all nonsense, but I do genuinely fear for us if he leaves, things might not be great at the moment, but trying to find his replacement would be very tough in my opinion. He isn’t the best manager in the world, but his philosophy suits the club to a tee, he’s very much a media man, I think he’s probably one of the best man managers around and he is very much about building a squad of good characters and relevant characters. Can’t deny the last few seasons have been great, more great than bad, despite the tail off’s at the end of either season. 

he walked out on Celtic what makes you think he would stick around for 10-15 years that is a rare occurrence these days.

 

[MrsJohnMurphy]

2 hours ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

This topic will be dead after we spank Chelsea 6-0 

Well no because Talkshite and the like will be spaffing themselves silly to get him the Man U job

[Strokes]

59 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I agree that this is better than I've ever dreamt we could do, but you can't deny that there is another level that theoretically we could move onto and which our owners are aiming for with the ground expansion.

 

Anyone remember a few seasons back when the expansion plans were announced and everyone was saying we needed to become an established PL team before we should do that and the general consensus of "established" was "not get relegated for 3-4 seasons" 

I’m not saying we can’t improve as a club, but our standing won’t really get much better than it is now.

We might mug a couple of the big 6 clubs off here and there, or even end up in a title race but we won’t ever consistently do that. It’s just not possible on the budget. We are incredibly lucky and this is the best we’ve ever been imo. But we will always be one bad season from the drop and top ten will always be a job well done.

Anything above that is exceptional.

[ALC Fox]

2 hours ago, Strokes said:

I keep hearing people talk about a new manager that can take us too the next level. Can anyone actually explain what the next level is? From back to back 5th place finishes and an FA cup win? I don’t know about anybody else but this level has always seemed pretty dreamy, I really think this is as close to our ceiling as possible. 

Absolutely. It's money that will take us to the next level, if we're able to get there. To close the gap on the Big Six, we need to increase our income substantially. The new shirt sponsorship is a step in the right direction, but continued success at our current level will create more interest in us from around the world and the opportunity to strike more lucrative deals in the future.

 

Whether we're ever able close the gap on the Big Six is open to debate but the gap is a very large one. If we're able to win the odd pot and punch above our weight in the meantime, then all the better.

[Phil Bowman]

17 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

it would have been interesting to see how Pearson handling the 2015/16 campaign!!!

Well regardless of what might have happened on the pitch, I doubt he’d have played the loveable, affable, twinkly frontman role quite as well as Claudio, so our tidewave of global goodwill might have been a bit smaller.

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I agree that this is better than I've ever dreamt we could do, but you can't deny that there is another level that theoretically we could move onto and which our owners are aiming for with the ground expansion.

 

Anyone remember a few seasons back when the expansion plans were announced and everyone was saying we needed to become an established PL team before we should do that and the general consensus of "established" was "not get relegated for 3-4 seasons" 

Yes, we used to dream of mid table

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

he walked out on Celtic what makes you think he would stick around for 10-15 years that is a rare occurrence these days.

 

Without sounding disrespectful towards Celtic, there is only so much you can do in Scotland…. 
 

The premier league is growing more competitive as the years go on, and we set that precedent. 
 

And all this talk of hitting ceilings, what would the actual point be in building a state of the art training ground and vestry expanding the stadium and surrounding areas if the aim was not to compete? 
 

There’s plenty for us as a club to be positive about, and there’s plenty for us to achieve, and if Rodgers had anything about him he would hold out for the City job whilst trying to continue to build us as a club, because I think that’s the job he wants. 
 

United wouldn’t be a good move for him, but unfortunately the carrot is too big to avoid. 

[sacreblueits442]

2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Without sounding disrespectful towards Celtic, there is only so much you can do in Scotland…. 
 

The premier league is growing more competitive as the years go on, and we set that precedent. 
 

And all this talk of hitting ceilings, what would the actual point be in building a state of the art training ground and vestry expanding the stadium and surrounding areas if the aim was not to compete? 
 

There’s plenty for us as a club to be positive about, and there’s plenty for us to achieve, and if Rodgers had anything about him he would hold out for the City job whilst trying to continue to build us as a club, because I think that’s the job he wants. 
 

United wouldn’t be a good move for him, but unfortunately the carrot is too big to avoid. 

...I would say the United job would be more him than the City job!!!

If he took over from United then it would be a long term tenure, 10 years+ or a job for life. He would not be looking for a National Coach role , so following in Fergie's footsteps

with the wisdom of Fergie in his ear.

 An absolutely no brainer.

[Pliskin]

7 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I would say the United job would be more him than the City job!!!

If he took over from United then it would be a long term tenure, 10 years+ or a job for life. He would not be looking for a National Coach role , so following in Fergie's footsteps

with the wisdom of Fergie in his ear.

 An absolutely no brainer.

That’s what they said about Moyes, look how that turned out. And having Fergie in your ear isn’t a good thing at all, he’s in the past and should stay there, United will never progress if they’re not willing to step out of the shadow of Fergie. 
 

I’m not sure if United is even a good job at all at the moment, following in the footsteps of Fergie so far has proven extremely difficult. 

[LinekersLugs]

Talk sport mentioned that Lampard had his head turned towards Leicester in the summer 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Please no 

[brookfox]

19 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said:

Talk sport mentioned that Lampard had his head turned towards Leicester in the summer 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Please no 

In other news, I’ve had my head turned by Emily Ratajkowski.

[Raw Dykes]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

The days are gone of clubs like us having a ceiling…. We’ve proven that by winning the premier league. Having the right ingredients can mean you’re a genuine challenge. Another “none big six” will win the league again on the next few seasons I think. West Ham are bubbling away nicely for one. 
 

I think we still have a long way to go, we wouldn’t be investing as heavily as we are in training complexes and stadium expansions if we didn’t believe we could still be a force.

 

I reckon if we get our ducks in order we will win the league again in our lifetime, and maybe even the CL. 
 

Plenty more left in our tank.

I see what you did there.