Seagrave

[sacreblueits442]

7 hours ago, 21st Century Fox said:

It's not like we could plow that money into the squad anyway, it's infrastructure costs.

 

Our current predicament is more to do with how long let Brendan keep his feet under the desk at Seagrave, rather than anything to do with the building itself.

.. with it being a loan taken out against final league position, it is not classified as revenue from trading therefore cannot be used to improve the squad!!!

  Infrastructure can be financed by the owners putting in their own money  which does not breach FFP.

The impact of Seagrave would be the money being paid back to the bank (for example 5 years, at £20m per year)

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Just had some insider info about Seagrave from someone in the know...

 

Firstly he corroborated what we’ve heard in the press - that recently there was a real disconnect between Bodgers, his staff and the playing squad.

 

He claimed a lot of people in the club think the lack of togetherness at Seagrave has been a problem. But if that is the case, surely do something about it - change the lay out, or make them socialise more often, I don’t know… it just seems like an easy excuse. A culture isn’t just based on architecture etc. He also said Spurs have recently build a similar facility but on a smaller plot, and haven’t had these issues (smaller presumably because there is less land available in London).

 

But he also said that because it’s a massive site it will take a lot of money to maintain. There are concerns there won’t be enough income from Championship football to pay for its upkeep. That seems to make sense. How embarrassing would that be btw if parts of it had to be closed, it went into disrepair or we had to move back to Belvoir Drive?!

 

Just sharing as I’ve never been ITK, and although not sure how ITK this is, I thought it was interesting.

Edited 12 April 2023 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[Ginger_Filbert]

On 10/04/2023 at 20:28, Bayfox said:

Amd bath taps that cost 40k

That’s half a weeks wages for Soumare, I know what I’d prefer 😂

[Shane]

16 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Just had some insider info about Seagrave from someone in the know...

 

Firstly he corroborated what we’ve heard in the press - that recently there was a real disconnect between Bodgers, his staff and the playing squad.

 

He claimed a lot of people in the club think the lack of togetherness at Seagrave has been a problem. But if that is the case, surely do something about it - change the lay out, or make them socialise more often, I don’t know… it just seems like an easy excuse. A culture isn’t just based on architecture etc. He also said Spurs have recently build a similar facility but on a smaller plot, and haven’t had these issues (smaller presumably because there is less land available in London).

 

But he also said that because it’s a massive site it will take a lot of money to maintain. There are concerns there won’t be enough income from Championship football to pay for its upkeep. That seems to make sense. How embarrassing would that be btw if parts of it had to be closed, it went into disrepair or we had to move back to Belvoir Drive?!

 

Just sharing as I’ve never been ITK, and although not sure how ITK this is, I thought it was interesting.

Thank you for the info.

 

In regards to the lack of togetherness, Seagrave isn't the problem. I doubt the 15/16 squad would be struggling to bond if they were training there. Unfortunately we've signed a lot of bad characters in recent years, who are here for the wrong reasons. Making sure new signings had the right mentality and were a good fit used to be our modus operandi. Hopefully Smith and his team can address this issue and improve our squads mentality.

[Foxdiamond]

On 10/04/2023 at 21:24, Buzzell said:

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[Foxdiamond]

19 minutes ago, Shane said:

Thank you for the info.

 

In regards to the lack of togetherness, Seagrave isn't the problem. I doubt the 15/16 squad would be struggling to bond if they were training there. Unfortunately we've signed a lot of bad characters in recent years, who are here for the wrong reasons. Making sure new signings had the right mentality and were a good fit used to be our modus operandi. Hopefully Smith and his team can address this issue and improve our squads mentality.

I always think the indefinable importance of a collective character with teams and squads is difficult to explain. The 2015 16 squad must have been so special. Hopefully the new management team can use what Seagrave offers and matches with a team spirit that has eroded since at least early 2022

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

35 minutes ago, Shane said:

Thank you for the info.

 

In regards to the lack of togetherness, Seagrave isn't the problem. I doubt the 15/16 squad would be struggling to bond if they were training there. Unfortunately we've signed a lot of bad characters in recent years, who are here for the wrong reasons. Making sure new signings had the right mentality and were a good fit used to be our modus operandi. Hopefully Smith and his team can address this issue and improve our squads mentality.

Great points - I agree 

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

He claimed a lot of people in the club think the lack of togetherness at Seagrave has been a problem. But if that is the case, surely do something about it - change the lay out, or make them socialise more often, I don’t know… it just seems like an easy excuse. A culture isn’t just based on architecture etc. He also said Spurs have recently build a similar facility but on a smaller plot, and haven’t had these issues (smaller presumably because there is less land available in London).

Thanks for the info. Sometimes the best place to be isn't the massive shiny state of the art complex. It sounds like something they need to work quite hard on and there might not be an easy fix. I'm a million miles from a top tier sports person, many many years ago the company i worked for moved from a smallish office to a much larger complex in the london docklands area. I hated it. We had a canteen, loads of meeting rooms and lots of space - everything you would think we could have wanted. But i missed the intimacy of the smaller space, missed being able to use anything local, and the teams stopped socialising. My work wasn't better moving to the new place (but obviously it facilitated more people).

 

Every time i see videos of Seagrave it looks unbelievable. But it doesn't look like somewhere i would want to go to work everyday. Being miles away from anything would fill me with dread. Get me near a city anyway of the week. But then - i'm not a footballer on £80k a week!

[Chrysalis]

42 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Thanks for the info. Sometimes the best place to be isn't the massive shiny state of the art complex. It sounds like something they need to work quite hard on and there might not be an easy fix. I'm a million miles from a top tier sports person, many many years ago the company i worked for moved from a smallish office to a much larger complex in the london docklands area. I hated it. We had a canteen, loads of meeting rooms and lots of space - everything you would think we could have wanted. But i missed the intimacy of the smaller space, missed being able to use anything local, and the teams stopped socialising. My work wasn't better moving to the new place (but obviously it facilitated more people).

 

Every time i see videos of Seagrave it looks unbelievable. But it doesn't look like somewhere i would want to go to work everyday. Being miles away from anything would fill me with dread. Get me near a city anyway of the week. But then - i'm not a footballer on £80k a week!

Had similar at one of my old workplaces, we moved to a much larger more modern newly built building, but the togetherness of the people, distance to walk to just to get to the canteen and other issues related to the sheer size of the place made it feel like a backwards step, and after a few years working there it was very noticeable staff morale dropped considerably.

[koop.]

There's a reason you've never created a post before isn't there. I'd make that a habit 

[Plastik Man]

3 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Just had some insider info about Seagrave from someone in the know...

 

Firstly he corroborated what we’ve heard in the press - that recently there was a real disconnect between Bodgers, his staff and the playing squad.

 

He claimed a lot of people in the club think the lack of togetherness at Seagrave has been a problem. But if that is the case, surely do something about it - change the lay out, or make them socialise more often, I don’t know… it just seems like an easy excuse. A culture isn’t just based on architecture etc. He also said Spurs have recently build a similar facility but on a smaller plot, and haven’t had these issues (smaller presumably because there is less land available in London).

 

But he also said that because it’s a massive site it will take a lot of money to maintain. There are concerns there won’t be enough income from Championship football to pay for its upkeep. That seems to make sense. How embarrassing would that be btw if parts of it had to be closed, it went into disrepair or we had to move back to Belvoir Drive?!

 

Just sharing as I’ve never been ITK, and although not sure how ITK this is, I thought it was interesting.

It looks like if we do get relegated the golf course will have to be left to the newts!

[sm1]

3 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Just had some insider info about Seagrave from someone in the know...

 

Firstly he corroborated what we’ve heard in the press - that recently there was a real disconnect between Bodgers, his staff and the playing squad.

 

He claimed a lot of people in the club think the lack of togetherness at Seagrave has been a problem. But if that is the case, surely do something about it - change the lay out, or make them socialise more often, I don’t know… it just seems like an easy excuse. A culture isn’t just based on architecture etc. He also said Spurs have recently build a similar facility but on a smaller plot, and haven’t had these issues (smaller presumably because there is less land available in London).

 

But he also said that because it’s a massive site it will take a lot of money to maintain. There are concerns there won’t be enough income from Championship football to pay for its upkeep. That seems to make sense. How embarrassing would that be btw if parts of it had to be closed, it went into disrepair or we had to move back to Belvoir Drive?!

 

Just sharing as I’ve never been ITK, and although not sure how ITK this is, I thought it was interesting.

It's a very good point. 100M cost us one thing but a huge complex like that must also need millions to run. That's fine with a PL budget, but what happens if we're stuck in the Championship for the next 4-5yrs, or God forbid, drop into League 1.

[yorkie1999]

2 hours ago, Shane said:

Thank you for the info.

 

In regards to the lack of togetherness, Seagrave isn't the problem. I doubt the 15/16 squad would be struggling to bond if they were training there. Unfortunately we've signed a lot of bad characters in recent years, who are here for the wrong reasons. Making sure new signings had the right mentality and were a good fit used to be our modus operandi. Hopefully Smith and his team can address this issue and improve our squads mentality.

It’s not the squad , the problem is with the staff and coaches working there or rather don’t want to work there anymore because of the atmosphere.

[Angus Scott]

Not sure if this is right but someone told me that over 500 people work there. Unbelievable

[norwichfox]

4 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Not sure if this is right but someone told me that over 500 people work there. Unbelievable

This is the very reason that there was a 499 seater stand put in, so they can all eat their sandwiches together at lunchtime.

[rico]

It could always house asylum seekers

[Vestan Pance]

I know the training methods etc have been brought into question over the number of injuries we have had, but I did wonder about the possibility that the change in surfaces from Belvoir Drive may be partly to blame? Who knows, I'm sure the pitches will have been laid to whatever the modern standard may be, but are they problematic and maybe causing more stresses than necessary?

[Vestan Pance]

32 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

Not sure if this is right but someone told me that over 500 people work there. Unbelievable

I was told the number of LCFC employees had doubled since 2015.

[Bayfox]

1 hour ago, Vestan Pance said:

I was told the number of LCFC employees had doubled since 2015.

Need nige back to cull the dross

[iancognito]

1 hour ago, Vestan Pance said:

I was told the number of LCFC employees had doubled since 2015.

Yes because as everyone knows you barely need the hospitality staff & all the hangers on in the Championship. I think the total staff was 523 in the end of year accounts but think about the guys oin hi-viz outside the ground with the "Can I help?" boards. Seven layers of management in the stewards - section supervisors, turnstile automation supervisor, 5 goons outside every entrance with paddles - inside you've got waitresses, lackeys, security and a helper for every visiting dignitary. Out on the pitch instead of a groundsman and two helpers with forks, we had 12 assistants at my last count. Drop back down and I guarantee the staff will be under 300 and all the casual help will be down the job centre again.

[Stevosevic]

People actually blaming a building for a lack of togetherness?  

 

If you’ve got the right people there in then the spirit will be just fine. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

4 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Thanks for the info. Sometimes the best place to be isn't the massive shiny state of the art complex. It sounds like something they need to work quite hard on and there might not be an easy fix. I'm a million miles from a top tier sports person, many many years ago the company i worked for moved from a smallish office to a much larger complex in the london docklands area. I hated it. We had a canteen, loads of meeting rooms and lots of space - everything you would think we could have wanted. But i missed the intimacy of the smaller space, missed being able to use anything local, and the teams stopped socialising. My work wasn't better moving to the new place (but obviously it facilitated more people).

 

Every time i see videos of Seagrave it looks unbelievable. But it doesn't look like somewhere i would want to go to work everyday. Being miles away from anything would fill me with dread. Get me near a city anyway of the week. But then - i'm not a footballer on £80k a week!

Good points well made 

[Tuna]

Maybe moving the ladies team there to train would help?

[st albans fox]

Just now, Tuna said:

Maybe moving the ladies team there to train would help?

John Terry is on it apparently……

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

3 hours ago, Plastik Man said:

It looks like if we do get relegated the golf course will have to be left to the newts!

Or a ‘golf day with LCFC stars’ to help pay running costs 🤣