Jimothy Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 2 hours ago, goose2010 said: How many of these players going to Saudi end up on loan at Newcastle in January? Especially if they are still in the champs league. It's so dodgy but no one seems to care. Chelsea will have cleared about 100m of their wage budget this week. Why wait until January? I expect they'll have a couple by the end of August.
goose2010 Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 7 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Why wait until January? I expect they'll have a couple by the end of August. true... i couldnt even tell you when the Saudi league runs.
Popular Post when_you're_smiling Posted 21 June 2023 Popular Post Posted 21 June 2023 1 hour ago, StanSP said: One of their main investors, Clearlake Capital, have linked to PIF/Saudi Arabia. It's dodgy as fvck but not one influential person in the media or PL seem to be batting an eyelid to it. Word is they had to clear a certain amount of money by 30th June to avoid FFP sanctions. How convenient the Saudis stepped in just in time So the Saudi government running Newcastle also have at least a large say at Chelsea. If it wasn’t for having put too much time and emotional energy into Leicester I think I’d just give up on following football. 5
StanSP Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 24 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: So the Saudi government running Newcastle also have at least a large say at Chelsea. If it wasn’t for having put too much time and emotional energy into Leicester I think I’d just give up on following football. Yep!
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 1 hour ago, when_you're_smiling said: So the Saudi government running Newcastle also have at least a large say at Chelsea. If it wasn’t for having put too much time and emotional energy into Leicester I think I’d just give up on following football. Premier league don't care because its just about money. Sky don't care because they've monetised it. Super league in all but name.
when_you're_smiling Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 10 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Premier league don't care because its just about money. Sky don't care because they've monetised it. Super league in all but name. Looking back, the Super League might have been better for football than this if they were all kicked out their domestic leagues. This sums it up quite nicely. https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-fans-too-divided-stop-saudi-pif-qatar-man-utd-sportswashing 1
filbertway Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 1 hour ago, when_you're_smiling said: Looking back, the Super League might have been better for football than this if they were all kicked out their domestic leagues. This sums it up quite nicely. https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-fans-too-divided-stop-saudi-pif-qatar-man-utd-sportswashing I was massively in favour of the super league to be honest, the only reason I didn't want it to happen would be because it would affect the real fans of the clubs sucked into it. I don't know why they don't create a new European with completely new teams/franchises. If it's to appeal to a worldwide audience, they're more bothered about the players than the team. Get it going. I guess the saudi league is likely a beta version of this. They can start taking their league matches around the world and play a whole round of fixtures in a different country. 1
CosbehFox Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 Tbf your journalists what have consistently called it out are following it - Philipe Auclair, Tariq Panja and Nicholas McGeehan. Miguel Dempsey consistently gets abused online. McGheehan is doing a cracking event on Friday - https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/easy-cities-to-buy-sportswashing-the-authoritarian-regime-tickets-650902355467 Panja has pointed out too - that the biggest part of suspicion is that they are overspending on the fees. Neves had nowhere near the competition for his signature worthy of the fee. 1
bovril Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 I think in the next ten years we may get an Indy Car 1990s scenario where you get a split in English football. PL and PL2 dominated by overseas owners, marketed and run like the NFL, and the rest of the clubs keeping the old football league flame alive like a Byzantine despot in the 15th century Balkans. 1
Wymsey Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 (edited) Enjoyed football, generally speaking, the most from the late-nineties to around 2015. Before betting companies, social media so-called 'in the knows' and now Saudi Arabia etc. all, literally ruining the game. Edited 21 June 2023 by Wymsey
Scotch Posted 21 June 2023 Posted 21 June 2023 I was just reading about Malik Tillmans situation at Rangers/Bayern. Not sure how I feel about it. Essentially, he was loaned to Rangers from Bayern with a £6m option to buy. He done well, now Bayern have PL interest in him so they've cancelled the option to buy because PL sides will pay more. They've given Rangers £1m compensation and a 10% cut of his future fee... On one hand, Rangers haven't exactly done bad from it. They got the leagues best young player for a year and will make a few million in the process. On the other hand, clubs shouldn't be able to go back on contracts purely because they can afford it. 2
Nalis Posted 21 June 2023 Author Posted 21 June 2023 2 hours ago, Wymsey said: Enjoyed football, generally speaking, the most from the late-nineties to around *2015. Before betting companies, social media so-called 'in the knows' and now Saudi Arabia etc. all, literally ruining the game. *2016 1
Sly Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 At what point does the Super League happen and what will it look like? I think it becomes more of a reality, when the likes of Saudi try and push / take over. We’ve seen it in golf, so it could happen? European teams have the opportunity to get ahead if they wanted to. Nicer places to live long terms, rather than a desert. I don’t think we’ll see a Premier League 1 / 2 with Championship teams, as the world isn’t going to be that interested in Coventry, Blackpool, Plymouth, Luton etc However could the Premier League embrace it / expand and welcome the big European fan based teams like Celtic, Rangers, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, Marseille, Juventus, Roma, Real Madrid, Athletico, Barcalona, Napoli, Leipzig, Ajax, PSV, Galatasary, Besiktas, Porto, Benfica etc Drawn into two leagues, then some sort of playoff system to determine a champion each season. As the world becomes a closer place, it could even incorporate teams further afield so you get the Newells, Al whatever from Saudi, Grampus 8 etc It’s own streaming service, build ups, each team having an all of nothing documentary each season etc etc Worldwide, we all know it would print money in the long run. It just destroys football as we know it and those that are left out of the cash cow, would be massively against it, as it’s a mail in the coffin for those clubs in terms of future business growth. I mean, once that Tok table is establish, how do you break into / fall out of the “Super League”? The Football Association, FIFA or UEFA wouldn’t have the power to stop it really. All the worlds greatest players would be moving out of the reach and they could practically run a World Cup from players from those clubs. The Premier League was a breakaway which was frowned upon. A further breakaway might actually break the incompetence and potential corruption of the likes of FIFA and UEFA. Worldwide viewing figures would be insane. 450,000,000 watched the Champions League final (three times larger than that of the Superbowl). Can you imagine how that would increase and snow ball with its own platform? Instead of paying Sky boat loads of money, everyone is paying the equivalent of £9.99 without adds or even maybe watching it free, with the constant adds popping up? In a weird kind of way, it also makes football more accessible to people and might stop the rate of piracy, whilst increasing revenue. It would just have the largest butterfly effect of any moment in global sport, ever. So many businesses would suffer overnight. Just think of the impact it would have. Sky in the UK could have people cancelling subscriptions overnight if the big clubs walk away, Football clubs in the UK going bankrupt after TV rights renewal due to less eyes on the product. Sponsorship deals for smaller clubs shrinking. It’s feasible that the shockwaves from it would make clubs outside the Superleague bankrupt quickly. No 3PM blackout to adhere to as the law states “television” I believe. So every game is shown. What impact would that have on lower league attendances?
Footballwipe Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 I'm really militant in my opinion that no one should judge the players for going to make more money elsewhere. We'd all do it and this "I could live on £100k a week, he doesn't need £50m a year" line is just nonsense. We'd all absolutely do it to maximise the small window of our career, get the tax free cash and be comfortable forever. However, the actual grubbiness of the tentacles of Saudi Arabia in the Premier League are a joke. Kinda wouldn't mind if it was like the China effort as they had no skin in the game here in England. But this genuinely is a concern. Problem is is that any mention of it on social media brings the Chelsea, Newcastle, pro-Saudi and any other person who sees no problem with their influence on the English game dressed up as looking after their own league. I guess all we can hope for is delicious failure for both Newcastle and Chelsea so this backfires.
Torquay Gunner Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 I'm with you on your last three paras, but can't accept that players need to go to countries like Saudi Arabia and China for the money. Yes they have a short career, but ultimately premiership players are minted. Throw in advertising/endorsements and it's a gravy train. Provided they don't blow it all on dodgy investments and gambling they are already set up for life. They need to get a fcuking moral compass for crying out loud. Makes me sick.
filbertway Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 11 hours ago, Scotch said: I was just reading about Malik Tillmans situation at Rangers/Bayern. Not sure how I feel about it. Essentially, he was loaned to Rangers from Bayern with a £6m option to buy. He done well, now Bayern have PL interest in him so they've cancelled the option to buy because PL sides will pay more. They've given Rangers £1m compensation and a 10% cut of his future fee... On one hand, Rangers haven't exactly done bad from it. They got the leagues best young player for a year and will make a few million in the process. On the other hand, clubs shouldn't be able to go back on contracts purely because they can afford it. Sounds like Rangers were the ones to suggest the cancellation clause as they were hoping they'd be able to sign him and then cancel Bayern's £9m buyback option People can't just back out of contracts so it seems likely they've both agreed to a cancellation option with the other party being compensated for it if one party triggers it.
purpleronnie Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 3 hours ago, Footballwipe said: I'm really militant in my opinion that no one should judge the players for going to make more money elsewhere. We'd all do it and this "I could live on £100k a week, he doesn't need £50m a year" line is just nonsense. We'd all absolutely do it to maximise the small window of our career, get the tax free cash and be comfortable forever. However, the actual grubbiness of the tentacles of Saudi Arabia in the Premier League are a joke. Kinda wouldn't mind if it was like the China effort as they had no skin in the game here in England. But this genuinely is a concern. Problem is is that any mention of it on social media brings the Chelsea, Newcastle, pro-Saudi and any other person who sees no problem with their influence on the English game dressed up as looking after their own league. I guess all we can hope for is delicious failure for both Newcastle and Chelsea so this backfires. I dont think we all would, because not everyone goes there now. I do wonder how much some footballers care about the game and personnel achievements when they make such moves, it seems to be way down the list, that's sad.
goose2010 Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 So looks like Neves is going straight out on loan to you guess it Newcastle! rumours it could be a two year loan. Great way for Newcastle to get around FFP and them and Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole. Football is broken. 1
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: The gambling ban lasted long then The ban doesn't come into effect until 2026/27. So I'm guessing this is a 3 year deal.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 12 minutes ago, goose2010 said: So looks like Neves is going straight out on loan to you guess it Newcastle! rumours it could be a two year loan. Great way for Newcastle to get around FFP and them and Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole. Football is broken. This needs to be looked into, major issue if they don’t close this off
dmayne7 Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 (edited) At least with Kante going I don't have to hear the uneducated talking about what a great defensive midfielder he was. A position that he never played, or certainly not at his best. Edited 22 June 2023 by dmayne7
The Bear Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 37 minutes ago, dmayne7 said: At least with Kanye going I don't have to hear the uneducated talking about what a great defensive midfielder he was. A position that he never played, or certainly not at his best. 1
st albans fox Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 On 21/06/2023 at 11:21, when_you're_smiling said: So the Saudi government running Newcastle also have at least a large say at Chelsea. If it wasn’t for having put too much time and emotional energy into Leicester I think I’d just give up on following football. I reckon this isn’t so clear cut on a financial level but it is relevant on a person to person level Boehly must have a close relationship with PIF which means he can suggest stuff and backs will be scrubbed to suit both parties 15 hours ago, Scotch said: I was just reading about Malik Tillmans situation at Rangers/Bayern. Not sure how I feel about it. Essentially, he was loaned to Rangers from Bayern with a £6m option to buy. He done well, now Bayern have PL interest in him so they've cancelled the option to buy because PL sides will pay more. They've given Rangers £1m compensation and a 10% cut of his future fee... On one hand, Rangers haven't exactly done bad from it. They got the leagues best young player for a year and will make a few million in the process. On the other hand, clubs shouldn't be able to go back on contracts purely because they can afford it. rangers should have negotiated a better contract - but then they probably wouldn’t have got the loan 2 hours ago, goose2010 said: So looks like Neves is going straight out on loan to you guess it Newcastle! rumours it could be a two year loan. Great way for Newcastle to get around FFP and them and Chelsea seem to have found a loop hole. Football is broken. wolves get a huge fee which they were in danger of not getting if the player saw out his final year next season (Mendes has involvement in wolves - otherwise there is no way that this would be getting done like this ) Not sure if this is so much better for newcastle - if we decide the player is really worth £35-40m, then newcastle would have an annual cost re ffp of £8m/season on a five year deal and they would have an asset they could sell. I would think they will have to pay around £5m/season loan fee. I still think wolves are the big winners here not surprised by this whole set up re Saudi - there is no way that funds can be traced effectively by western authorities as an example - top can’t just invest cash into the club but he could find a way of sending £25m to someone in Saudi and then we sell wilf there for £40m. interesting to see how much Bernardo silva is sold by Man City for if he goes there ? You’d say it could be a £60/70m deal but no one will be surprised to see it go through closer to £100m (Abu Dhabi managing to get 30/40m extra into Man City) does the Saudi league run the same months as Western European leagues ?
goose2010 Posted 22 June 2023 Posted 22 June 2023 4 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I reckon this isn’t so clear cut on a financial level but it is relevant on a person to person level Boehly must have a close relationship with PIF which means he can suggest stuff and backs will be scrubbed to suit both parties rangers should have negotiated a better contract - but then they probably wouldn’t have got the loan wolves get a huge fee which they were in danger of not getting if the player saw out his final year next season (Mendes has involvement in wolves - otherwise there is no way that this would be getting done like this ) Not sure if this is so much better for newcastle - if we decide the player is really worth £35-40m, then newcastle would have an annual cost re ffp of £8m/season on a five year deal and they would have an asset they could sell. I would think they will have to pay around £5m/season loan fee. I still think wolves are the big winners here not surprised by this whole set up re Saudi - there is no way that funds can be traced effectively by western authorities as an example - top can’t just invest cash into the club but he could find a way of sending £25m to someone in Saudi and then we sell wilf there for £40m. interesting to see how much Bernardo silva is sold by Man City for if he goes there ? You’d say it could be a £60/70m deal but no one will be surprised to see it go through closer to £100m (Abu Dhabi managing to get 30/40m extra into Man City) does the Saudi league run the same months as Western European leagues ? runs august to may so the same as the western leagues really. So if players do come on loan back to the prem then it surely needs investigating. Interesting that the President and CEO on the Saudi league is a guy called Garry Cook who used to be CEO at Man City the head of player recruitment and basically got Man City their first wave of 'stars' he is a right dodgy character and was sacked for insensitive email allegations towards a player's mother.
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