Stadt Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 10 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Wooooah there Wookie !! ..... I'll bet you a shiney pound it damn well will be repeated ! ... (and you know the odds I want ). Specifically I meant it won't be repeated elsewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 16 minutes ago, Wookie said: Specifically I meant it won't be repeated elsewhere! Who said I only meant us !! .... Aha !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Pen saved. Some justice in that as it was outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Zaha been offered £110k p/w to stay at crystal palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Romero having a good night for Utd. Hopefully Mourinho will decide he doesn't need Kasper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 4 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: It's turning into Doctor Who at Watford keep changing the lead actor nearly every season, of course it'll be another Italian going there. Can't see Ranieri going to be honest think there a little too small for him, would Capello going there be impossible? Watford too small for Ranieri but not small enough for Capello? you back on the drink mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Well that was a waste of time, 0-0 Soton & Utd. Looks like 9th is probably about as good as we will do, more likely 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 It does feel like that Mourinho has made Man Utd one of the most dull and unconvincing sides a big club with their budget has produced. Their season can be defined as a failure if they lose in the Europa League final, a League Cup triumph and 6th place is disappointing based on their past successes and tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Are United fans happy with their last two seasons? The impression I get is that they are not. But they've won the FA Cup, the League Cup, and potentially will win the Europa League. How can you be unhappy with 3 trophies in 2 seasons? It's not the Premier League trophy or Champions League trophy, but it's still silverware, it's more than most clubs get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 8 minutes ago, FireFox said: Are United fans happy with their last two seasons? The impression I get is that they are not. But they've won the FA Cup, the League Cup, and potentially will win the Europa League. How can you be unhappy with 3 trophies in 2 seasons? It's not the Premier League trophy or Champions League trophy, but it's still silverware, it's more than most clubs get. I think it's more to do with the dull and boring football that Van Gaal and Mourinho have had them playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 10 minutes ago, FireFox said: Are United fans happy with their last two seasons? The impression I get is that they are not. But they've won the FA Cup, the League Cup, and potentially will win the Europa League. How can you be unhappy with 3 trophies in 2 seasons? It's not the Premier League trophy or Champions League trophy, but it's still silverware, it's more than most clubs get. The fact they aren't close to winning the 2 most prized trophies is why they aren't happy, utd don't see themselves as just another club though, they're used to winning the top prize. Nothing wrong with wanting to be the best and being unhappy when they fail. And Rob's correct it is the style of play that's a big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 5 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: The fact they aren't close to winning the 2 most prized trophies is why they aren't happy, utd don't see themselves as just another club though, they're used to winning the top prize. Nothing wrong with wanting to be the best and being unhappy when they fail. And Rob's correct it is the style of play that's a big problem. I understand that. I just would have expected them to realize that since losing Sir Alex Ferguson, they are either (a) in a transition period - and yet still winning the 'lesser' trophies - or (b) not actually the best club in England anymore and shouldn't be "wanting to be the best and being unhappy when they fail" - they should have more realistic expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 It's not just that though, they haven't at any stage been in contention for the title. If they were in the title race and lost in the last few games I think they would be happier than they are now without having won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 25 minutes ago, FireFox said: Are United fans happy with their last two seasons? The impression I get is that they are not. But they've won the FA Cup, the League Cup, and potentially will win the Europa League. How can you be unhappy with 3 trophies in 2 seasons? It's not the Premier League trophy or Champions League trophy, but it's still silverware, it's more than most clubs get. Mourhino's not far off with them... they get a couple of additions over the summer (Bale and Griezman) that helps them unlock doors and they'll be a horrible team to play against. The squad that Van Gaal built and Mourhino inherited was so imbalanced (very questionable defence, lacking midfield, questionable striker overload) it needed a season to evolve it. Trying to do it in one window would have been too risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 16 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: Mourhino's not far off with them... they get a couple of additions over the summer (Bale and Griezman) that helps them unlock doors and they'll be a horrible team to play against. The squad that Van Gaal built and Mourhino inherited was so imbalanced (very questionable defence, lacking midfield, questionable striker overload) it needed a season to evolve it. Trying to do it in one window would have been too risky. I've seen quite a few people say they're not far off but to me they are. How many players in that team can you truly say are good enough to play for United? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: I've seen quite a few people say they're not far off but to me they are. How many players in that team can you truly say are good enough to play for United? De Gea, Bailly, Valencia, Herrera, Pogba, Rashford, Martial and Ibra. There's still a lot of work to do and they've spent poorly but if they turn their draws into wins which they're capable of doing then they can certainly challenge. Arguably Mourinho is the biggest problem currently and not the squad, they're not attacking enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Yeah United should bin Mourinho, go out and get Ancelotti or Jardim and just buy some decent defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Just now, Wookie said: De Gea, Bailly, Valencia, Herrera, Pogba, Rashford, Martial and Ibra. There's still a lot of work to do and they've spent poorly but if they turn their draws into wins which they're capable of doing then they can certainly challenge. Arguably Mourinho is the biggest problem currently and not the squad, they're not attacking enough. OK De Gea is leaving, Valencia and Ibra are coming to the end of the careers, Pogba has been nothing more than average and Rashford is too young to have too much responsibility. They have some decent players don't get me wrong but do they have enough players to turn these draws into wins? Agree about Mourinho, loved him at Chelsea but he's becoming a parody of himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: OK De Gea is leaving, Valencia and Ibra are coming to the end of the careers, Pogba has been nothing more than average and Rashford is too young to have too much responsibility. They have some decent players don't get me wrong but do they have enough players to turn these draws into wins? Agree about Mourinho, loved him at Chelsea but he's becoming a parody of himself That's the thing though to win the league you don't need to have fantastic players in every position if you're outstanding collectively. Victor Moses, Wes Morgan and Shinji Okazaki aren't title winners iusually but when they're part of a defensively resolute system that creates enough then a league title isn't out of reach. Mourinho hasn't got this United side playing better than the sum of its parts but he's capable especially if he loosens the reins a tad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Just now, Wookie said: That's the thing though to win the league you don't need to have fantastic players in every position if you're outstanding collectively. Victor Moses, Wes Morgan and Shinji Okazaki aren't title winners iusually but when they're part of a defensively resolute system that creates enough then a league title isn't out of reach. Mourinho hasn't got this United side playing better than the sum of its parts but he's capable especially if he loosens the reins a tad. He needs to loosen them a lot. There is potential in the squad no doubt but I think Mourinho stifles it with too much tactics if that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 5 hours ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Apparently he smoked in the dressing room & on the coach? Can you confirm this? I will not miss Mazzarri's Italian-style, non-English post-match interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 26 minutes ago, Wookie said: That's the thing though to win the league you don't need to have fantastic players in every position if you're outstanding collectively. Victor Moses, Wes Morgan and Shinji Okazaki aren't title winners iusually but when they're part of a defensively resolute system that creates enough then a league title isn't out of reach. Mourinho hasn't got this United side playing better than the sum of its parts but he's capable especially if he loosens the reins a tad. Agree with this... but what United don't quite have yet is the number of special players you need alongside the supporting cast to get them over the line... and that's shown simply by the number of draws this season. Pogba didn't show much this year and Ibra as good as he is can imbalance a side in other areas. I also ponder whether that shown mentaility wise, the squad is a bit weak - possibly why Mourhino is having a go at people like Shaw and doesn't really fancy Darmian / Smalling, by the looks of things. Mourhino may have got lucky with Zlatan's injury too... because it may lead him to trust Rashford more going into next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 Are people really still saying Pogba has been poor this season? Can't believe that's still a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: I will not miss Mazzarri's Italian-style, non-English post-match interviews. It's crap really. As many of our imported players have found, it doesn't take *that* much effort to just ignore the interviewer's question and pop out the local lingo for: I very appy Team plays very well first half Second half is difficult We try to win Is very positive In fact, if you add "we dream" and "zlowly", it pretty much sounds like the full Ranieri repertoire. Learning a phrase or three in another language isn't that difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 17 May 2017 Share Posted 17 May 2017 50 minutes ago, Samilktray said: Are people really still saying Pogba has been poor this season? Can't believe that's still a thing You don't think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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