Time to name Shakes permanent manager?

[Clever Fox]

Even though he got the Tactics wrong against Athletico I still believe he's the right man for us at this moment in time. He's probably the best man to talk the senior players into staying for another shot at the title. Keep the nucleus of the Team release the obvious ones and add a few top quality players for the positions we know off. Then use the young talent at the club to make up the rest of the panel.  

[Mease]

4 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

 

Looks like title winning form to me.

[eddylcfc]

14 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Even though he got the Tactics wrong against Athletico I still believe he's the right man for us at this moment in time. He's probably the best man to talk the senior players into staying for another shot at the title. Keep the nucleus of the Team release the obvious ones and add a few top quality players for the positions we know off. Then use the young talent at the club to make up the rest of the panel.  

 

Tactics wrong?

 

Lost the first leg due to a refereeing error. 

 

Second leg he changed the system and personnel which got us back into the game and ultimately we were very unlucky not to actually win the game.

 

Baffled as to how you think he got it wrong tactically??

[WigstonWanderer]

9 minutes ago, Mease said:

Looks like title winning form to me.

Just like the great escape! We know what happens next

[Mease]

2 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Just like the great escape!

 

[BenTheFox]

21 minutes ago, eddylcfc said:

 

Tactics wrong?

 

Lost the first leg due to a refereeing error. 

 

Second leg he changed the system and personnel which got us back into the game and ultimately we were very unlucky not to actually win the game.

 

Baffled as to how you think he got it wrong tactically??

Agreed. Tactics are just a part of football. We ultimately lost because Atletico are better than us, we didn't lose for any tactical reason. 

[bald reynard]

1 hour ago, Mease said:

Looks like title winning form to me.

The more I think about it, the more I think it was Shaky who REALLY won us the Title last season, not Claudio.  What he's done this last couple of months, is restored the team's best style of play, passion, commitment, fitness, desire, camaraderie and winning mentality.  Perhaps it was him (and, to be fair Stowell - who I never rated) who did all that last season - and Claudio was just the 'front man' - the figurehead, the PR man - who did all the media stuff ?

 

SHAKY HAS TO GET THE JOB - and sooner rather than later, to build us up for next season !  He also needs to get some Coaching support - bring back Chris Powell as Assistant Manager, before Pearson drags him off to Middlesbrough !  

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, bald reynard said:

The more I think about it, the more I think it was Shaky who REALLY won us the Title last season, not Claudio.  What he's done this last couple of months, is restored the team's best style of play, passion, commitment, fitness, desire, camaraderie and winning mentality.  Perhaps it was him (and, to be fair Stowell - who I never rated) who did all that last season - and Claudio was just the 'front man' - the figurehead, the PR man - who did all the media stuff ?

 

SHAKY HAS TO GET THE JOB - and sooner rather than later, to build us up for next season !  He also needs to get some Coaching support - bring back Chris Powell as Assistant Manager, before Pearson drags him off to Middlesbrough !  

This is something I agree with- and also see if Philips wants to come back from Derby. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

In the games I've been to, I'm surprised the crowd haven't been more vocal in support of Shakey getting the job. Aside from the occasional 'Shakey give us a wave' from a small section in the Kop.

[casablancas]

7 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

 

But ... but... where are spurs???

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, bald reynard said:

The more I think about it, the more I think it was Shaky who REALLY won us the Title last season, not Claudio.  What he's done this last couple of months, is restored the team's best style of play, passion, commitment, fitness, desire, camaraderie and winning mentality.  Perhaps it was him (and, to be fair Stowell - who I never rated) who did all that last season - and Claudio was just the 'front man' - the figurehead, the PR man - who did all the media stuff ?

 

SHAKY HAS TO GET THE JOB - and sooner rather than later, to build us up for next season !  He also needs to get some Coaching support - bring back Chris Powell as Assistant Manager, before Pearson drags him off to Middlesbrough !  

A lot of things came out when Claudio was sacked, read an article by Kevin Phillips who was saying Ranieri would change training at the last moment but refuse to take the session, meaning Shakey would be left to put the pieces together 

 

[gurru991]

Shakey has so much class !!! I firmly believe he deserves a one year contract as manager to see what he can do.

[Guest Col city fan]

5 hours ago, Mease said:

Looks like title winning form to me.

Looking at those stats, I can't see how anyone can have any doubts about Shakey? What more do people think he could have done?

He took a squad in free-fall, who hadn't scored in 2107 and looked disjointed and like losing every game, and turned them round to get the best set of recent stats in the division.

What more do people want?

[Ted Maul]

3 hours ago, casablancas said:

But ... but... where are spurs???

They have 24 I think. As great as our form has been, we're not the form team as the tweet implied.

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, casablancas said:

But ... but... where are spurs???

Actually that's a good point. Something wrong with that table.

[weller54]

5 hours ago, casablancas said:

But ... but... where are spurs???

Disappeared up their own arseole! 

[brucey]

1 hour ago, Ted Maul said:

They have 24 I think. As great as our form has been, we're not the form team as the tweet implied.

Yeah, misleading (and inaccurate) tweet.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:premier-league/form/matches:10/type:home-and-away/

Last 10 games:

Spurs 27

Leicester 22

Chelsea 22

Liverpool 21

Man U 20

[Thracian]

6 hours ago, bald reynard said:

The more I think about it, the more I think it was Shaky who REALLY won us the Title last season, not Claudio.  What he's done this last couple of months, is restored the team's best style of play, passion, commitment, fitness, desire, camaraderie and winning mentality.  Perhaps it was him (and, to be fair Stowell - who I never rated) who did all that last season - and Claudio was just the 'front man' - the figurehead, the PR man - who did all the media stuff ?

 

SHAKY HAS TO GET THE JOB - and sooner rather than later, to build us up for next season !  He also needs to get some Coaching support - bring back Chris Powell as Assistant Manager, before Pearson drags him off to Middlesbrough !  

Shakespeare should decide who he wants to work with.  

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

I've got an old mate texting me saying that although he thinks sacking Ranieri was unethical, top 10 is a great result (which it is)

Then he goes on to say we're not a mid table team so the sacking was still wrong

If we have a good season next year, qualify for Europe, can jam it so hard down so many throats. And if we do it under Shakespeare people will have to admit the club is what it is and can take CR down from the cross

 

[Chester Dontlie]

Shakey's the man. As far as I'm concerned he saved the club from embarassment. When we were looking clueless and hopeless, he delivered. Deserves the job. Besides, I don't expect CL quality managers come knocking after we finish top 10, or 8th even.

[WigstonWanderer]

One of the reasons big name managers are not appropriate is that they do a completely different job. It is one thing to deliver top 4 finishes when having access to virtually unlimited resources. It is quite another to work successfully on a (relative) shoestring budget.

 

No one will convince me that Pep, or Jose would necessarily make a fist of managing at Leicester City for instance.

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

One of the reasons big name managers are not appropriate is that they do a completely different job. It is one thing to deliver top 4 finishes when having access to virtually unlimited resources. It is quite another to work successfully on a (relative) shoestring budget.

 

No one will convince me that Pep, or Jose would necessarily make a fist of managing at Leicester City for instance.

Exactly,  even with multi millions to spend, Pep and Jose hardly look best manager in the world material do they!

[Rob1742]

It's one of them where you have to give him the job, but he has only done certain elements of it, so we don't know the outcome.

 

I said this before, he isn't a spring chicken and there would be certain things that have held him back from going for managaers jobs before. If he really had the desire to be a manager, he would have left us years ago to pursue that aim.

 

The best start young, and so I think it may go wrong when he gets to deal with a whole new set of situations that he isn't used to dealing with.

 

Lovely fella, but because he has not ventured into this arena before, I am unsure if he will be any good.

 

But they are bound to pick him as manager based on him taking everything back to how it was pre Ranieri and getting the results.

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, Rob1742 said:

It's one of them where you have to give him the job, but he has only done certain elements of it, so we don't know the outcome.

 

I said this before, he isn't a spring chicken and there would be certain things that have held him back from going for managaers jobs before. If he really had the desire to be a manager, he would have left us years ago to pursue that aim.

 

The best start young, and so I think it may go wrong when he gets to deal with a whole new set of situations that he isn't used to dealing with.

 

Lovely fella, but because he has not ventured into this arena before, I am unsure if he will be any good.

 

But they are bound to pick him as manager based on him taking everything back to how it was pre Ranieri and getting the results.

I have to agree with you here Rob. The chances of him succeeding long term as a manager are historically against him too, but you kind of feel like he's earnt the right for a longer crack with us. What is in his favour is we aren't your average club, there's something uniquely special that has formed from the crossover of the Pearson and Ranieri years and the one constant amongst a group of maverick players is Craig Shakespeare. I'm not sure what our club needs to be doing long term, whether we need to move away from the old guard we have in this squad or we try and compliment it and resource every last ounce out of it until we're all dead. It's a tough one but there's a calming influence under Shakespeare and I don't feel anywhere near as bewildered as I did under the last few months of the Ranieri era.

 

The only sort of setup that might make me consider going against Shakespeare would be someone like Rodger Schmidt, whose obviously a vastly talented manager and could build us a new dominant era, but there's still a risk. We're still a weird club where big names and expected things just don't happen and that's why still having Shakespeare is so vastly crucial to us.

 

I'll leave it to the owners to decide, it's probably a forgone conclusion, he deserves the gig.

[shen]

On 4/5/2017 at 10:54, Izzy Muzzett said:

I wish the footballing world would stop writing players off as soon as they reach 30. That was maybe relevant and true 20 years ago, but times have changed.

 

With the advances in the modern game including training methods, diet, recovery, nutrition, sports science etc, I'd suggest 35 is the new 30 these days.

 

I'd also suggest the likes of Shinji, Vards, Albrighton etc. are now in their prime rather than reaching the end of their careers.

 

Still plenty of quality players in the PL playing well into their mid-late 30's these days...

I would hope so, he's only 27! But obviously, the problem with someone like Vardy is that his main strength is his pace, which enables him to do what he does and be a threat. Once his pace starts degrading, he will likely become less effective. As much as I rate him, I think he would struggle to be effective in a different role. Okazaki was never the fastest player anyway, but he's a fit individual and endurance can last longer than flat out pace. Hence cyclists for example don't reach their prime until end-20s, start-30s.

 

On 4/5/2017 at 23:37, foxhateram said:

I'm not sure they were Walsh signings. Gray maybe? But Slim, Musa and Mendy just don't seem to fit our usual mould, especially Slim. It doesn't feel like there was enough research done on them. I.e Slim's reoccuring injury.

Slim doesn't fit our mold? I would say he fits it very well actually. His foreign background means he probably needs more time to adapt, but other than that he's taken a similar route up through the levels like Vardy, Mahrez, Kanté etc. He's a fighter, team player and a hard worker. His injury record wasn't bad prior to joining, so I don't see what was wrong with his recruitment.

Mendy, I believe, has been unfortunate and hopefully he can still come good or at the very least we could cut our losses. When we were linked, he looked very much a Walsh type player. On the face of it he looked a Kanté replacement, but we've not really had a chance to see him properly yet.

Musa I can see why was brought in. Partly as backup to Vardy, partly as an option on the wing. It hasn't worked out and now he has Gray and even Chilwell in front of him in the pecking order.