st albans fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 On 23/05/2017 at 22:58, Tuna said: Here's a strange thing. Marco Silva is linked with all the jobs under the sun, fails at Hull and is relegated. No matter what you say, it's on his CV. He failed and was relegated. Paul Clement saves Swansea from certain relegation yet no one talks about linking him with other jobs. And he's coached at Real Madrid and Bayern Munich so he's got excellent pedigree! It's all nonsense, there is plenty of good British managers out there they just need a chance and an opportunity. clement is under contract silva is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Did Clement really fail at Derby though? BTW, Garry Monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Garry Monk all the way for me. I think he has it in him to build a club over 4-5 years if given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sionnach gorm Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 There are a lot of good names mentioned and many others come up with the fly in the ointment. Generally speaking managers, even good ones, will have a bad experience or two. I don't think that inherently invalidates one from being a good manager. I generally judge by looking at the play and tactics of a manager. As much as I don't like Mourinho, I do think he's a great manager. I had to admit that when I saw Inter beat Guardiola's Barcelona; when Barcelona had way better players. I realized then that as a tactician he was very good. Perhaps his being a w@nker is his worst trait. Players tend to dislike him and that becomes his Achilles heel. Anyway, I do agree that results matter, but you cannot ignore a manager that can make something out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 I've find some of the criticism Shakey has had recently to be really bizarre. It's not really his fault that we don't really have any strength in depth. Our starting XI is decent, though maybe a few too maybe a few too many players over thirty, but our squad beyond that is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 42 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: I've find some of the criticism Shakey has had recently to be really bizarre. It's not really his fault that we don't really have any strength in depth. Our starting XI is decent, though maybe a few too maybe a few too many players over thirty, but our squad beyond that is poor. I think people are just concerned that Shakey won't be able to attract the type of players we need due to his lack of recognition. Also people may see it as risky going into a new season with an inexperienced manager with the possibility that the form we did pick up under him was just an initial bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 How important is the manager in attracting players? I think the pull of the league and the money in it is the most important thing in that regard. Benteke isn't signing for Palace because he wants to play for Alan Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 Shakey all day long please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 5 hours ago, Dan LCFC said: How important is the manager in attracting players? I think the pull of the league and the money in it is the most important thing in that regard. Benteke isn't signing for Palace because he wants to play for Alan Pardew. This. Also, it's not really about attracting 'big name' players. It's about signing players that improve the squad and that will buy into the ethos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieLodge96 Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 I would give it to Shakey. But Marco Silva is still a good manager and would probably be able to get Maguire to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 This idea that you have to be a "big name" manager to attract "big name" players is nonsense. A player needs to be convinced he'll be part of something successful and that he will benefit as a result. A "big name" sometimes helps offer that impression but they're soon found out in the end, while the star of a lesser name can easily be seen to be climbing. Good terms and decent conditions can be a tempting persuader in either instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 1 hour ago, Thracian said: This idea that you have to be a "big name" manager to attract "big name" players is nonsense. A player needs to be convinced he'll be part of something successful and that he will benefit as a result. A "big name" sometimes helps offer that impression but they're soon found out in the end, while the star of a lesser name can easily be seen to be climbing. Good terms and decent conditions can be a tempting persuader in either instance. "Big name" managers are just that because (generally) they have succeeded in the past and are more likely to to achieve success again in the future rather than be "found out in the end". You mentioned yesterday about expensive signings being, in the main, more likely to succeed than the cheaper options. Surely the same applies to managers. Just because Sousa and Sven didn't work out for us we can't just refuse to go down that path again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 43 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: "Big name" managers are just that because (generally) they have succeeded in the past and are more likely to to achieve success again in the future rather than be "found out in the end". You mentioned yesterday about expensive signings being, in the main, more likely to succeed than the cheaper options. Surely the same applies to managers. Just because Sousa and Sven didn't work out for us we can't just refuse to go down that path again. I can't remember saying that but rather that if quality costs nothing then fine but if the quality costs a lot then sometimes it's well worth paying for. Plenty of top name managers have failed in different circumstances just as some have succeeded due to a greater or lesser extent because of the level of financial backing they've had. Indeed you might think it impossible to fail with some budgets but the reality is that failures abound because others have strong budgets or because a really good manager can sometimes make something out of nothing, in a relative sense. I've never said "never" concerning a "name" manager. Nor thought it. I just don't think our circumstances are right for doing anything but appointing Shakespeare at the moment. As far as Leicester is concerned he is the "name" manager to me and the man best placed to take us forward. I'll speak differently if circumstances change but, for now, I've every faith in the guy and no greater faith in anyone else who might be available as a "name" or otherwise. Indeed I'm more concerned with us getting on with the job and doing all we can to avoid the mess we made last closed season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 2 hours ago, hackneyfox said: "Big name" managers are just that because (generally) they have succeeded in the past and are more likely to to achieve success again in the future rather than be "found out in the end". You mentioned yesterday about expensive signings being, in the main, more likely to succeed than the cheaper options. Surely the same applies to managers. Just because Sousa and Sven didn't work out for us we can't just refuse to go down that path again. There's truth in what is being said here but I think it's about getting a right fit. Mourinho, for example, I think would be a disaster here. He wouldn't have anywhere near the kind of backing he usually gets. Schmidt for example is a relatively big name (not as big as say Mancini) yet I think he would fit us. I'm personally not bothered by the name. If they fit us then it's all good. If they're a name as well then it can't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/craig-shakespeare-still-limbo-over-10506345 Get Football updates directly to your inbox + Subscribe Craig Shakespeare will spend the weekend at the Monaco Grand Prix before finding out if he will remain in the fast lane. Shakespeare is in the south of France with Leicester's first team squad for an end of season jaunt. They are being hosted by the club's Thai owners after reaching the Champions League last 16 and staying up. Shakespeare, 53, guided City to 12th with seven Premier League wins from 13 games after being promoted from assistant when Claudio Ranieri was axed. Jamie Vardy celebrates his goal (Photo: Ross Kinnaird) But MirrorSport understands Shakespeare is still yet to learn whether he has definitely got the job permanently for next season. Leicester's stars, who won the title last season, admitted after the final day draw with Bournemouth they were unsure whether Shakespeare would get the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 Anyone who thinks David Wagner is just all about possesion needs to watch the game Newcastle 2-1 Huddersfield. Wagner deployed a counter attacking tactic as Huddersfield defended deep and hit Newcastle on the break. This shows that's he's tactically flexible to the situation he is in and we know from the two years he's been at Huddersfield that he improves players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 Here...! Here is something to ponder, something to get your jelly-baby brains around... If you thought that a certain Claudio Ranieri, had learnt his mistakes, and realised his error was trying to make our group of players into Italian master class wizzards. and has seen the light, that what he had in that wonderous 1st season could still produce for him, with more the Mongrel spirit, with less a tweek of Italian nous. Would you take Claudio back,if he knowingly shown, there is another way, of developing this team, with Shakey his 2nd man....ready to create an untouchable tactical pair..... I am lying in my hospi bed...so you can throw the cauliflowers,and rotten rest through the window..... We gave Pearson a 2nd chance, why not Claudio.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 3 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: Here...! Here is something to ponder, something to get your jelly-baby brains around... If you thought that a certain Claudio Ranieri, had learnt his mistakes, and realised his error was trying to make our group of players into Italian master class wizzards. and has seen the light, that what he had in that wonderous 1st season could still produce for him, with more the Mongrel spirit, with less a tweek of Italian nous. Would you take Claudio back,if he knowingly shown, there is another way, of developing this team, with Shakey his 2nd man....ready to create an untouchable tactical pair..... I am lying in my hospi bed...so you can throw the cauliflowers,and rotten rest through the window..... We gave Pearson a 2nd chance, why not Claudio.... No, the players and his relationship is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARCHER Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 21 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: Here...! Here is something to ponder, something to get your jelly-baby brains around... If you thought that a certain Claudio Ranieri, had learnt his mistakes, and realised his error was trying to make our group of players into Italian master class wizzards. and has seen the light, that what he had in that wonderous 1st season could still produce for him, with more the Mongrel spirit, with less a tweek of Italian nous. Would you take Claudio back,if he knowingly shown, there is another way, of developing this team, with Shakey his 2nd man....ready to create an untouchable tactical pair..... I am lying in my hospi bed...so you can throw the cauliflowers,and rotten rest through the window..... We gave Pearson a 2nd chance, why not Claudio.... Are you in the Brandon Unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sionnach gorm Posted 26 May 2017 Share Posted 26 May 2017 I'd take clement over monk (if there was that choice to make). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chico1958 Posted 27 May 2017 Share Posted 27 May 2017 Well it's not going to be Silva Wagner-Stamm anybody ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 27 May 2017 Share Posted 27 May 2017 19 minutes ago, Chico1958 said: Well it's not going to be Silva Wagner-Stamm anybody ? Big Dave for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfosse Posted 27 May 2017 Share Posted 27 May 2017 6 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Big Dave for me Really? I'd never have guessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 27 May 2017 Share Posted 27 May 2017 We need this sorting asap we will be falling behind other clubs vying for the signature of a player we're both going for, as a player you'd sign for a club with a manager in place hardly give you any confidence in a club without a manager !! We need to act now either sign up Shakespeare or get someone else in the role let's strengthen this great club now not try in a few weeks time !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 27 May 2017 Share Posted 27 May 2017 As most know I have advocated keeping Shakey on but the worst answer you can give is no answer at all. If we don't appoint Shakey and have no one lined up, we lose important time in preparation of next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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