Reasons to keep Shakespeare

[winteriscoming]

5 minutes ago, Lestoh1 said:

Ranieri was treated horrifically by the players, the club and sections of the support.

 

The club will only move forward when no players and staff are left from the title win and the club can take a totally new direction

 

It was barmy to promote shakey to full time manager just on his bounce. Rarely if ever works and was in my opinion an easy cop out at board level to mske everyone happy in the short term.

I agree with what your saying apart from the players we would have nothing in my opinion up front without vardy. Mahrez gets a lot of criticism but he's our most creative player when he can be bothered. We haven't developed and moved forward since winning the league whereas it seems like everyone else has. Obviously time will tell with the new signings but I'm less than convinced. 

[Gazza M]

The club will only move forward when sentiment is put to one side. Usually when a re-build on the playing side in a club occurs it is brought about by a relegation. I fear unless we lose sentiment we will be doing just this. If not this season, the one next. I could just imagine us scraping to safety this year with two or three games left and then "showing faith" in Shakey and the current crop and roling out Simpson, Morgan and Fuchs for another year on sentiment. 

 

The club missed a trick in the summer in my opinion. We needed new blood on the management and coaching side completely from top to bottom. People who would have no attachment to the past and what had gone before. Most importantly picking people on current ability and potential and even more importantly a new idea tactically. 

 

No overhaul was required in the playing side, just new direction and somebody who would allow squad development and natural progression. In my opinion a new man would not be carrying on with Wes, King, Fuchs as first choice and out of fitness James whose body can't clearly hack the intensity of Premier league football. Neither relying on Jamie Vardy as only outlet over the top. An experienced manager would also have let Riyad go as his presence this year has cast a shadow over everyone else I believe.

 

In summary the only reason to keep Shakey is that is what was decided in the summer. But if we spend time in the bottom three soon then get rid ASAP. 

I'm not calling for overhaul. 4 or 5 signings were fine, just a different rudder stearing the boat back in the close season. 

[Great Boos Up]

There are no reasons to keep any manager. We sacked a title winning one. Shakey was appointed temporary to step in and get results, which he did. But that should have been job done. Conceding 6 to spuds on the last game showed that it should have been temporary and that his normal role is as our best assistant coach. It took an age to appoint him permanent which means we were looking. This seemed to go under the radar a bit as there was a PL managers job up for grabs!

Another loss may mean bottom three which not our ambition and he will lose the job and we lose both manager and assistant coach.

Step up Appleton and here we go again until relegated.

[Wymsey]

Hoping he uses this international break to assess what he has done wrong and uses the players correctly in a way that each unit is stable and allows the team to effectively drive forward.

[Babylon]

On 06/10/2017 at 15:09, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This is hard to accept as a fan, but  as you say the more we see of it the more the likelihood is that is what is happening.

 

If so it fits with the belief that Ranieri was thrown under the bus by the players, and press slating them was the incentive they needed to turn things around.

 

This theory by definition does mean that Shakes was no good last season either as the upturn was nothing to do with him? ?

I don't think they threw him under the bus, I just think it comes part and parcel with a load of average players pulling off the biggest result in sporting history. Getting that desire back to the levels we have it before is difficult, I know they are professionals. But most of them know that's the most they will ever achieve without question. 

[Gazza M]

On ‎06‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 23:02, Wymeswold fox said:

Hoping he uses this international break to assess what he has done wrong and uses the players correctly in a way that each unit is stable and allows the team to effectively drive forward.

I hope your right. I only see Shakey plodding on unfortunately until he is told enough is enough. I just hope they can put on a bit of a performance against WBA and get a win.

[Hanan96]

On 10/2/2017 at 01:17, The Doctor said:

Nah, Liverpool wasted the chance to put us to the sword, don't remember us wasting many chances vs Arsenal, or besides the penalty vs Liverpool (and liverpool missed just as good a chance when cans shot bounced out to Salah).

 

Played against big clubs... great thing about when we get smashed by distinctly mediocre sides next month is people won't be able to hold up this excuse. We started abysmally against all 4, didn't get going until the game was gone vs Liverpool or Chelsea, got away with it vs Huddersfield and somehow got lucky enough to not lose massively at Bournemouth. Whether we've played big clubs is irrelevant, the issue is not the points tally, it's that our manager has all the nouse of a dead gerbil. Coutinho rips us apart in the cup? Makes no attempt to counteract that in the league, surprise surprise, he runs the show with so much freedom you'd have thought Soulsby gave him the key to the city pre-match. Start slowly in every match having said that the only way we can play is to get at teams from the off? He either can't set a side up or can't motivate them. 

don't remember our wasted chances againts arsenal? including vardy's one on one with petr cech?

 

if we got defeated easily by mediocre sides, not even smashed, its a good reason to give shakespare a warning, and consider his job. So far, it didnt happen yet.

 

we start abymisally againts all 4? I don't think so. Were we start abimisaly, we should lose by 3 or more goals. When facing liverpool, we could fight them well during first half, while we will lead againts chelsea were slimani shot weren't saved. Againts huddersfield and bournemouth, while I do agree we don't play that well, but we are playing away. We did play counter attacking style, which is not that shocking for us to get attacked many times. Given our poor quality in central midfield, I don't think we cant really play with much luxury. King is more an attacking midfield, Iborra still struggling with injury those days. we have no more quality in central midfielder as yet.

 

Coutinho ripped us apart during cup games. take a look at our squad and lineup, what option we got for cup matches? do you want to play simpson every match and got him burnout just like huth, morgan, drinkwater did last season? I can see you will critize him anyway were he play his best squad in cup matches by saying that he's affraid to rotate player. and when he did, we don't have that good backup player, then you critize him again.

 

I'm not saying he's doing great job neither bad ones. I said that he need more chances for now, as the schedule are not so friendly. matches againts west brown and leeds were good to observe his job, considering those are home matches, and we got iborra back to the sides. againts swansea, we could asses the way we play considering its away match.

 

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Hanan96 said:

don't remember our wasted chances againts arsenal? including vardy's one on one with petr cech?

 

Translation: I don't know what the word many means...

 

we start abymisally againts all 4? I don't think so. Were we start abimisaly, we should lose by 3 or more goals. When facing liverpool, we could fight them well during first half, while we will lead againts chelsea were slimani shot weren't saved. Againts huddersfield and bournemouth, while I do agree we don't play that well, but we are playing away.

 

You genuinely think that we didn't start abysmally? What games were you watching? We were getting torn apart by Liverpool first half (as we'd done a couple of days earlier against them, because we didn't learn from that game), Slimani scoring would have been against the run of play vs Liverpool, Bournemouth should have been 2/3 up within the first 10... 

 

We did play counter attacking style, which is not that shocking for us to get attacked many times. 

 

Counter-attacking style implies we actually attacked... What we played was akin to a league 2 side going away to a prem side in the cup, 10 men behind the ball, just keep it away for 90 minutes.

 

Coutinho ripped us apart during cup games. take a look at our squad and lineup, what option we got for cup matches? do you want to play simpson every match and got him burnout just like huth, morgan, drinkwater did last season?

 

Absolutely moronic post given it doesn't respond even tangentially to what I said - I said specifically that having seen it in the cup, he made no attempt to counter it in the league. I don't care that much that Coutinho opened us up in the cup, what bothers me is that Shakespeare saw it happen, then just did a straight swap of personnel for the league game a couple of days later, no attempt to correct that. 

 

[Stadt]

So far Shakespeare's been uninspiring but having the time to reflect so far has made me realise we've had one game where we realistically expected to win comfortably, which we did. There's been some concerning performances but the combination of injuries, the Silva situation and our fixtures probably means that the knives shouldn't be out just yet.

[WigstonWanderer]

9 minutes ago, Wookie said:

So far Shakespeare's been uninspiring but having the time to reflect so far has made me realise we've had one game where we realistically expected to win comfortably, which we did. There's been some concerning performances but the combination of injuries, the Silva situation and our fixtures probably means that the knives shouldn't be out just yet.

For me it isn't the results, it's the style of football.

[GaelicFox]

We are fu*ked 

 

he is sounding like John Carver now !!!

 

horrendous interview

 

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4971012/Shakespeare-Leicester-stars-adapt-different-roles.html

[CosbehFox]

On 07/10/2017 at 15:43, Babylon said:

I don't think they threw him under the bus, I just think it comes part and parcel with a load of average players pulling off the biggest result in sporting history. Getting that desire back to the levels we have it before is difficult, I know they are professionals. But most of them know that's the most they will ever achieve without question. 

The players what played in the game what annoyed the owners were not 'the band of brothers'. The performance against Millwall was absolutely awful and up there with one of the worst performances I've seen from a Leicester team in my lifetime. 

 

That result and performance went below expectation of being top half. We had a realistic chance of making the FA Cup Quarter-Finals and turned out total dirge. 

[weller54]

10 hours ago, Wookie said:

So far Shakespeare's been uninspiring but having the time to reflect so far has made me realise we've had one game where we realistically expected to win comfortably, which we did. There's been some concerning performances but the combination of injuries, the Silva situation and our fixtures probably means that the knives shouldn't be out just yet.

......but being nicely sharpened! 

[Happy Fox]

10 hours ago, Wookie said:

So far Shakespeare's been uninspiring but having the time to reflect so far has made me realise we've had one game where we realistically expected to win comfortably, which we did. There's been some concerning performances but the combination of injuries, the Silva situation and our fixtures probably means that the knives shouldn't be out just yet.

 

The Fixtures excuse is getting boring.

[chicagofox]

29 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

The Fixtures excuse is getting boring.

And it has no validity.

[lgfualol]

4 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

We are fu*ked 

 

he is sounding like John Carver now !!!

 

horrendous interview

 

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4971012/Shakespeare-Leicester-stars-adapt-different-roles.html

That gives me absolutely no confidence in him. If we got someone else in they would change the formation without "chatting with the lads" - because our lot will insist he keeps 442, just like with Ranieri. Seems to me like the players suddenly do not have a clue how to play 442, or they are just not doing what Shakespeare or Appleton says. Either way, we're fvcked. 

 

 

[somebum]

5 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

We are fu*ked 

 

he is sounding like John Carver now !!!

 

horrendous interview

 

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4971012/Shakespeare-Leicester-stars-adapt-different-roles.html

Shakey's last stand

[Izzy]

54 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

That gives me absolutely no confidence in him. If we got someone else in they would change the formation without "chatting with the lads" - because our lot will insist he keeps 442, just like with Ranieri. Seems to me like the players suddenly do not have a clue how to play 442, or they are just not doing what Shakespeare or Appleton says. Either way, we're fvcked. 

 

 

I can’t imagine Fergie, Cloughy or Shankley ‘consulting’ with their players about a change in formation.

 

Sounds to me like the tail is wagging the dog a bit and doesn’t show much balls from Shakey.

 

And what’s all this about “the players need to be doing more off the ball” bollux? We need to be doing more WITH the ball FFS.

 

Doesn't inspire much confidence. I’m worried.

[winteriscoming]

So basically instead of telling the players what system were going to play he has to check with them to see if that's Ok. He hasn't got the confidence in himself to change the system or do something different. I honestly give up with him. God knows what the players must make of this. 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Happy Fox said:

 

The Fixtures excuse is getting boring.

Agree.

 

Burnley took 8 points from Spurs away, Chelsea away, Everton away and Liverpool away.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

That gives me absolutely no confidence in him. If we got someone else in they would change the formation without "chatting with the lads" - because our lot will insist he keeps 442, just like with Ranieri. Seems to me like the players suddenly do not have a clue how to play 442, or they are just not doing what Shakespeare or Appleton says. Either way, we're fvcked. 

 

 

"Chatting with the lads".

 

This is a problem too.... I've been watching that Vardy V9 programme every week and he refers to the manager as "Shakey". In fact, he said when Shakespeare got the job he said "still refer to me as Shakey".

 

Not for one second would Ferguson's players call him "Fergie" or Clough's players call him "Cloughie".

[lcfcsnow]

It's been obvious the players have been running things for some time, usually when this happens at a club it ends with relegation and a clear out. As for seeking their opinion on formation changes the likes of Simpson and Albrighton aren't going to be for a change that will see them out the team. Time to think for yourself or sling your hook.

[Wymsey]

Is Shakespeare actually the main reason, overall, for the problems so far?

As, at times thus far this season, I've noticed key players such as Ndidi have looked lost and could be doing more.

[somebum]

2 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Is Shakespeare actually the main reason, overall, for the problems so far?

As, at times thus far this season, I've noticed key players such as Ndidi have looked lost and could be doing more.

Lack of direction and motivation 

[Sionnach gorm]

Oddly I see few reasons Members are posting here for keeping him.

 

Well my reason for keeping him would be: 

 

1) I don't believe we will be relegated under Shakey (our underperforming team is not yet relation fodder).

 

2) We will give the impression to next potential manager (yes, I believe Shakey should be removed at year end) that we do not give managers a proper chance (which is why sacking Ranieri was a mistake...[see above] ).