The "do they mean us?" thread pt 2

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, Yes said:

 

(not more than £40m) as backup to.. Emerson. 
 

“Top 6” fans are on another level of delusion. 

"Not more than £40m"  That's brilliant

[Yes]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

"Not more than £40m"  That's brilliant

Not so bad if it was one persons opinion but it’s got over 1000 likes 

[egg_fried_rice]

I don't know what's worse, the 40m price tag or the idea he'd be backup to Emerson 

[Raw Dykes]

50 minutes ago, Yes said:

 

(not more than £40m) as backup to.. Emerson. 
 

“Top 6” fans are on another level of delusion. 

Wow! That's a joke, surely? If not, they must have time travelled from a few years ago.

 

Chilwell going for half Maguire's fee, to be backup to Emerson. If I was Ben, I'd be thoroughly insulted by that.

[Les-TA-Jon]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/15/premier-league-2019-20-team-of-the-season-so-far

 

Great seeing 4 Leicester player's there and can't really disagree with the team. Had to baulk at this though:

Quote

 

Jamie Vardy (Leicester)

He’s 33 in just over a month but you wouldn’t know it from his razor-sharp displays. He tops the Premier League scoring charts with 11 goals having added intelligence to his game under Rodgers, who has instructed the combative striker to stop chasing lost causes and be a fox in the box. The result is that Vardy is drifting off defenders, finishing unerringly and looking a good bet to stay ahead of Abraham in the race for the Golden Boot. Retiring from England duty has been a wise choice.

 

What rubbish! Yes Vardy has been reinvigorated a bit under Rodgers, but to stay he's only now being an 'intelligent' player is a nonsense. 

[KingsX]

15 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/15/premier-league-2019-20-team-of-the-season-so-far

 

Great seeing 4 Leicester player's there and can't really disagree with the team. Had to baulk at this though:

What rubbish! Yes Vardy has been reinvigorated a bit under Rodgers, but to stay he's only now being an 'intelligent' player is a nonsense. 

 

And no KdB ?!  Bit hard to take that seriously.

[StriderHiryu]

1 hour ago, Yes said:

 

(not more than £40m) as backup to.. Emerson. 
 

“Top 6” fans are on another level of delusion. 

I reckon we should sign that Messi fella as backup to Vardy. Could be useful coming off the bench and has a decent scoring record.

 

As long as way get him for a very good price (not more than 5m). Then I am cool with that. 

[Tommo220]

10 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I reckon we should sign that Messi fella as backup to Vardy. Could be useful coming off the bench and has a decent scoring record.

 

As long as way get him for a very good price (not more than 5m). Then I am cool with that. 

only if we can shift on Nacho for 3m though.....

[DerbyshireFox]

6 minutes ago, Tommo220 said:

only if we can shift on Nacho for 3m though.....

Swap deal 

[mozartfox]

It’s Christmas Time don’t let the Bells End. They are all coming out now.....

[TiffToff88]

24 minutes ago, Tommo220 said:

only if we can shift on Nacho for 3m though.....

Signing Messi for £5m is one thing, but Iheanacho worth as much as £3m? Now you're being silly!

[HitchinFox]

On 14/11/2019 at 13:50, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Even the new training ground can be funded with the sale of Maguire!

 

The term "the training ground will be built using slabs" gets an entirely new meaning. 


 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Dorkingfox]

奇跡”から3年。レスター再躍進のなぜ  = Three years from the miracle

トップ6”終了？ = Top 6

[urban.spaceman]

Here's the article for those of you too lazy to click the link yourself:

 

“奇跡”から3年。レスター再躍進のなぜ？

　本日11月15日に発売となった雑誌『SOCCER KING』12月号では、「異変だらけの序盤戦、36のなぜ？」と題し、各国の序盤戦で生まれた36の疑問に迫っている。そんな雑誌『SOCCER KING』12月号から、一部コンテンツを公開！

WHY？ 02
【PREMIER LEAGUE】

“奇跡”から3年。レスター再躍進のなぜ？

文＝田島 大　Text by Dai Tajima
写真＝ゲッティ イメージズ　Photo by Getty Images

※データはプレミアリーグ第10節終了時のもの

　上位6チームの顔ぶれが史上初めて3年連続で変わらなかったプレミアリーグで、「6強」に割って入ろうというチームがある。開幕10試合を終え、3位につけるレスターだ。

　ここまで10試合で勝ち点20。これは、奇跡の優勝を果たした15－16シーズンの同時期を2ポイントも上回るペースだ。敗戦を喫したのは敵地でのマンチェスター・ユナイテッド戦とリヴァプール戦の2つだけ。選手個々の実力も、アーセナルやユナイテッドに引けを取らない。一部では、4年前の“ミラクル･レスター”よりも強いとささやかれているし、もちろんそこに異論はない。だが、クラウディオ・ラニエリの時代と比較するには、あまりにもスタイルが異なる。

　レスターは、今年2月にブレンダン･ロジャース監督が就任して以降、完全に生まれ変わった。攻撃的なパスサッカーを展開し、第10節のサウサンプトン戦では、9－0の大勝を飾った。アウェーで1試合9得点という記録は、131年のイングランドのトップリーグ史において初めてのこと。だから、内容まで加味して比較するなら、4年前のレスターではなく、ロジャースがプレミア制覇まであと一歩に迫った6年前のリヴァプールのほうが近いと思う。

　例えば、エースの覚醒がそうだ。ケニー・ダルグリッシュ政権でリーグ戦44試合15得点だったルイス・スアレスは、ロジャースのもとで66試合54ゴールと爆発した。ジェイミー・ヴァーディもクロード・ピュエル前体制では51試合23ゴールだったが、指揮官が代わると20試合18ゴール。10月28日時点で、ロジャース就任後、ハリー・ケインやセルヒオ・アグエロを抑えてプレミアで誰よりもゴールを奪っている。

　ヴァーディは、32歳になった今も進化を止めない。体力テストの数値は2015年時よりも高く、足も速くなっているという。ボールタッチ数は今シーズンここまで1試合平均20回と昨シーズンよりも減っているのだが、あまり孤立しているようには見えない。前体制のポゼッションサッカーでは「ボールが来ない」と嘆いていたエースが、不満を言わなくなった。これこそが、チームが機能している証拠だ。

　ロジャースは自分たちのスタイルについて、カウンターでもパスサッカーでもなく、「危険なポゼッション」と表現する。ヴァーディには「ビルドアップに参加しなくてもいい」、「サイドに流れるな」などと指示して、縦へのスプリントに専念させている。チームメートもチャンスがあれば一発で裏へのパスを狙い、相手が下がり始めたら、中盤にできたスペースでロジャースの十八番であるパスワークを披露する。MFジェイムズ･マディソンがボールを運んでミドルシュートを放てるのは、裏を狙い続けるエースがいるからだ。もちろん、相手がシュートを警戒して前に出たら、そのときこそヴァーディの見せ場だ。

　ヴァーディがスアレスならば、マディソンはフィリペ・コウチーニョだろう。起用される位置はインサイドハーフや左サイドなど試合によって異なるが、マディソンに求められるのはゴールに直結する仕事だ。左サイドで出場したら、サイドに張るのではなく、サイドバックのベン・チルウェルのスペースを消さないように中央へ流れてゴールに迫る。「小さい頃はトップ下が好きだった」という本人も、今はいろいろなポジションをこなせるのが強みだと主張する。当然、インサイドハーフは守備の負担も大きいため、強豪との試合ではサイド起用が多くなる。

　マディソンについて指揮官は、いい意味での「傲慢さ」があると称える。ゴールが決まらなくてもシュートを打ち続け、昨シーズン終盤から32本ぶりに決めたシュートは、第6節トッテナム戦での貴重な決勝点となった。

　攻守の要である22歳のMFユーリ・ティーレマンスにも、ロジャースは称賛を送る。この夏、完全移籍に移行した決め手は「人間性」と明かし、「ピッチ上のコーチだ」とまで持ち上げる。ロジャースは若い才能に自信を植えつけ、伸ばしていく。「人は水がなくても何日か生きられるが、希望がなければ1秒も耐えられない」。それがリヴァプールでラヒーム・スターリングを開花させたロジャースの持論だ。

　しかし、6年前のリヴァプールとは、一つだけ完全に異なる部分がある。リヴァプールが優勝を逃した原因は“主将のスリップ”だが、彼らには38試合で50失点という根本的な問題もあった。だが今シーズンのレスターは、夏にDFハリー･マグワイアを引き抜かれながら開幕10試合で最少失点を保っている。

　これは頼れるコーチ陣のおかげだ。レスターはチームを2つに分けて練習し、攻撃陣をロジャース、守備陣をコロ・トゥーレが仕切る。アーセナル、マンチェスター・シティ、リヴァプールを渡り歩き、2017年に引退したばかりの元コートジボワール代表は、ポジショニングといった理論だけでなく、足の運び方などの実践的なテクニックまで指導できる。その恩恵を受けたのが、マグワイアの後釜に抜擢されたトルコ代表DFチャグラル・ソユンクだ。プレー映像を見ながら、改善点を細かくトゥーレに説明されたという。だから、サポーターは「誰がマグワイアなんて必要か。俺たちにはソユンクがいる」と大声でチャントを歌う。

　レスターは、主力にケガ人さえ出なければ、ビッグ6の牙城を崩せるはずだ。それどころか、“ミラクル･レスター”の第二幕が開演するかもしれない。

[urban.spaceman]

You're welcome. 

[urban.spaceman]

Also, found this somewhere :

 

3 years since the “miracle”. Why is Leicester moving forward again?

In the December edition of the magazine “SOCCER KING”, which was released today on November 15th, the question “36 why? Some contents are released from the December issue of "SOCCER KING" magazine!

WHY? 02
[PREMIER LEAGUE]

3 years since the “miracle”. Why is Leicester moving forward again?

Text by Dai Tajima
Photo by Getty Images

* Data is from the end of Premier League Section 10

The top six teams have never changed for the first time in three years in a premier league, and there is a team that wants to break into “6 strong”. It ’s Leicester who finishes 10 games and is third.

】 20 points in 10 games so far. This is 2 points faster than the 15-16 season that won the miracle. There were only two defeats, Manchester United and Liverpool. Each player's ability is inferior to Arsenal and United. Some are whispered to be stronger than Miracle Leicester four years ago, and of course there is no objection. But the style is too different to compare to Claudio Ranieri.

Leicester has been completely reborn since Brendan Rogers took office in February this year. He developed an aggressive pass soccer and won a 9-0 victory in Southampton in Section 10. This is the first time in the history of England's top league in 131 to record a score of 9 points per game. So, if you compare the content, I think it ’s closer to Liverpool, six years ago, when Rogers was one step away from winning the premiere, not Leicester, four years ago.

For example, ace awakening. Luis Suarez, who scored 15 points in 44 league matches in the Kenny Dargrish administration, exploded with 66 goals and 54 goals under Rogers. Jamie Verdy also had 23 goals in 51 games under the previous system of Claude Puerl, but 18 goals in 20 games when the commander changed. As of October 28, after taking office as Rogers, he has scored more goals than anyone else in the premier, controlling Harry Kane and Sergio Aguero.

VADI is still 32 years old and still does not stop evolving. The physical fitness test is higher than in 2015, and the feet are faster. The number of ball touches so far this season is an average of 20 games per game, which is lower than last season, but it doesn't look so isolated. Ace, who lamented that the ball was not coming in the previous system of possession soccer, no longer complains. This is proof that the team is functioning.

Rogers describes their style as “dangerous possession”, not as a counter or a pass football. Instructing Verdy to “do not need to participate in build-up” or “do not flow to the side”, and concentrate on vertical sprinting. If teammates have a chance, aim for a pass to the back in one shot, and when the opponent starts to fall, perform a passwork that is Rogers's Eighteenth in the middle space. MF James Madison can carry the ball and release the middle shot because there is an ace that keeps aiming at the back. Of course, if the opponent goes ahead with a shot, it's time to see Vuddy.

If Maddy was Suarez, Madison would be Philippe Coutinho. The position to be appointed depends on the game, such as the inside half and the left side, but Madison is required to work directly to the goal. If you play on the left side, instead of stretching it to the side, you flow to the center and close to the goal so as not to erase the space of Ben Chilwell on the side back. The person himself, “I liked the bottom of the top when I was little,” also argues that it is a strength to be able to do various positions now. Of course, because the inside half is a heavy defense, there will be more side use in the game with the powerhouse.

About Madison, the commander praises that there is “arrogance” in a good sense. Even if the goal wasn't decided, he continued to shoot and was the first to score 32 since the end of last season, which was a valuable final score against Round 6 Tottenham.

Rogers also praises the 22-year-old midfielder Yuri Thielemans, who is the key to the offense and defense. This summer, the deciding factor who moved to a complete transfer is revealed as “humanity” and lifts up to “coach on the pitch”. Rogers instills confidence in young talent and grows. “People can live for days without water, but they can't stand for a second without hope.” That's Rogers' theory that brought Laheim Stirling to life in Liverpool.

However, there is only one completely different part from Liverpool 6 years ago. The reason Liverpool missed the victory was “the captain ’s slip”, but they also had a fundamental problem of 50 goals in 38 games. However, this season's Leicester has kept the least goal in the opening 10 games while pulling out DF Harry Maguire in the summer.

This is thanks to the team of coaches you can count on. Leicester splits the team into two exercises, with Rogers as the attacking team and Koro Toure as the defensive team. A former Côte d'Ivoire representative who has just retired in Arsenal, Manchester City, and Liverpool, can teach not only the theory of positioning but also practical techniques such as how to walk. The benefit of this was Turkish national team DF Chagral Soyunk, who was selected as the rear pot of Maguire. While seeing the play video, Touree explained the improvement points in detail. So the supporter sings the chant out loud, "Who needs Maguire. We have Soyuncu, 彼のコックのクソ巨大な".

Leicester should be able to break the Big 6 stronghold if not even injured. On the contrary, the second act of “Miracle Leicester” may start.

[urban.spaceman]

 

[LC/FC]

20 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

So according to the analysis given by this video, we're a blend of Man City by the way we pass and move and Liverpool with how we press and cover.

 

Not too shabby when you look at it that way. No actually, that's bloody amazing when you know they're the top 2 teams in the past 2 years. And we're playing like a mix of both and can only improve more with our young players.

 

No wonder the rest of the Premier League want to buy our players. 

They all know and fear what we're gonna be capable of and how devastating Leicester City are going to be. 

 

Approved! 

[turtmcfly]

35 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Enjoyed this - thanks.

 

Wondering where I can get one of those pens.

[Koke]

Would be great if it became a 7 team battle for 4 places.

 

 

[Foxxed]

Great, great video. Makes you appreciate Ndidi even more.

[urban.spaceman]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/nov/17/brendan-rodgers-frank-lampard-leicester-chelsea-battle-for-second-premier-league

Brendan Rodgers and Frank Lampard prove worth in battle for second place

Paul WilsonSun 17 Nov 2019 09.00 GMT

Leicester and Chelsea managers have set out their stall with attractive football thanks to the likes of Maddison and Pulisic

 

Gareth Southgate was probably right to play down the significance of last weekend’s Liverpool v Manchester City showdownfrom an England point of view. Only three members of his present squad played at Anfield and featured in the starting lineup against Montenegro, even if one more came on as a substitute, and as the England manager pointed out there might have been double that number in times gone by.

Yet despite most predictions, the Premier League is not turning out to be quite the two-horse race originally envisaged. Leicester City and Chelsea stand between the leaders and the defending champions, and by way of proving this is no accident, those two clubs have just supplied six members of the England squad.

Whichever way you look at it there is quality at Stamford Bridge and the King Power, and based on the start both teams have made it is not too early to suggest both could still be occupying Champions League positions at the end of the season.

Brendan Rodgers sensibly dodged title talk after moving into second with their win over Arsenal, for until Liverpool begin to show signs of weakness the rest of the division can only dream of overtaking the leaders, though Leicester and Chelsea have already achieved the seemingly impossible by nudging ahead of City and the onus is now on Pep Guardiola and his players to do the catching up.

Chelsea are City’s next opponents at the Etihad, so the chance will come quite early. Few would have imagined Guardiola would have much trouble with a side coached by a rookie manager and subject to a transfer ban when Chelsea began their season with a 4-0 drubbing at Old Trafford, yet quite a lot has changed in the short time since.

It turns out Chelsea have more than enough talented young players at their disposal to survive without going to the market, particularly as the influential Christian Pulisic was already on the books as a handy replacement for Eden Hazard, and it also looks as if handing the reins to Frank Lampard was not such a gamble after all.

Lampard was lucky to take over an already successful squad from the undervalued Maurizio Sarri – not many Premier Leagueberths become available with Champions League football already secured – and has so far proved the safe yet still adventurous pair of hands the club needed. Much more of this and Chelsea could find themselves keeping hold of a manager for more than a single season or two, confounding those who believed Lampard was simply a cheap and convenient appointment necessary to keep the seat warm until the transfer ban expires.

At Leicester Rodgers has possibly done even better. Certainly there were plenty of Arsenal-watchers shaking their heads last week and wondering why the Gunners could not have brought in the Celtic manager instead of going abroad for Unai Emery.

It is fair to say the latter is struggling. If Arsenal felt he was the nearest thing to a younger Arsène Wenger they have somehow managed to import all the difficulties associated with the older Arsène Wenger, whereas Rodgers was simply waiting under the radar in Scotland for the right opportunity to arise. Given that top-four clubs not subject to transfer bans do not generally appoint home-grown managers, Leicester was probably the best destination Rodgers could hope for, whatever his disaffected public in Glasgow thought of the move.

Leicester finished in the top half of the table last season, are well run and resourced, and unlike clubs of broadly similar stature such as Everton or West Ham, have a league title win in recent memory. Practically, only Jamie Vardy and Kasper Schmeichel survive from that side, though that is not the point. Both are still excellent players and encapsulate the confidence that runs through the squad, the certain knowledge that anything is possible. Rodgers signs off his programme notes with a similar sentiment each week, because in Leicester everyone knows it to be true, and with James Maddison, Youri Tielemans, Ben Chilwell and other players brought through since 2016 a return to the Champions League could well be within reach.

That an eight-point gap exists not only at the top of the table but between fourth place and fifth suggests the present top four may already be breaking away. The identity of the team in fifth place – Sheffield United – also tells its own story.

The reality for Arsenal, Tottenham, Manchester United and anyone else with Champions League pretensions, however optimistic, is that a newly promoted side is doing a better job of hanging on to the leaders. If that remains true after next weekend, when Manchester United are the visitors at Bramall Lane, Chris Wilder will be in line for a coaching award and some of his more lauded managerial counterparts will be in trouble.

[MANFACE]

This turned up in my youtube feed.Six months old. Chris Mutton at his best...........

 

Chris Sutton can't believe that Brendan Rodgers has just left Celtic mid-season, with the club on the verge of a historic 'Treble Treble.' He even brands Celtic's reserve side as bigger than Leicester, something that Joleon Lescott takes great exception to.

 

 

 

Edited 17 November 2019 by MANFACE

[StriderHiryu]

22 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Superb video! I've thought about doing another tactical thread this season, but given how good we are playing, plenty of other people are doing it for me!

 

The only thing I would say here is that we have our own nuances that lie somewhere between Man City and Liverpool, but we aren't quite either of those teams.

 

- For Liverpool, Firmino plays as a false 9 and drops back to drag the centre backs out of position, link play, and to make space for Mane and Salah who are Liverpool's primary goal threat, whereas Leicester rely on our elite strike in Vardy for goals, hence why our wingers score less. (Though they should be scoring more!).

 

- We have a highly technical midfield like Man City do, whereas Liverpool rely on three "shuttlers" who can perform an incredible amount of work. That allows their fullbacks to essentially operate as wingers which is why Robertson and TAA have more assists than many wingers across European football.

 

- Man City's attackers swap positions during an attack more than ours do, for example it's not uncommon to see Sterling at centre forward and Aguero on the wings. They also use "Inverted" fullbacks which allow them to cycle possession more efficiently and they still lead the possession stats by a considerable margin in the league. Believe it or not we actually have less possession that Brighton and Bournemouth but are a lot more dangerous with the ball!

 

 

I think the other thing that should be pointed out is that Rodgers has successfully found a way to beat teams that play a defensive low block like Palace and Burnley. Essentially it's the Man City way where we play the ball from side to side to force the opposition to move, and we then try to create a position where a winger or full back is one v one against a defender, so they can beat them and put in a cross to create a scoring opportunity. The trick is we do it at pace, which we did not do when Puel was in charge. This means that you keep the opponents on their toes and can force an opening and it's one of the ways that Gray has looked so good. When he comes on after 60 minutes, his direct running and pace is perfect to find if he's one v one.