urban fox Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 OK. So it is the stated ambition of the club, and we are all agreed that we should be pushing for a place in the top six over the next couple of seasons. For that to happen, someone from the current established hierarchy has to drop out. Who will that be? Personally I would like it to be spurs, for no other reason than I have an irrational dislike of them (mainly since the title season when their attitude, and that of the press was that they were entitled to win it because they had some bloke called Harry in their side). Realistically, I think it most likely to be Chelsea as they seem to be lurching from one crisis to another, and could lose several of their top players with no possibility of replacing them due to the transfer embargo. I have also been impressed with Wolves this season and if they can keep it up and improve we could see the start of major changes to the established "big clubs" dominance over the next few years. It would be fantastic to see a real battle involving the top 7 or 8 teams all in the running, if not for the title, at least for the CL/Europa places.
Nick Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 It’ll be one of the six with less points than us that season.
davieG Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 I think it's more likely we'll end up qualifying for a place in Champions League 2.
urban.spaceman Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Chelsea. They’ve ****ed things up big time recently - Abramovic constantly seems to be about to sell, they’ve just been given a year long transfer ban, Hazard wants out, Sarri is shite. I can see more sanctions coming. of course I’d much rather it was Spurs we replaced, as their downfall will be much more enjoyable.
Captain... Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 The only one we couldn’t is Man City. Spurs are potentially going to suffer like Arsenal did paying for the new stadium and they have some prize assets that are going to get sick of bottling every trophy and their refusal to spend big will cost them. If one of Kane, Ali, Eriksen go and they fail to replace them you’ll see a mass exodus. Chelsea are short termists and have finished midtable a couple of times in recent seasons. Transfer ban and Sarri probably going lots of clubs sniffing round Hazard means they are probably most vulnerable next season. They will be back though. The psychological blow of Liverpool failing to win the title this season could see them in meltdown. Man U will probably go backwards under Ole next season their squad really isn’t that great. Arsenal will probably be quite strong next season. We have to think we we can realistically achieve 65 points. We should be looking at 10 points in from our remaining fixtures and we can all find 10-15 points we needlessly dropped this season. One of the big boys will offer a chance to be caught. Like United did at the start of the season, like Arsenal last season(63), Chelsea (50) and Liverpool (60) in 2016, Liverpool (62) and Spurs (64) 2015, United (64) in 2014. 65 points will get you top 6 most years, we are certainly capable of that, end if we get 60+ points next season and don’t finish top 6 then fair enough, but we need to give ourselves the chance of capitalising when one or two of the big boys have a poor season.
boots60 Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Tottenham Hotspur The best thing about the spring season along with the warmer weather & the daffs etc. is the annual implosion of our esteemed North London friends. Their time as a top six side is surely over after this season. Pochettino & Erikson off to pastures new, Alli, complete loss of form, Lloris, a joke, Dier over rated, even Harry Kane may consider leaving his spiritual home. They'll still have some excuse though.
stripeyfox Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 36 minutes ago, boots60 said: Tottenham Hotspur The best thing about the spring season along with the warmer weather & the daffs etc. is the annual implosion of our esteemed North London friends. Their time as a top six side is surely over after this season. Pochettino & Erikson off to pastures new, Alli, complete loss of form, Lloris, a joke, Dier over rated, even Harry Kane may consider leaving his spiritual home. They'll still have some excuse though. Indeed. Saint Totteringham's Day is almost upon us.... I still think we are some way off being "top 6" however. We seem to be moving in the right direction but to "break" the Top 6 on a regular basis will take some doing.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Why a big 6? Until 4-5 seasons ago, people used to talk about the big 4. I'd be fine with being part of a big 7 or big 8. It would be better for football all round.
Ric Flair Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Absolutely no idea, the PL is constantly getting stronger but the top 6 remain untouched really. To get back amongst it and then back it up for a few years after will take a huge operation but we are probably the team to do it out of anyone. We have a team with a massive amount of potential and a manager who improves young players, I think top 6 is a real possibility however daunting it seems. The real question is, can we break in to the top 6 next season if we were to finish 7th this season and get in to the Europa League qualifying stages, 6 qualifying games before and just after the start of the season is relentless, we will pretty much play 3 games a week every week at a time where we need to trim the squad due to finances. We best have some real quality coming through the U18's and U23's.
Xen Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Chelsea are inevitably going to lose Hazard at some point, and the transfer ban looming over them could hurt. They've got a wealth of young talent to choose from so they'll come through it relatively unscathed, but whether or not they can make the most of their youngsters remains to be seen. Spurs will stutter when (some combination of) Kane/Eriksen/Poch eventually leave. United is a bit of a coin flip really. OGS has done well so far, but will he be succesful as a manager long-term? Jury is still out for me. Depends a lot on how the summer transfer window goes for these clubs (and ourselves), but I've a feeling at least one of them will be within our reach next season for 6th. We just need to be consistent ourselves whilst also holding off the likes of Wolves. Easier said than done. Arsenal have had a bit of a resurgence under Emery, and obviously Liverpool/ManCity are streets ahead, so I think those 3 will all comfortably finish top 4.
Nicolo Barella Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 1 hour ago, Captain... said: The only one we couldn’t is Man City. Spurs are potentially going to suffer like Arsenal did paying for the new stadium and they have some prize assets that are going to get sick of bottling every trophy and their refusal to spend big will cost them. If one of Kane, Ali, Eriksen go and they fail to replace them you’ll see a mass exodus. Chelsea are short termists and have finished midtable a couple of times in recent seasons. Transfer ban and Sarri probably going lots of clubs sniffing round Hazard means they are probably most vulnerable next season. They will be back though. The psychological blow of Liverpool failing to win the title this season could see them in meltdown. Man U will probably go backwards under Ole next season their squad really isn’t that great. Arsenal will probably be quite strong next season. We have to think we we can realistically achieve 65 points. We should be looking at 10 points in from our remaining fixtures and we can all find 10-15 points we needlessly dropped this season. One of the big boys will offer a chance to be caught. Like United did at the start of the season, like Arsenal last season(63), Chelsea (50) and Liverpool (60) in 2016, Liverpool (62) and Spurs (64) 2015, United (64) in 2014. 65 points will get you top 6 most years, we are certainly capable of that, end if we get 60+ points next season and don’t finish top 6 then fair enough, but we need to give ourselves the chance of capitalising when one or two of the big boys have a poor season. You mean you can see us long-term displacing one of Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool?....... Maybe for a single season, but Man Utd is the biggest global brand in sport. This whole thread is an optimistic shambles, unless I've read it wrong and people are talking about an unsustained push for a Top 6 spot instead of consistently finishing there.
st albans fox Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 6 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said: You mean you can see us long-term displacing one of Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool?....... Maybe for a single season, but Man Utd is the biggest global brand in sport. This whole thread is an optimistic shambles, unless I've read it wrong and people are talking about an unsustained push for a Top 6 spot instead of consistently finishing there. You haven’t been here long have you ??
Nicolo Barella Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 22 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Why a big 6? Until 4-5 seasons ago, people used to talk about the big 4. I'd be fine with being part of a big 7 or big 8. It would be better for football all round. Because there's six big teams competing for the actual money-making European placements. Every time one of them joined "The Big ___" they made it harder for the next club to do so. That's why Man City needed so much money to do it, and that's why the media loves Spurs so much - because they're a reminder of "olden football" where clubs weren't backed by petrostates. The whole reason the Top 6 have become so powerful is because of their monopoly on European football. No team is going to break it without consistently finishing in European placements, (particularly CL) which is incredibly hard to sustain because of all the other mid-table teams who want to be the next big thing. That's why the next member has to be funded by a billionaire who doesn't care about FPP. Because that's the only way a club outside the Top 6 can get there.
Nicolo Barella Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said: Chelsea. They’ve ****ed things up big time recently - Abramovic constantly seems to be about to sell, they’ve just been given a year long transfer ban, Hazard wants out, Sarri is shite. I can see more sanctions coming. of course I’d much rather it was Spurs we replaced, as their downfall will be much more enjoyable. The less oil money in this league, the better
Deeg67 Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 36 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Why a big 6? Until 4-5 seasons ago, people used to talk about the big 4. I'd be fine with being part of a big 7 or big 8. It would be better for football all round. Yes, I think this is quite right. People treat this is a zero sum game, as if there have always been and are only six “big” slots. Rather than replace someone in the big six, turn it into a big seven.
sm1 Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Most likely Spurs, especially when the likes of Poch, Kane, Ericsson & Deli leave. I'm not sure about Chelsea and Utd either, I think both Sari and Ole are going to find it difficult next season.
Nicolo Barella Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 12 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: Yes, I think this is quite right. People treat this is a zero sum game, as if there have always been and are only six “big” slots. Rather than replace someone in the big six, turn it into a big seven. The thing is. The biggest thing that keeps The Big 6 TM going, aside their global brand recognition and other revenue streams, is their supply of CL money and general historical fiscal strength. To compete with that, a club would need to consistently finish in CL placing in order to both get actual money and grow their global brand. Doing this without large sums of money getting invested intelligently into the club every season would be very difficult. Not the least for a club like ours which has professed that it wants to run on a self-sufficient model.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 5 minutes ago, sm1 said: Most likely Spurs, especially when the likes of Poch, Kane, Ericsson & Deli leave. I'm not sure about Chelsea and Utd either, I think both Sari and Ole are going to find it difficult next season. Mr Optimism.
Carl the Llama Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Why a big 6? Until 4-5 seasons ago, people used to talk about the big 4. I'd be fine with being part of a big 7 or big 8. It would be better for football all round. And before that in my living memory we had the big 3 (Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal). Abramovic came along and suddenly Chelsea were the best team in the League for a couple of seasons, before dropping back to 'merely' complete the big 4. Then Sheikh Mansour and his Abu Dhabi pals came along and suddenly Man City are a force to be reckoned with, growing in strength year after year, big 5. I'm not really sure what the catalyst for Spurs becoming one of the big boys is, a continuous policy of shrewd investment I guess, but here we are with a big 6 and people talk as though it's always been that way. Funny things, humans.
Dahnsouff Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Spurs when Poch leaves and Timmy Sherwood takes over
That_Dude Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 Let us see first if we can consistently finish in the top 7-8 for a couple of seasons before starting of dreaming about replacing one of the teams which leagues ahead in terms of squad quality and financial power. This blind optimism after a couple of wins is getting borderline delusional.
Fox92 Posted 2 April 2019 Posted 2 April 2019 2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: Chelsea, when abramovich flogs it. Can't see him staying there longer. Absolutely no evidence to support this, just my theory.
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