Clever Fox Posted 29 August 2020 Posted 29 August 2020 33 minutes ago, Bert said: Yep, but most fans have an agenda against him and can’t/won’t admit that he’s possibly made a positive change. That's a little harsh on the fans, Most fans are willing him to do well but have seen too many false dawns. We know he has the Tools and the Talent yet continues to struggle, Why is this ? He's playing under too much pressure here feeling he has to deliver every time he's taken the pitch. I'd send him to Celtic for this season where I sure he would flourish. . 1
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 29 August 2020 Posted 29 August 2020 1 hour ago, Stuntman_Mike said: Based on what? He barely gets a game in our weakest position. He's replacable and should've been moved on years ago. Stats came out last week or so, best impact sub last season. 1
Sunbury Fox Posted 29 August 2020 Posted 29 August 2020 Gray has been one of our better players since football returned. Probably says more about our overall lack of form in that time, though!
ARM1968 Posted 29 August 2020 Posted 29 August 2020 Never got all the dislike for Gray. He’s a good player and a good options. Makes the odd mistake but who doesn’t?
majaco Posted 29 August 2020 Posted 29 August 2020 Gray could co e good. If we built a team around him, he would be fantastic. It's just that we would build a team around Vardy, Maddison or Barnes first. I hope he stays at Leicester 1
Mawuli Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 The same people in this thread saying Gray will never be good were probably the ones saying Chilwell will be world class They're literally the same type of player
slymunn Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, peach0000 said: gray is definitely starting to show improvements for me. At 24 it's an age where a lot of wingers start to show end product rather than just potential which is what he is doing starting to do. Salah and Mane for example suddenly started scoring at 24/25 after showing early promise but looking to be a bit mediocre. Mane hit double figures for the last 8 seasons since he was 20. Edited 30 August 2020 by slymunn
Fightforever Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mawuli said: The same people in this thread saying Gray will never be good were probably the ones saying Chilwell will be world class They're literally the same type of player Lol u ain't been here for long chilwell was slaughtered on this forum. You would think he was sunday league reading some of the stuff people have wrote about him on match day threads Edited 30 August 2020 by Fightforever 2
Katy Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 For me I get more annoyed with Barnes than with Gray. I don’t slate him publicly (i.e lay into him on SM) though, that’s not going to help him.
foxinsocks Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 4 hours ago, Fightforever said: Lol u ain't been here for long chilwell was slaughtered on this forum. You would think he was sunday league reading some of the stuff people have wrote about him on match day threads Ben chillwell frustrated many of us. The more successful he became the more cautions he became. Frustrating coz everyone knows he is a talent... but he ended up slowing our play down. I think it was frustration rather than criticism of his ability. 1
Popular Post Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 30 August 2020 Popular Post Posted 30 August 2020 Can't believe the general consensus is he's as good or better than Barnes. Barnes put up figures last season Gray has never come close to achieving, all this while being younger and more inexperienced. I'd love gray to do well I just don't see how after 4 years of being here he's got the same inconsistencies he arrived with and just hasn't really improved at all. I've seen it dozens of times, he was electric when he came on deserves a start. Gets a start and does the square root of zero before being subbed in the second half with his confidence shot to bits and he's rubbish every time he gets on the pitch for 6 weeks. Then repeat 3 or 4 times a season. It's not an agenda against him, maybe some people have got one but I wouldn't understand why. I'd just much rather persevere with Barnes, he put up the numbers he did last season when being incapable of finishing, that's something that can be coached and likely will improve, he'd be a hell of a player with that one area of his game being improved. Gray has so much to work on and has been at it for 4 years here with little or no improvement. It's testement to how weak we are in wide areas that gray is still in the discussion, and we can't let him go because one or two injuries and he's all we've got. I pray this is the year it all clicks but my hopes aren't high. 12 1
Raw Dykes Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 4 hours ago, Katy said: For me I get more annoyed with Barnes than with Gray. I don’t slate him publicly (i.e lay into him on SM) though, that’s not going to help him. I think this might be because you expect so little of Gray.
UniFox21 Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 4 hours ago, Katy said: For me I get more annoyed with Barnes than with Gray. I don’t slate him publicly (i.e lay into him on SM) though, that’s not going to help him. Both are incredibly frustrating at times. Agree with you on Barnes, maybe due to the great attacking positions he gets into and then a poor touch or scuff ruins it. 1
FoyleFox Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 8 hours ago, Mawuli said: The same people in this thread saying Gray will never be good were probably the ones saying Chilwell will be world class They're literally the same type of player The difference for me is that 3 or so seasons ago both were in the category of young, with potential. Given coaching and experience they would develop and improve. Chilwell has, Gray hasn't. We see glimpses of it and we hope but then we're back to square one and he does zilch well. And we get frustrated again due to his inconsistency and lack of progress. Chilwell isn't world class and not suggesting he wasn't sometimes frustrating last season but he's a better, more consistent player than he was 3 seasons ago. I've seen nothing to suggest any significant improvement from Gray in that time. If we're keeping him I hope, as every year, this year will be when he fulfills his potential. No reason to wish otherwise, if a player does well, my team do well and that's all I'm interested in.
Mawuli Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 1 minute ago, FoyleFox said: The difference for me is that 3 or so seasons ago both were in the category of young, with potential. Given coaching and experience they would develop and improve. Chilwell has, Gray hasn't. We see glimpses of it and we hope but then we're back to square one and he does zilch well. And we get frustrated again due to his inconsistency and lack of progress. Chilwell isn't world class and not suggesting he wasn't sometimes frustrating last season but he's a better, more consistent player than he was 3 seasons ago. I've seen nothing to suggest any significant improvement from Gray in that time. If we're keeping him I hope, as every year, this year will be when he fulfills his potential. No reason to wish otherwise, if a player does well, my team do well and that's all I'm interested in. Also helps that Chilwell regularly starts and Gray has patches of appearances then disappears, it's very hard to become a consistent performer when you're dropped after one bad match 1
FoyleFox Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 11 minutes ago, Mawuli said: Also helps that Chilwell regularly starts and Gray has patches of appearances then disappears, it's very hard to become a consistent performer when you're dropped after one bad match He hasn't performed consistently well enough in those patches, that's the problem.
Mawuli Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 13 minutes ago, FoyleFox said: He hasn't performed consistently well enough in those patches, that's the problem. He was young,and consistency is the hardest thing for a young player This season he looked more consistent with his patches of sub appearances but that's all he's going to be if we don't give him mins
Leicester_Loyal Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 He's had plenty of chances, he's been shit whenever he starts a game. He comes on against a tired defence and looks a much better player. I can't see him blossoming into this great player, I'd love to be proved wrong but I don't think he has it in him.
Katy Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 5 hours ago, Raw Dykes said: I think this might be because you expect so little of Gray. Yes, maybe. There’s been glimpses of something every so often but nothing. I have a soft spot for him so will always be hopeful that the next season is his season.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 Gray has had the right wing position there for him to take for two years and doesn't have the will or focus to do it. He just isn't professional enough to make the step to be the player he probably thinks he already is. Weak.
foxile5 Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 22 hours ago, majaco said: Gray could co e good. If we built a team around him, he would be fantastic. It's just that we would build a team around Vardy, Maddison or Barnes first. I hope he stays at Leicester Are you seriously suggesting building a team around a player that has 100+, appearances for us and has not strung together a sequence of good games? Baffling call that.
majaco Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 6 minutes ago, foxile5 said: Are you seriously suggesting building a team around a player that has 100+, appearances for us and has not strung together a sequence of good games? Baffling call that. No. That's not what I posted.
foxile5 Posted 30 August 2020 Posted 30 August 2020 1 minute ago, majaco said: No. That's not what I posted. 'if we built a team around him he would be fantastic' Even hypothetically that is just the rummest thing I'll read all month.
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