Corona Virus

[Kopfkino]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

We had a 48 hour delay for PPE coming in from Turkey. Same organisation in relation to PPE rewrote the rules to address a shortage. Rather than sort the storage. It’s been said some trusts are better prepared with large stock. Surely we can add the numbers together and get trusts with less stock provided with some from those with plenty. Better for a four hour journey by road than sea and plane. 

 

But this is the issue, its very easy to sit in your chair at home with, as far as I know, very little to no operational or logistical knowledge of the situation, and say 'surely' what you should do is x. As if nobody in the whole of government or Whitehall thought of that, or even that it hasn't been happening. I'm not aware that the shipments from abroad are for specific locales rather than just to replenish stores generally (gowns are in short supply generally across the country)? In general, the PPE situation is a complex problem the world over, its not unique to the UK, I've seen it raised across the English speaking world as well as in France and Germany and Italy. 

 

As Tony Blair said earlier "it is the most complicated and difficult challenge I have ever seen in politics". That does not preclude the government being questioned, being urged to do better, and reflecting on lessons to be learned but it should always be set in that context. Carl rightly points out that it's dumb to think it matters what anyone says on here, I think it's pretty dumb that a bunch of blokes on a football forum with a huge information deficit seem to think they really understand how to sort it all out. 

[Costock_Fox]

12 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

seen about six but all spaced out not like in the youtube video

Yeah same, was expecting to see them very close together.

[Kopfkino]

3 hours ago, reynard said:

Can't see any reason Thee Times would wade in without proper cause. They are basically a Tory supporting paper. The very fact the Governement had to come out and point out "errors" probably indicates there is a certain amount of truth in the article.

There are obvious areas that have not gone that well. The provision of PPE is obviously one and the breadth of testing is another. Several weeks into the crisis and PPE is still not with care workers for eg.

As to testing we are still nowhere near the required level and frankly it doesn't look like we will ge there.My cousin works in the big testing station in London and is still saying that whatever ministers say there simply isn't the necessary stuff to allow for anywhere near 100k tests per day.

 

It sort of helps to remember that Murdoch and The Times' horse for ages was Michael Give whereas the Barclay brothers was Boris. The Telegraph suddenly produces a deluge of Boris will be our saviour stuff and the ST goes with what it did. Not that I know if that really affects it but my point is it's overly simplistic to just label it Tory supporting. 

 

It was also dogshit journalism, proper modern gotcha bollocks that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny even without privileged information. As if Boris not being at a meeting on the 24th January mattered. 

Edited 20 April 2020 by Kopfkino

[urban.spaceman]

[WigstonWanderer]

Perhaps a promising treatment here for the most severe cytokine storm affected patients. As far as I understand it’s (slightly counter intuitively) based on an immunosuppressant to stop the body’s own immune system from destroying organs.

 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-13/coworkers-save-coronavirus-doctor

 

 

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Time to start with the michael caine The Italian Job stuff. "Theres 400,000 kebab shops in England, if you don't send us the face masks, every single one of them gets it." 

Gets it...??  What a free Kebab,und a Falafel for the veggies...

Oh just a small point Not all Kebab shops,are ran by One nationallity...

[CosbehFox]

Worth mentioning that the Department of Health and Social Care appear to used a marketing firm which created over 100 fake NHS staff twitter accounts to ‘promoted’ herd immunity. 
 

It’s no little surprise that the re-hiring of the election winning campaign team has occurred for the purpose of communications in relation to the crisis. 
 

 

Edited 20 April 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[Sampson]

Singapore managed to control it's small first wave. Now it's second wave has properly exploded. A result of overcrowded dorms of foreign workers mostly.

 

Same with Japan.

Edited 20 April 2020 by Sampson

[Kopfkino]

20 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Worth mentioning that the Department of Health and Social Care appear to used a marketing firm which created over 100 fake NHS staff twitter accounts to ‘promoted’ herd immunity. 
 

It’s no little surprise that the re-hiring of the election winning campaign team has occurred for the purpose of communications in relation to the crisis. 
 

 

 

I mean the bloke is proper into it and thinks he's onto something, idk I guess the chances are >0 but that bio doesn't exactly scream plausible government approved operation and more @MattP taking the piss

Edited 20 April 2020 by Kopfkino

[CosbehFox]

15 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 

I mean the bloke is proper into it and thinks he's onto something, idk I guess the chances are >0 but that bio doesn't exactly scream plausible government approved operation and more @MattP taking the piss

I ain’t going to convince you otherwise or most others on here judging from your post.
 

Government and political parties have been using astroturfing like this on social media to influence public opinion for five years or more now. There’s clear patterns when it occurs. It was happening on Saturday evening in reply to the Sunday Times article which celebrates and popular journalists were picking up on. 
 

The bio is a way of targeting a different audience and the use of such tags means more retweets from bots. Someone looks at it and thinks ‘what a joke’...retweet and it has a new audience. It’s the same way Katie Hopkins will get a completely different audience look at her tweets.
 

That the Department of Social Care and Health has now gone around replying the same words in defence at the exact same time to anyone whose retweeted it and has a significant number of followers is an indicator of whose taken over communications on this. 

Edited 20 April 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[Strokes]

7 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I ain’t going to convince you otherwise or most others on here judging from your post.
 

Government and political parties have been using astroturfing like this on social media to influence public opinion for five years or more now. There’s clear patterns when it occurs. It was happening on Saturday evening in reply to the Sunday Times article which celebrates and popular journalists were picking up on. 
 

The bio is a way of targeting a different audience and the use of such tags means more retweets from bots. Someone looks at it and thinks ‘what a joke’...retweet and it has a new audience. It’s the same way Katie Hopkins will get a completely different audience look at her tweets.
 

That the Department of Social Care and Health has now gone around replying the same words in defence at the exact same time to anyone whose retweeted it and has a significant number of followers is an indicator of whose taken over communications on this. 

Probably best to just avoid twitter and Facebook type places and it’s much more difficult to be manipulated. It’s funny how there are never any left wing/remain bots reported 🤔

I still have absolutely no idea how hashtags work and to what their point is.

[yorkie1999]

44 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Singapore managed to control it's small first wave. Now it's second wave has properly exploded. A result of overcrowded dorms of foreign workers mostly.

 

Same with Japan.

So, maybe our government are doing the right thing by being cautious with their lockdown rules. 

[leicsmac]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-hogan-testing-20200420-atxs3grvbjdgphzzt4tfhuhnbm-story.html

 

Good to see Korea helping out now they seem to have a bead on their own outbreak.

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, Sampson said:

Singapore managed to control it's small first wave. Now it's second wave has properly exploded. A result of overcrowded dorms of foreign workers mostly.

 

Same with Japan.

But away from the overcrowded foreign worker dorms there are few cases ...... it seems that govt is quite happy for the foreign workers to undergo their own herd immunity study away from the indigenous population ..... I’m pretty sure that everyone apart from some of our less intelligent cousins across the pond appreciates that if given an unchecked opportunity, this virus will head straight back to R=3 and the resulting demands on health/care sectors will be excessive. 
 

I saw an interesting interview on CNN last evening where a Doctor was peddling a theory that women cope with disease better than men on the basis of their two X chromosomes. Apparently there is some evidence that the X chromosome contains proteins that help your immune system to fight virus’.  it was something like that anyway. hence, another reason that women live longer than men and why a disproportionate number of men are dying from CV despite there being no evidence that more men are catching the virus. infact it’s possibly the opposite. 

 

well I was sold but does anyone know if this theory is in any way accepted in mainstream medicine??

[l444ry]

Seems this government is incapable of telling the whole truth.

 

 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-only-formally-asked-turkey-for-ppe-shipment-after-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238?fbclid=IwAR3knTG0rlsMBpsKeEQm6RyfBKw2RadhsQh3rOxqGBgvrH42WXEB1qcW3e4

Edited 21 April 2020 by l444ry

[BKLFox]

33 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Seems this government is incapable of telling the whole truth.

 

 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-only-formally-asked-turkey-for-ppe-shipment-after-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238?fbclid=IwAR3knTG0rlsMBpsKeEQm6RyfBKw2RadhsQh3rOxqGBgvrH42WXEB1qcW3e4

or the story & the Turkish source could be utter bull5hit??

[st albans fox]

33 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Seems this government is incapable of telling the whole truth.

 

 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-only-formally-asked-turkey-for-ppe-shipment-after-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238?fbclid=IwAR3knTG0rlsMBpsKeEQm6RyfBKw2RadhsQh3rOxqGBgvrH42WXEB1qcW3e4

assuming that jenrick and his advisers have no experience of importing goods from countries outside the EU and the issues with exporting such items as PPE from places like turkey, we could be generous and give him the benefit of the doubt that if he thought the consignment was available to be handed over on Sunday, then he wouldn’t necessarily appreciate that it couldn’t just be here by Sunday late evening ....

[Dahnsouff]

Lads, its Spurs Sky

[yorkie1999]

13 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

assuming that jenrick and his advisers have no experience of importing goods from countries outside the EU and the issues with exporting such items as PPE from places like turkey, we could be generous and give him the benefit of the doubt that if he thought the consignment was available to be handed over on Sunday, then he wouldn’t necessarily appreciate that it couldn’t just be here by Sunday late evening ....

Or maybe, he could have just kept his mouth shut and then there wouldn't have been an issue.

[BKLFox]

This link from effie deans sums-up my mood around all the press reports & negativity at the minute, don't know about anyone else.

 

https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/04/journalism-is-missing-mood-country.html

 

[Lionator]

I don't have an opinion whether this is right or wrong, but this is a great interview. 

 

As somebody posted on here yesterday, the fact that Sweden are taking this approach is teaching us so much more about this disease that it is likely to consequentially save lives regardless.  

[l444ry]

 

[FoxesDeb]

15 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

 

Genuinely interested in light of some of your contributions to this thread...

 

Without either a) simply copying and pasting the government’s PR response or b) using a broad brush term about the media or a political belief - can you explain what you have been particularly happy about with the government’s response to coronavirus and why none of the findings in The Times report particularly concern you?

I am particularly happy that the government is following the advice of the best experts available to them. I don't expect them to get everything right obviously, as we are experiencing a never seen before event. But yes, I'm happy that they believe without doubt that they are making the right decisions. 

 

 

I'm not concerned by anything written in a paper owned by Murdoch, most of which has been shown to be rubbish since. I definitely wouldn't refer to anything they printed as 'findings'. 

 

Hope that answers your questions

 

 

[Countryfox]

12 hours ago, Collymore said:

Those satellites coming over again in 15 mins. 10:58

 

12 hours ago, BeardyFox said:

Kept an eye out but haven't seen them 

 

11 hours ago, messerschmitt said:

seen about six but all spaced out not like in the youtube video

 

11 hours ago, Collymore said:

I didn't see them actually but few people have text and said they did. 

 

11 hours ago, Kopic said:

I saw about 10 of the satellites, was pleasant sat in the garden with no noise around, just watching them go over.

 

11 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Yeah same, was expecting to see them very close together.

 

 

[Voll Blau]

10 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

This link from effie deans sums-up my mood around all the press reports & negativity at the minute, don't know about anyone else.

 

https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/04/journalism-is-missing-mood-country.html

 

What an absolute crock.

 

It's not the job of journalists to keep morale up, it's their duty to report facts and to ask the questions that need answering. And it's besides the point in any case because they're reporting all the positive stuff going on around the country in terms of fundraising, volunteering, remarkable recoveries and the human spirit in all this anyway. If you're not seeing that aspect of journalism at the minute, then you're definitely not looking very far.