Corona Virus

[StanSP]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

A few questions:

 

1. I know the lockdown was meant to reduce the spread, which it appears to be doing. Therefore reducing the impact upon the NHS. However, if we relax social distancing measures, people who are going stir crazy will just go and star socialising ...... won’t they? 
 

2. Is a 2nd wave, then a 3rd etc of this unpreventable, as we anywhere between 8 - 30 different strains, with further mutations?

 

3. What will the new normal be? 

I think 3 is a mix of people being sensible/cautious until further easing comes in and on the other side, people acting like fvck all has happened and not taking necessary precautions to prevent that 2nd wave. 

 

New normal is still keeping the 2m social distancing where possible but just being allowed out more frequently, as opposed to just 'essential shopping' or 1 hr exercise. Small businesses/shops being allowed to reopen under social distancing guidelines (limited people allowed in?), sport resuming within limits. 

 

I pray there's not a 2nd wave. I'm not sure what the percentages or likelihood of it is but it'll just mean we're back to where we have just been for the past 3-4 weeks. If anything that might feel worse - going back to how it is now as opposed to knowing we've had a bit more freedom but it's been snatched away from us again. 

[Webbo]

55 minutes ago, john ridley said:

Asda have given all vulnerable staff 12 weeks off on nearly full pay if they want it .

My wife has a slight heart problem, the doctors said she wasn't in the at risk group. She tried though.

[fuchsntf]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

My wife has a slight heart problem, the doctors said she wasn't in the at risk group. She tried though.

I thought if you had a Medical record/History on any organs,or long time illness,Diabetes etc.I thought you were automatically in the questionable group...

[Nalis]

45 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I think 3 is a mix of people being sensible/cautious until further easing comes in and on the other side, people acting like fvck all has happened and not taking necessary precautions to prevent that 2nd wave. 

 

New normal is still keeping the 2m social distancing where possible but just being allowed out more frequently, as opposed to just 'essential shopping' or 1 hr exercise. Small businesses/shops being allowed to reopen under social distancing guidelines (limited people allowed in?), sport resuming within limits. 

 

I pray there's not a 2nd wave. I'm not sure what the percentages or likelihood of it is but it'll just mean we're back to where we have just been for the past 3-4 weeks. If anything that might feel worse - going back to how it is now as opposed to knowing we've had a bit more freedom but it's been snatched away from us again. 

I guess the advantage is that we are in a better position to deal with the 2nd wave than we were with the first.

[Lionator]

Boris currently polishing a turd outside of downing street.

[WigstonWanderer]

Good speech so far by Boris IMO

Edited 27 April 2020 by WigstonWanderer

[MattFox]

Lockdown isn’t going anywhere just yet 

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

I thought if you had a Medical record/History on any organs,or long time illness,Diabetes etc.I thought you were automatically in the questionable group...

She went to the doctors to try and get a sick note. It was their decision.

[Webbo]

Until there's a vaccine I think it's inevitable that there'll be a second wave, although smaller than the first.

[Izzy]

Boris is back, Boris is back, Whoa, whoa.

[foxes1988]

8 hours ago, brucey said:

 

Thanks for that very interesting read. 

 

Definitely suggests that the numbers of Covid-19 deaths have been under reported across Europe.  Whilst some of these deaths will be due to the lockdown and not the Covid-19 the figures showing higher excess deaths in regions more affected by the outbreak suggests that excess deaths are likely down to Covid-19 rather then lockdown deaths.

[Lionator]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Until there's a vaccine I think it's inevitable that there'll be a second wave, although smaller than the first.

The idea of the test and trace plan is to fight small fires which reduce the chances of a second wave. If you can identify people who may be infectious early on and quarantine them and their contacts, then the chance of it spreading as quickly or at all is reduced. It'll be a challenge but hopefully we're better placed to do that now. 

 

A second wave isn't inevitable, it's likely but this can certainly be mitigated in order to save lives.

[floz]

So sad 😢

[yorkie1999]

24 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Until there's a vaccine I think it's inevitable that there'll be a second wave, although smaller than the first.

One things for certain, we'll all know what to do in the event of a second wave. Run for cover and lock the doors.

[Bellend Sebastian]

16 minutes ago, floz said:

So sad 😢

That's rough, especially within a day of tweeting as if things had turned a corner.

 

The uneven pattern of illness and recovery seems to be a feature of the virus. I've a friend in London who's pretty certain to have had it, and she was really poorly for ten days, then thought she'd turned a corner before dipping and feeling worse than ever. Much better now, thankfully

[Toddybad]

40 minutes ago, MattFox said:

Lockdown isn’t going anywhere just yet 

Only sensible position to take at this point. Still thousands of new hospital cases every day. So it must be still circulating between the many thousands every day presumably. Though I suppose there might be a lag between infection > symptoms > hospitalisation so the current numbers might be smaller. But that's still way too many to end lockdown. It'll be rampant again in hours. I haven't seen the Boris presser - did he give any suggestion as to when it looks like the numbers might be reduced enough or just waiting and seeing?

 

 

[WigstonWanderer]

2 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

Only sensible position to take at this point. Still thousands of new hospital cases every day. So it must be still circulating between the many thousands every day presumably. Though I suppose there might be a lag between infection > symptoms > hospitalisation so the current numbers might be smaller. But that's still way too many to end lockdown. It'll be rampant again in hours. I haven't seen the Boris presser - did he give any suggestion as to when it looks like the numbers might be reduced enough or just waiting and seeing?

 

 

Just waiting and seeing from what I could tell. He did make the link that opening to soon could cause a second wave which would have a detrimental effect on the economy.

 

The problem as I see it is that test & trace will need a much lower infection rate to stand a chance of working, and that could take some time if Spain & Italy are anything to go by. Do people have enough patience for that?

[Toddybad]

1 minute ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Just waiting and seeing from what I could tell. He did make the link that opening to soon could cause a second wave which would have a detrimental effect on the economy.

 

The problem as I see it is that test & trace will need a much lower infection rate to stand a chance of working, and that could take some time if Spain & Italy are anything to go by. Do people have enough patience for that?

They're going to have to have. I haven't heard anybody complain about the lockdown in real life.

Read a bit of his speech, seems fairly well judged, no complaints from me.

 

[Voll Blau]

Certainly no arguments from me on the practical aspects of his speech, but not sure I'd term the strategy so far as an "apparent success". 

 

What's done is done sadly. Let's all hope the government have learned from it and know what they're doing from hereon in.

[reynard]

31 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Just waiting and seeing from what I could tell. He did make the link that opening to soon could cause a second wave which would have a detrimental effect on the economy.

 

The problem as I see it is that test & trace will need a much lower infection rate to stand a chance of working, and that could take some time if Spain & Italy are anything to go by. Do people have enough patience for that?

Indeed. The German guy in charge said just the other day that for it to work there the numbers needed to be in the low hundreds and their testing regime is far better established than ours is right now.

[reynard]

Let's hope this doesn't prove to be correct or indeed something completely different.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

[davieG]

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DAD PUBLICLY SHAMES SON AFTER HE IS GOBBY AT ASDA GOSPORT STAFF

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The dad of a boy who was abusive towards staff at ASDA Gosport after his son and a friend on pushbikes threatened to Axe and "Slice them up" has marched his son back the store and made him apologise on video.

There has been no mention of the other boy apologising. His dad has been backed by the public in not tolerating his sons behaviour.

Following our earlier Article which has been shared and seen hundreds of times his Dad has said:

"For everyone who has seen a video of this boy threatening members of staff at Asda yesterday. As a dad I have never been more disgusted and mortified with my son in my life. He has not been brought up to behave in this manner and I do not condone his behaviour at all. Just to let you all know, the police have been notified and evidence has been sent, it is now over to them to decide what they wish to do. Also the police were notified at the first point of call when he was not back from his daily exercise, both myself and my wife take the covid-19 pandemic very seriously. I just want to point out for those who blame the parents, this is Not and I repeat NOT how we have been brought him up. He will being thoroughly punish and this WILL not happen again. I am not naming and shaming the other person on the video yesterday as he is not my responsibility and my son should not have been out in public. This video is a public apology to all the members of staff and public at Asda yesterday."

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GOBBY YOUTHS THREATEN TO AXE ASDA STAFF IN GOSPORT

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Two youths barely out of nappies on their pushbikes from Gosport were refused entry to ASDA Gosport yesterday and would not join the que like the rest of the customers instead they turned on staff at the door.

Two youths barely out of nappies on their pushbikes from Gosport were refused entry to ASDA Gosport yesterday and would not join the que like the rest of the customers instead they turned on staff at the door.

They threatened staff at the door to come back later with an Axe and "Cut them up" and "Slice them up" whilst hurling a barrage of abuse at them.

[davieG]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

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DAD PUBLICLY SHAMES SON AFTER HE IS GOBBY AT ASDA GOSPORT STAFF

Hampshire and iow news

The dad of a boy who was abusive towards staff at ASDA Gosport after his son and a friend on pushbikes threatened to Axe and "Slice them up" has marched his son back the store and made him apologise on video.

There has been no mention of the other boy apologising. His dad has been backed by the public in not tolerating his sons behaviour.

Following our earlier Article which has been shared and seen hundreds of times his Dad has said:

"For everyone who has seen a video of this boy threatening members of staff at Asda yesterday. As a dad I have never been more disgusted and mortified with my son in my life. He has not been brought up to behave in this manner and I do not condone his behaviour at all. Just to let you all know, the police have been notified and evidence has been sent, it is now over to them to decide what they wish to do. Also the police were notified at the first point of call when he was not back from his daily exercise, both myself and my wife take the covid-19 pandemic very seriously. I just want to point out for those who blame the parents, this is Not and I repeat NOT how we have been brought him up. He will being thoroughly punish and this WILL not happen again. I am not naming and shaming the other person on the video yesterday as he is not my responsibility and my son should not have been out in public. This video is a public apology to all the members of staff and public at Asda yesterday."

Previous Article:
GOBBY YOUTHS THREATEN TO AXE ASDA STAFF IN GOSPORT

Hampshire and iow news

Two youths barely out of nappies on their pushbikes from Gosport were refused entry to ASDA Gosport yesterday and would not join the que like the rest of the customers instead they turned on staff at the door.

Two youths barely out of nappies on their pushbikes from Gosport were refused entry to ASDA Gosport yesterday and would not join the que like the rest of the customers instead they turned on staff at the door.

They threatened staff at the door to come back later with an Axe and "Cut them up" and "Slice them up" whilst hurling a barrage of abuse at them.

Apology yes, absolutely but not convinced about showing his face on Facebook

[st albans fox]

31 minutes ago, reynard said:

Let's hope this doesn't prove to be correct or indeed something completely different.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article

Where kids are involved there is going to be far more stringent awareness..... I wonder if this has anything to do with the govt messages late last week about still using A+E as normal and they emphasised children in that message ....... I doubt that they want to have that article as general govt release - will cause panic out there as kids get tummy aches etc all the time .....

[Guesty]

12 minutes ago, davieG said:

Apology yes, absolutely but not convinced about showing his face on Facebook

 

Always find when parents film things like this a little wierd. It's like: it's less about the kid and more about the parent.

 

The parent knows their friends are going to see it and they're embarrassed, so they sort of throw their kid under the bus.

 

Saying we don't bring him up like this (whilst calling him a a foul-mouthed bast**d ). And why was he out there with his mate anyway...

 

Used to see this sort of thing working in a school. You'd have that kid who was in trouble a lot, whose parents thought they were little angels: it was always the school, teachers or other kid's fault. Then their kid would do something and they were caught red-handed and the parent would turn on the kid like this. Of course, it was never any of the parent's fault...

 

To be fair to the Dad, he isn't the one filming this (hopefully he hasn't got someone down to film it) - maybe it will have the desired effect.