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12 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

times 100

Where's my confused rep gone?  have they been removed or something?

 

Anyway, 5,000 divided by 60m is 0.00008 (four zeros)

 

Just use a calculator .  I did.

 

 

Edit - if the brain that is @leicsmac agrees with you, then I s'pose I must be wrong.  Even if I don't understand why :dunno:

 

I've got an A-level in maths as well.  Shameful.

 

 

Apologies @yorkie1999

 

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3 hours ago, StanSP said:

What do we make of the Panorama investigation then, about government not stockpiling properly and millions of missing protective equipment items? 33m respirator masks on original 2009 list but only 12m handed out since then. Government is refusing to comment on the missing millions of masks... 

 

Also, on March 13th the government looked to remove COVID-19 from the list of HCIDs despite it only being made one in January... (this really doesn't sit right with me considering by March the outbreak was fully global). 

 

Experts that put it on the list in January were not consulted with when discussion took place to remove it. Instead the government asked another committee (Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens) under 'any other business' part of the agenda. You'd think it would be quite high, not just dashed under AOB?! 

 

The spokesperson for the committee said part of the reason why it was removed was because 'HCID classification is used for serious infections where there are limited number of cases requiring specialist input and facilities'. What was COVID-19 then? Limited number of cases despite the numbers China and Italy were seeing at that time?? 

 

Government also ignored a warning from own advisors to buy missing equipment 

The value of the nation's medical stockpile dropped by 40% since 2013.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/revealed-value-of-uk-pandemic-stockpile-fell-by-40-in-six-years

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3 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

On my icu many of the newer patients are either an essential worker or someone in the house is. Otherwise it could be people not respecting lockdown properly or catching it when out doing exercise. If a jogger has it for example they are spreading it absolutely everywhere and so you get it having your daily walk.

Thanks for your info, I heard a so called "expert" on BBC news claiming catching it from a passerby was "minimal" in fact nearly every question asked gave the "minimal chance" answer, even though many are still getting it. I do think that many employers of essential workers aren't bothered about the well fare of their employees, my partner works in food distribution and they are told to try to keep 2 meters apart where possible yet they have to work less than a meter apart from each other.

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2 hours ago, messerschmitt said:

Of all the numbers flying around the one I can't get my head around is the number of new cases each day. Five weeks of staying in, hand washing and keeping away from anyone how are we managing to get another 5,000 infected every day? Surely each one of these represents a failure of PPE, policy or people ignoring the advice. Should we be prioritizing how this is happening and to who? is it a particular trade or employer. Is it spreading another way?

I think this is going to be the key figure moving forwards and I too have similar questions. The number is only around 1000 fewer than the highest peak yet hospital numbers are falling and those in the ICUs are falling  yet the daily number of newly infected is just stable. Yet the so-called R number has gone down from 3 to supposedly 0.7.

Have to say I'm having trouble getting my head around the daily reductions in hospital cases viv a vis the daily new numbers infected. Unless the vaste majority of the new infections are in care homes.

I wish in the daily briefings they would go into more detail about this sort of thing rather than just showing the same old slide about transport use.

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26 minutes ago, String fellow said:

The government's message is 'stay home'. Isn't 'stay at home' better grammatically? You wouldn't say 'stay work', you'd say 'stay at work'. To me , 'stay home' sounds like an American expression.  

We've been steadily Americanising ourselves for years mate. Thats both government and populace. Have you just noticed? 

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22 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Seriously at what point does the effort going in outweigh the benefit of saving these people.

 

Remove the labels and let nature take course. Bunch of idiots.

Why don't they just let them drink 180 proof moonshine, it's cheaper and basically the same stuff but without the crap added to it.  

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8 minutes ago, reynard said:

I think this is going to be the key figure moving forwards and I too have similar questions. The number is only around 1000 fewer than the highest peak yet hospital numbers are falling and those in the ICUs are falling  yet the daily number of newly infected is just stable. Yet the so-called R number has gone down from 3 to supposedly 0.7.

Have to say I'm having trouble getting my head around the daily reductions in hospital cases viv a vis the daily new numbers infected. Unless the vaste majority of the new infections are in care homes.

I wish in the daily briefings they would go into more detail about this sort of thing rather than just showing the same old slide about transport use.

I think that they're throwing in a lot of catch up figures into the mix so none of the numbers make sense. I do know of one instance, a friends dad who was dying with cancer, was included in the corona virus stats, because he had it when he died.

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22 minutes ago, reynard said:

I think this is going to be the key figure moving forwards and I too have similar questions. The number is only around 1000 fewer than the highest peak yet hospital numbers are falling and those in the ICUs are falling  yet the daily number of newly infected is just stable. Yet the so-called R number has gone down from 3 to supposedly 0.7.

Have to say I'm having trouble getting my head around the daily reductions in hospital cases viv a vis the daily new numbers infected. Unless the vaste majority of the new infections are in care homes.

I wish in the daily briefings they would go into more detail about this sort of thing rather than just showing the same old slide about transport use.

Increase in testing.

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1 hour ago, martyn said:

Increase in testing.

I think this is is the answer.

 

Infections must have been wildly under estimated in weeks prior due to lack of testing.  I would think that hospital admissions is the most useful information in understanding what's going on.

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