Nick Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 I don’t correlate world class with playing for a national team particularly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 43 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: You’re good at disagreeing, but not so good making a counter point. if he’s in the top 50-100 current players in the world - where there are 170 odd countries, then the number of better players is less than the amount of countries in the world. so if the best players were evenly distributed to each country then he’d be the best player in a country. I can’t think of a better definition of world class. look forward to your rationale of how he is “far from world class” Hate to agree with the horses mouth but your logic doesn't add up at all really. Where does world class on your FIFA rankings end? 4th? So for example if England fell to 5th tomorrow does that suddenly reduce all England players to the level below? Argentina/Portugal aren't in the top 4 countries in the world so do you not class Messi/Ronaldo as world class? You're either world class or you're not, it doesn't switch between the two willy nilly based on fifa rankings or whoever last won the Champions League etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach0000 Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 Would class is such a subjective term. Everyone has a different definition and it causes so many meltdowns. I always think of it as the best 5 players in each position in the world and I'm struggling to think of 5 that are better than him tbh. Left back is one of those positions that always lacks depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 51 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: If the World Cup was tomorrow and the FIFA rankings are to be believed, if it went to form then the semi finalists would be Brazil, France, Belgium and England would play. Chilwell would be England’s starting left back. Logic suggests he’s in the top 44 players in the world, but taking into account some great players from otherwise poor teams, let’s be pessimistic and say top 100?? if that’s not world class maybe someone can tell me what is?? Ashley Cole was world class. Roberto Carlos was world class. Paolo Maldini was world class. The title isn't a default, even if he's the best English full back, doesn't make him world class. Modern world class LBs: Alex Sandro Marcelo Jordi Alba Chilwell is a top player, especially for any sub-top team. He's very replaceable, and absolutely not world class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 I much prefer it when players put in a transfer request in these situations rather than not but expecting to move and get their loyalty bonus. If he's going then it's a good time to sell, there is an abundance of excellent left backs on the market at the moment, you could probably name ten. A lot will be hoping to get a big move but many of those will miss out and it's either another season at their clubs or a move here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, peach0000 said: Would class is such a subjective term. Everyone has a different definition and it causes so many meltdowns. I always think of it as the best 5 players in each position in the world and I'm struggling to think of 5 that are better than him tbh. Left back is one of those positions that always lacks depth. Alex Sandro Alex Telles Alex Grimaldo Theo Hernandez Marcel Halstenberg Jordi Alba Andy Robertson None of these are attainable, so quite possibly he's the best left back we can get but I've only listed the obviously better players. There's players out the of similar quality to Chilwell. Edited 29 July 2020 by wardyfox86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach0000 Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 1 minute ago, wardyfox86 said: Alex Sandro Alex Telles Alex Grimaldo Theo Hernandez Marcel Halstenberg Jordi Alba Andy Robertson Sandro, Robertson and Alba immediately came to mind with Marcelo. Telles and Grimaldo have to play in a better league for me (Grimaldo hasn't ever played international football either). Theo Hernandez is more of centre back isn't he? Hastenburg I'll take your word for as I have never seen him play. I think sometimes people underestimate how good Chilwell is compared to other full backs. (Also he's only 22 which is crazy young for a defender) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 2 minutes ago, peach0000 said: Sandro, Robertson and Alba immediately came to mind with Marcelo. Telles and Grimaldo have to play in a better league for me (Grimaldo hasn't ever played international football either). Theo Hernandez is more of centre back isn't he? Hastenburg I'll take your word for as I have never seen him play. I think sometimes people underestimate how good Chilwell is compared to other full backs. (Also he's only 22 which is crazy young for a defender) Completely agree. He's a solid fullback and I'd rather keep him, but anything around £70m is too good to turn down. We could absolutely get his replacement wrong, especially with Congerton at the forefront. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 5 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: We should just close the thread and pin the Maguire one from last summer to the top to be honest. The papers, bloggers and magazine sites are going to be posting all sorts of drivel all summer - that the deal is done for £50m; the deal has been done for £60m; Leicester might take £70m plus add ons for winning the Carabao Cup; Chelsea are now pursuing other players in that position; LEICESTER are now pursuing other players in that position; "he's only worth about £40m" says retired Chelsea legend; Leicester want a world record fee but will have to be more realistic and accept a lower offer; Chelsea hope Chilwell will help lower the asking price by handing in a transfer request - (this one has already happened today) - none of them know anything, it's all clickbait bollocks and I won't believe a thing until Percy says it. We should all know the deal by now. Leicester don't want to sell. Leicester don't need the money. So either give us a world record fee or f u c k off Thats better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 Is he worth 70 or 80 mill plus. Never. Should we and/or smaller clubs always bend over and take 12 inches just because a big club wants a 'potential' star. No. The same would apply to lower division clubs who we buy from. The only way we can stop their dominance and hoarding is to make them overpay. Even then it probably wont help but fuk them! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobyfox Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 I never really understand why people cite international football as a real benchmark for a player’s ability. Other than the fact that somebody has decided that Chilwell is the best English qualified left back available. If you take the example of Chilwell in an England shirt then he will play very infrequently against opposition very inferior to anything he’ll face in the Premier League. Then, probably once every two years he’ll come up against quality opposition that are better than the England side he’s playing in, but still inferior to most of Europe’s top teams. Chilwell is a promising left back who’s not yet reached the level of a Christian Fuchs at his peak, but has the ability to suggest he one day might. But I’ve seen nothing yet to suggest he’s the next Ashley Cole. To suggest he’s world class at the moment is ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 30 July 2020 Author Share Posted 30 July 2020 8 minutes ago, Jattdogg said: Thats better Maybe we should be cheeky and every time they call with a bid just ask them how Drinky's getting on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 9 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Maybe we should be cheeky and every time they call with a bid just ask them how Drinky's getting on. Lol too soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 My Father in Law, a Chelsea fan, just bet me that they’d get Chilwell for less than £40m!! I laughed my head off and he was deadly serious. His reasoning was because of the current climate 😂😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 6 hours ago, Jattdogg said: Is he worth 70 or 80 mill plus. Never. Should we and/or smaller clubs always bend over and take 12 inches just because a big club wants a 'potential' star. No. The same would apply to lower division clubs who we buy from. The only way we can stop their dominance and hoarding is to make them overpay. Even then it probably wont help but fuk them! Was Kepa worth 70M+?? But Chelski paid this. Fleece them for every single Rubel or just tell them to Fockoffski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said: If he's so easy to replace why have the best clubs in the country wanted him? His replacement will not be as good as him. You didn’t read what I put at all did you? 14 hours ago, SheppyFox said: I’m none too fussed if we lose Chilwell. He will not be easy to replace but he’s the easiest to replace. Edited 30 July 2020 by SheppyFox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 Oh well, he’s off then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 30 July 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 30 July 2020 4 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Oh well, he’s off then ... But the amount in transfer fees we want and the length of your contract might 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 If he is going, no less than £90m.... Rinse the ****ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 12 hours ago, 5waller5 said: You’re good at disagreeing, but not so good making a counter point. if he’s in the top 50-100 current players in the world - where there are 170 odd countries, then the number of better players is less than the amount of countries in the world. so if the best players were evenly distributed to each country then he’d be the best player in a country. I can’t think of a better definition of world class. look forward to your rationale of how he is “far from world class” ...I think for the sake of this discussion, the statement "World Class" is a misnomer!!! A more appropriate description perhaps, would be, In a group of the world's best players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 I'd be anxious to see who we replace him with if he goes. We need someone to cover the whole left side as effectively as Chilwell, Fuchs doesnt have the legs and if we want top 6 again putting all hope on Thomas is risky. No CL is also not helpful to get top players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 5 minutes ago, lgfualol said: I'd be anxious to see who we replace him with if he goes. We need someone to cover the whole left side as effectively as Chilwell, Fuchs doesnt have the legs and if we want top 6 again putting all hope on Thomas is risky. No CL is also not helpful to get top players. Malang Sarr on a free to play LCB in a back 3 and then lob £35m at Filip Kostic to play LWB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Renard Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 We all know how this goes, a few weeks of will he won't he, everyone has to put up with Skysports and the toilet paper press trying to get him his move etc. Fans then get so fed up with the speculation, they just want him to go and get the cash for the club! If the club can get at least 60 million for him, most fans would be pleased. The problem will be Chelsea/Agent trying to destabilise Chilwell in order to drive the price down, we owe them for Kanté.......oh wait, we sold them Drinkwater! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Collar Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 One player who has the same style and can replace or deputise for Chilwell is Rico Henry of Brentford. And he's a year younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gliballs Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 Torn on this. On the one hand, I think Chilwell is massively underrated and used as a scapegoat by a lot of our fans, he's not the perfect LB, but he is incredibly good, and we'd do very well to replace him in the immediate future with anyone of equal calibre. On the other, we do tend to let one starter go each year, for better or for worse, it's where we are as a club. Of our 'stars', I'd be the least disappointed to see Chilwell leave (for good money) rather than Maddison, Wilf, Ricky, Cags etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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