Premier League 2020/21 Thread

[Super_horns 854]

16 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Shoulder apparently due to the new handball rule

Another change that has probably passed people by which does help them understand decisions.

 

 

[martyn 1,388]

Why is this particular decision being bemoaned more than the million similar ones last season? Just because the one angle we saw made Mane look level? 

 

Unless its an incorrect drawing of lines or technology failure, then that's a separate (worse) issue. 

[trabuch 2,249]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If the freeze is consistent across every single check then that’s ok but how would you do that ??. 

You can't. You'd have to take frames per second and relative speed of movement between the defender and attacker into account - let alone when you determine the pass as being made. It's crazy - this wasn't how VAR was sold to us.. Today it has missed a clear and obvious red card and given 2 barely detectable offside decisions.

[Corky 12,846]

4 minutes ago, martyn said:

Why is this particular decision being bemoaned more than the million similar ones last season? Just because the one angle we saw made Mane look level? 

 

Unless its an incorrect drawing of lines or technology failure, then that's a separate (worse) issue. 

It is Liverpool on BT Sport. They'll always make a bigger deal out of it.

 

Their meltdown is glorious.

[Fox in the North 1,486]

Genuinely think they should have markers in their gps vests (That they use for tracking movement anyway) and a set distance inputted to go off for offsides to avoid the issue of arms/legs etc. Will still be close calls but if you can input the same distance, it could be a fairer system.

[turtmcfly 1,866]

5 minutes ago, Bats8711 said:

Lol what? Wider? That’s the opposite of what I want. Those lines should be razor thin.

Don't see how razor thin stops the 'games gone' brigade. If anything it exacerbates the problem - the mirage of technical perfection which can't happen when the technology is controlled by humans. 

 

If the lines were a fair bit thicker (the equivalent a football's width seems too wide, but along those lines) the rule could change such that if the lines overlapped it wasn't offside

[Eskay 173]

I'm sorry ...how has chilwel learned to cross properly in 2 months?!! 

 

He's playing like TAA!

Edited 17 October 2020 by Eskay

[Corky 12,846]

1 minute ago, Eskay said:

I'm sorry ...how has chilwel learned to cross properly in 2 months?!! 

Watching Luke Thomas.

[Hoopla10 98]

Personally I don't think we even need lines. We just have to be sensible about it. They should just freeze frame, look and if it looks off then it's off, if it's too close then give the attacking player the benefit of the doubt. The problem has always been MOTD, or live TV get camera angles and people would see (without these lines) that the linesperson made a clear mistake and constantly moan about it. They weren't getting these rulers out and defining it to the slightest of millimetre, the mistakes would be a foot off and so clearly wrong. The problem it strikes me is that the people who make the rules want to remove ALL element of subjective ruling. It's why we saw that stupid handball rule last season.

[Phube 1,968]

9 minutes ago, trabuch said:

You can't. You'd have to take frames per second and relative speed of movement between the defender and attacker into account - let alone when you determine the pass as being made. It's crazy - this wasn't how VAR was sold to us.. Today it has missed a clear and obvious red card and given 2 barely detectable offside decisions.

• They always use the first frame in which the ball has left the foot. In this case it is always consistent. 
• The lines are drawn in 3D space using multiple camera angles, we only see from the one angle they choose to show us. 
• Offside is offside. 

What pees me off more is the interpretation type VAR's i.e. dives, hand balls, red cards where it is still down to a bloke making crap (IMO) decisions! 

 

[Fox92 11,479]

14 minutes ago, trabuch said:

You can't. You'd have to take frames per second and relative speed of movement between the defender and attacker into account - let alone when you determine the pass as being made. It's crazy - this wasn't how VAR was sold to us.. Today it has missed a clear and obvious red card and given 2 barely detectable offside decisions.

IT hasn't, HE has.

 

Coote is a shit ref and he's controlling VAR. So he's still gonna make shit decisions.

 

If referees can't make correct decisions on the pitch then they ain't gonna make them via a screen.

Edited 17 October 2020 by Fox92

[sheffield_fox 694]

I agree. I'd like to see each VAR decision time limited to 10 seconds. 

 

If 10 seconds of replays isn't enough to change a decision then it's not clear or obvious. 

[TiffToff88 2,516]

3 hours ago, Eskay said:

I'm sorry ...how has chilwel learned to cross properly in 2 months?!! 

 

He's playing like TAA!

It's amazing how much difference it can make to a players confidence to not have his own fans booing him and slating him on social media every week. He's always been a good player with fantastic potential but our fans are just toxic sometimes

Edited 17 October 2020 by TiffToff88

[Fox92 11,479]

Just now, TiffToff88 said:

It's amazing how much difference it can make to a players confidence to not have his own fans booing him every week. He's always been a good player with fantastic potential but our fans are just toxic sometimes

Yep. Sometimes fans don't exactly help. Listen to Lampard talk about his time at West Ham, it's mental to think their fans pushed him out.

[Phube 1,968]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Yep. Sometimes fans don't exactly help. Listen to Lampard talk about his time at West Ham, it's mental to think their fans pushed him out.

As if grown men would boo and hound a talented you footballer who is still improving during their time at a less fancied club?!

[RonnieTodger 3,473]

Seeing pundits and ex pros slag it off is even more enraging, given that they’re the ****ing ones who wanted it to begin with 

[Sunbury Fox 1,429]

Have zero interest in what Chilwell does at Chelsea. He's moved on, he's just another opposition player now. But it is interesting to note that he was withdrawn from the England squad with "an injury" and yet less than 3 days later is starting for Chelsea and setting up a goal. We clearly need to start pulling the same kind of trick to protect our players.

[don_danbury 742]

all that hype for southampton before the season  

[whoareyaaa 2,374]

5 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Seeing pundits and ex pros slag it off is even more enraging, given that they’re the ****ing ones who wanted it to begin with 

I think its causing a lot more controversy than when it wasn't around, without VAR you would maybe have 1 or 2 incidents in a game which anger the fans at most VAR is just creating more problem situations for no reason.  BIN IT

[m4DD0gg 1,486]

Seriously got to ask the question of considering how utterly abject we are at corners why didnt Braindead Rodgers have chilwell taking them

[rachhere 1,864]

46 minutes ago, Corky said:

In the days before VAR, there's no way that is even mentioned post-match.

In the days before VAR they would be praising him for staying level with the last defender

[martyn 1,388]

Don Hutchison saying Chilwell has "gone up a notch" from the player he was at Leicester. He has played 120 mins in the PL for Chelsea. 

 

[bmt 741]

8 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Have zero interest in what Chilwell does at Chelsea. He's moved on, he's just another opposition player now. But it is interesting to note that he was withdrawn from the England squad with "an injury" and yet less than 3 days later is starting for Chelsea and setting up a goal. We clearly need to start pulling the same kind of trick to protect our players.

Oh I do. Its great seeing that most of FT was wrong about something (and very vocally so) - although it is early days.

 

Agree on the England point although players probably more bothered if they're not first choice in England team already.

[Paninistickers 2,163]

35 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said:

It's amazing how much difference it can make to a players confidence to not have his own fans booing him every week. He's always been a good player with fantastic potential but our fans are just toxic sometimes

Totally agree. Im still.amazed man city didn't make a.move for him to replace that absolute tool (in relative terms) Mendy and the sub sub par Zinchenko

[KingsX 5,409]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Leg bends back, similar to Zouma and Ibra?

 

 

Seems we’ve lost any balance between protecting the keeper and protecting the attacker.

 

Can you imagine when Ederson sees that Pickford got away with that?  He’s going to be the most dangerous unarmed man in England.