Ayoze Perez

[Dahnsouff]

Delighted to see Ayoze in the water polo pics from today. 
 

Looked like everyone was there except the Euro folks

[Red Squirrel]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Delighted to see Ayoze in the water polo pics from today. 
 

Looked like everyone was there except the Euro folks

Leicester City (men)

Then Leuven

Then the womens team

Now we've got a water polo team and Ayoze is in it?

[Babylon]

On 22/07/2021 at 07:53, Ric Flair said:

His goal contributions at Newcastle were fairly decent, since he's been here he's found it much harder in a more attacking team perversely.

Newcastle counter attacked, found him higher up the pitch and quicker. We’re finding him deeper, slower and with his back to goal. 
 

His sketchy control and weakness then shows as he loses it too often. 

[NasPb]

If Pérez betters his 19/20 goal return I'll donate 30 pound to the charity of anyone's choice 

[vanity]

I think that, with the what BR wants to play, we are very close to being an elite side. But in his system, to really be dangerous, you have to splurge for two-way outside AMs/wings.

 

We have all seen how Barnes fails as a defender at times, but his attacking at least makes up for it, and I don't think it is an effort thing for HB, he just gets sort of lost at times and wants to hit teams on the break. I mean, I remain hopeful he figures it out.

 

But if we are going to set up like this, and really be an effective attacking team, we prob need a couple more wings who score goals and defend up front. These are obviously rare and pricey. But it seems to be the position we NEED to spend money in this system if we want to be elite. We can get away w cheaper CBs, academy FBs, even some cheaper MFs, but idk how we get out of spending for some attacking wing types who score goals and defend from the front. The system demands it. When we play guys like Ayoze or Albrighton, I mean, they aren't even avg attacking players, and Albrighton's one above avg attacking ability isn't something we can really use with Vardy leading the line. We don't need the crossing bc we aren't playing forwards who can take advantage of it, we aren't playing Slimani up front after all. And when you study the opposition, they clearly shade away from our right side, knowing the left and center is where our likely threats are from. If we can balance our attack by adding a threat on the right, we force teams to spread the defense wider, and make easier for Barnes, Vardy/Daka/Nacho, and Maddison.

[Ric Flair]

On 22/07/2021 at 12:17, KingsX said:

It’s a tenet of modern football: there is much value in getting the ball back within your opponent’s third.  Perez does that.

 

The manager who bought him is still here … still playing him regularly … and also likes to play Albrighton at RW, whose contribution there is mainly defensive.  Under looked more dangerous attacking than either, and couldn’t get a look.

 

Compare Barnes.  We can all agree he is indispensable: gives us another way to move the ball, dangerous when it gets there.  But his defensive stats are poor.  Maybe Rodgers just likes to balance that, with a terrier who never stops attacking the ball.  “Deep green” attacking (stats) on one side, “deep green” pressing and ball recovery on the other.

 

 

Our data crunchers have no doubt been looking for “elite two way wingers”, but the phrase is practically an oxymoron.  Unless and until we can find one, Rodgers will put Perez or Albrighton out there.  Maybe while gritting his teeth, but who knows.

 

Fans don't think Perez’ defensive value-added outweighs his shocking lack of attacking value-added.  But the manager seems to ... and players have to work within the manager’s system.  So I doubt we’ll offload him just to get rid.  Sorry Ric.

 

This is why Soumare has been signed for certain opposition and I've little doubt if we sign a winger permanently they will be able to press and intercept as well as score and create, step forward Matheus Pereira, Viktor Tsygankov etc. 

 

The fact is Rodgers demands goals and assists from his attack minded players, he criticised Perez after 8 goals and 4 assists in his 1st season and completely cut him from the squad and told him to buck his ideas up, cue an even worse season in that regard plus a couple of disciplinary issues. It's a huge season for him, I hope he delivers what he did for Newcastle but we've seen scant evidence here and Rodgers will be just as miffed as we are.

[Deeg67]

Looking around at the top teams both in the PL and Europe's other elite leagues, how many of them have wingers that are almost exclusively defensive-minded?

 

To me this is a matter of ambition.  Albrighton and Perez being viewed as starting-caliber players represents a lack of it.

[Sly]

For me, he was worth the £30m, for the FA Cup Final and Southampton away alone. 
 

Not every attacking player is going to be a goal scorer, that’s why it was bizarre to play him as a 9 at times. His attributes and the stats above suggest he’s best utilised to regain the ball higher up the field. Which is an important factor that goes unconsidered her. Finding players that do that, defend and create / assist, are more difficult and tend to cost more money if establish. 

[volpeazzurro]

On 22/07/2021 at 07:53, Ric Flair said:

His goal contributions at Newcastle were fairly decent, since he's been here he's found it much harder in a more attacking team perversely.

7,6,8 and 12 were his goal tallies at Newcastle as a forward. Bar the last season, as a forward, that struggles to make fairly decent overall for me. With far better players here, in that respect, he's failed to thrive.

 

As someone pointed out, how many top 6 teams accommodate forward players on workrate alone. Albrighton is a shining example of a player if necessary, whose work rate without goals really does makes a difference and Perez is nowhere near that level of contribution. 

[volpeazzurro]

39 minutes ago, Sly said:

For me, he was worth the £30m, for the FA Cup Final and Southampton away alone. 
 

Not every attacking player is going to be a goal scorer, that’s why it was bizarre to play him as a 9 at times. His attributes and the stats above suggest he’s best utilised to regain the ball higher up the field. Which is an important factor that goes unconsidered her. Finding players that do that, defend and create / assist, are more difficult and tend to cost more money if establish. 

But he doesn't retain it that's the point, he more often than not loses or gives the ball away, he a part of the problem. Stats and what is contributory can be very selective and subjective. 

[Fightforever]

Way I see it is he is an average PL player but probably the best we can do for someone who wouldn't kick up a fuss over having to be on the bench and play cup games.

[Sly]

On 21/07/2021 at 20:34, Foxes96 said:

Has he been seen in any of the pre season footage so far?

 

[Mike Oxlong]

22 minutes ago, Sly said:

 

Looks as if he said to his hair stylist “can I have one of these please?”

 

 

 

Edited 24 July 2021 by Mike Oxlong

[murphy]

4 hours ago, Sly said:

For me, he was worth the £30m, for the FA Cup Final and Southampton away alone. 
 

Not every attacking player is going to be a goal scorer, that’s why it was bizarre to play him as a 9 at times. His attributes and the stats above suggest he’s best utilised to regain the ball higher up the field. Which is an important factor that goes unconsidered her. Finding players that do that, defend and create / assist, are more difficult and tend to cost more money if establish. 

 

Have you ever considered what he has cost us on top of that £30m?

 

I see a team that has failed to qualify for the CL twice in a row by the skin of our teeth despite sitting in the top four for all but the last week or two of the season.

 

Whatever the reasons for that, mainly injuries and enforced formation change last year, it is also true that we only needed the slightest of improvements to get over the line.  Everyone contributed last season with one very conspicuous Ayoze Perez shaped exception.  He fell a long way short of the level of his team mates and that has cost us.   He doesn't have to be Harvey Barnes, he just needs to be half-way competent, that's all I ask and that's all we would have needed imo.

 

This is why I'm so hard on him and why I always bite, because the stakes are so high and our dysfunctional right hand side is a like a lead weight.  

 

 

 

Edited 24 July 2021 by murphy

[gerblod]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

 

Have you ever considered what he has cost us on top of that £30m?

 

I see a team that has failed to qualify for the CL twice in a row by the skin of our teeth despite sitting in the top four for all but the last week or two of the season.

 

Whatever the reasons for that, mainly injuries and enforced formation change last year, it is also true that we only needed the slightest of improvements to get over the line.  Everyone contributed last season with one very conspicuous Ayoze Perez shaped exception.  He fell a long way short of the level of his team mates and that has cost us.   He doesn't have to be Harvey Barnes, he just needs to be half-way competent, that's all I ask and that's all we would have needed imo.

 

This is why I'm so hard on him and why I always bite, because the stakes are so high and our dysfunctional right hand side is a like a lead weight. 

[majaco]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

 

Have you ever considered what he has cost us on top of that £30m?

 

I see a team that has failed to qualify for the CL twice in a row by the skin of our teeth despite sitting in the top four for all but the last week or two of the season.

 

Whatever the reasons for that, mainly injuries and enforced formation change last year, it is also true that we only needed the slightest of improvements to get over the line.  Everyone contributed last season with one very conspicuous Ayoze Perez shaped exception.  He fell a long way short of the level of his team mates and that has cost us.   He doesn't have to be Harvey Barnes, he just needs to be half-way competent, that's all I ask and that's all we would have needed imo.

 

This is why I'm so hard on him and why I always bite, because the stakes are so high and our dysfunctional right hand side is a like a lead weight.  

 

 

 

I dislike the forum attacking one player so I generally don't post comments about Perez as my views are so negative.

 

Each game, I hope.he will do something to make a difference; he rarely does 

 

Each game, I seem to hear myself explete, "PEREZ,' as another promising move is deconstructed by him.  This seems to be two or three times a game 

 

For me, he is not a player I want to see in the squad. I can't see him delivering for us.   We have three keepers and twenty outfield players who I want to see in the squad (Amartey being the weakest).  That leaves four squad places (because of Thomas's and Sowah's ages).  Hopefully a right winger comes in.  The other places are then between Benkovic, Choudhury, Mendy and Perez   I would go for the first three.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

So Perez wasn’t in the squad yesterday. Sign that he’s off?

[MGLCFC]

2 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

So Perez wasn’t in the squad yesterday. Sign that he’s off?

Or not fully fit after starting training late.

[weller54]

4 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

So Perez wasn’t in the squad yesterday. Sign that he’s off?

Please let that be true...

[5waller5]

7 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

Or not fully fit after starting training late.

Why would that be the case? He wasn’t on international duty?

[Mike Oxlong]

7 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

Or not fully fit after starting training late.

 

5 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Why would that be the case? He wasn’t on international duty?

Stubbed his toe stepping out of the jacuzzi 

[MGLCFC]

1 hour ago, 5waller5 said:

Why would that be the case? He wasn’t on international duty?

I was just suggesting a reason, not stating a fact. But as it was reported in the national press there had been an outbreak of Covid at LCFC, maybe he had to self isolate. He certainly appeared anonymous in the early training photos. Again, just speculating.

[fox_up_north]

22 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

I was just suggesting a reason, not stating a fact. But as it was reported in the national press there had been an outbreak of Covid at LCFC, maybe he had to self isolate. He certainly appeared anonymous in the early training photos. Again, just speculating.  in a lot of games last season

Fixed 

[sylofox]

10 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

So Perez wasn’t in the squad yesterday. Sign that he’s off?

Ghazzel is off but played, so it's not for that reason.

[NasPb]

If he scores more goals than in 19-20 I'll name my son ayoze