Maddison

[stu]

17 minutes ago, dorsetboy said:

would we even look at a replacement ?

 

would we use the money to buy a right winger and then we could possible have praet,perez and kdh  that can all play as a 10 and thats if brendan decides to go with a formation that utilises a number 10 as we have favoured the 4-3-3 pre season

Pretty sure if we'd had any intention of starting with that formation this season we'd have played it on Saturday.

 

I've not seen any evidence that KDH and Praet can play as a 10 either. Perez could, and he'd probably say that is his favourite position, but he is nowhere near Maddison ability wise to play that role.

Edited 9 August 2021 by stu

[STUHILL]

Leicester boss Brendan Rodgers has warned Arsenal that James Maddison will cost £100m after Jack Grealish's transfer to Manchester City.

 

Your move Arsenal 

[Guest StevieLynex]

2 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Leicester boss Brendan Rodgers has warned Arsenal that James Maddison will cost £100m after Jack Grealish's transfer to Manchester City.

 

Your move Arsenal 

[turlo]

7 minutes ago, surrifox said:

The club seem to have clamped down on leaks and do their business under the radar nowadays . They will have a surprise or two in store I’d be pretty confident of that 

Soumare, Bertrand were leaked months before and Daka a couple of weeks before. Most the links are being leaked by the agents at either end rather than the club themselves. The Vestergaard link is coming out from a  source close to Southampton , now backed up by Tanner who rarely puts his neck on the line.

[mozartfox]

An interesting quote from Arsenal Mania re:  Maddison:-

 

Also, a common sense example: If you go to the luxury fish market, and the fish you want costs something and you leave to look at other markets and species, and come back with the seller telling now the price has gone up because you left, of course you are offended and will opt for better sellers who are not blackmailing you. This is what Wenger did often, leaving such deals untouched.

 

I hope Rudders is on the look out for Edu and his shopping bag.....

[Ric Flair]

43 minutes ago, dorsetboy said:

would we even look at a replacement ?

 

would we use the money to buy a right winger and then we could possible have praet,perez and kdh  that can all play as a 10 and thats if brendan decides to go with a formation that utilises a number 10 as we have favoured the 4-3-3 pre season

We would massively miss James Maddison or a player of his ilk. We'd also be leaving ourselves absolutely no time to get the players in we need in his absence and that's not really how we do things after getting our fingers burnt on Drinkwater and Adrien Silva. 

 

Praet has no future here, if this was even a distinct possibility that we'd sell Maddison and Praet would be his replacement if we needed an ACM as we then look for a right winger then he'd have been way more involved this year and he's nowhere.

[lanefox]

I still don’t understand why some people still think this will happen, the minute ESR signed his new contract and took the no10 shirt there was no chance they’d sign madders

Edited 9 August 2021 by lanefox

[lcfcbluearmy]

25 minutes ago, turlo said:

Soumare, Bertrand were leaked months before and Daka a couple of weeks before. Most the links are being leaked by the agents at either end rather than the club themselves. The Vestergaard link is coming out from a  source close to Southampton , now backed up by Tanner who rarely puts his neck on the line.

We heard about them quite a while before they were officially confirmed but I think they were already pretty much done and the first thing we heard was that we had an offer accepted for them not just that we were interested if I remember right.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, lanefox said:

I still don’t understand why some people still think this will happen, the minute ESM sogned his new contract and took the no10 shirt there was no chance they’d sign madders

I really don't think this is the case. They'd have always expected ESM to sign a new contract - there was never any prospect of him leaving. Their interest in Maddison was never as a replacement for ESM - they just want a more established ACM player too.

 

However, I agree with your view that this transfer most likely won't happen because I just can't see Arsenal offering us the amount we'd require to sell Maddison. If they sign another CM it will likely be Odegaard, Aouar or Silva.

[ALC Fox]

Where to even begin with Arsenal and their deluded fans and ex-players?

 

They are the bigger club, no doubt about it.

 

But signing for them right now from Leicester is a step backwards.

 

Their team is worse, their squad is worse, their manager is worse and less experienced, their recruitment and staffing strategy is scattergun at best, they regularly fail to address glaring weaknesses in the team and they love a big name without really considering where they will fit in.

 

Arsenal's status and financial power means they can still come in, pay big money for one of our players and pay them more money than we can. That's likely to continue for some time yet. And if they do get their ducks in a row, then they have the potential to overtake us again quite quickly.

 

But, they still operate with a short-term mindset. Yes they've made a few signings this summer that indicate more of a focus on the future, but they live in a moment where their fans and ex-players demand something now.

 

How joined up are they really behind the scenes? What's their succession planning like in terms of players and manager? If Aubameyang and Lacazette both go in the next 12 months, are Martinelli, Balogun and Nketiah going to fire them into the Champions League? If Arteta has a bad start to the season, who is in mind to take over?

 

Although you could ask the same questions about us in terms of whether our players or manager get poached by other clubs, but recent history and the knowledge that our club is run by people who know exactly what they're doing. We can be reasonably sure that Rudkin's shortlist of players and managers is constantly changing and we have targets in mind no matter what happens. I don't get that feeling about Arsenal.

 

Arsenal are at a crossroads in my opinion. They can easily slide further into mediocrity culminating, Aston Villa style, in relegation. It might take another ten years or so, but the trapdoor is there if they don't sort themselves out. It's still more likely that they will turn it around and make the Champions League again but the tipping point between being a top side and fighting relegation is as close for them as it's ever been.

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, mozartfox said:

If one drives an electric car, can you still connect a pipe to the exhaust and end it all if we sign Lingard?

....would that be because you do not rate Lingard or due to selling Maddison!!!

 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, ALC Fox said:

Their team is worse, their squad is worse, their manager is worse and less experienced, their recruitment and staffing strategy is scattergun at best

You forgot to mention their owners are way worse too. They don't care at all about Arsenal the club or the fans. That's why I think they will continue to struggle. 

[ALC Fox]

25 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

You forgot to mention their owners are way worse too. They don't care at all about Arsenal the club or the fans. That's why I think they will continue to struggle. 

Yeah 100%

[Carl the Llama]

25 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Weird, they spend 5 minutes calmly accepting that Leicester might be more attractive in the here and now, then go and ruin it by acting surprised that players feel the same about Atalanta (3rd in Serie A, CL regulars, exciting football).

[ALC Fox]

33 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Love how several neutral pundits are saying we're the better choice at the moment and it's the rabid ex-Gooners that just can't handle it 

[Mike Oxlong]

40 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

I could chat with Laura all day long about how Leicester are a better proposition than Arsenal and even better if we were to have that discussion under her duvet 

[Corky]

Is Arsenal a huge step down? Not really, a few points and places. Is it a huge step up? On the last couple of years, no. Is it the best move he could make? Certainly not.

 

This is the problem with lumping the Big Six, top six, Super League lot, whatever you want to call them, into one group. Presently, Arsenal are a way behind four of them who've all won the league, European trophies or finished in the top two in recent years. In the last four seasons Arsenal have won the FA Cup and not qualified for the Champions League.

 

Players want to step up to Champions League. I know the "yeah but Kante etc" argument is brought up but Chelsea had won the league the year before and had just appointed a world-class manager in Conte. Arteta has finished 8th twice.

 

I think if you sat Maddison down and said "stay at Leicester and you might get a top four team in a year", he'd choose that.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

23 minutes ago, Corky said:

Is Arsenal a huge step down? Not really, a few points and places. Is it a huge step up? On the last couple of years, no. Is it the best move he could make? Certainly not.

 

This is the problem with lumping the Big Six, top six, Super League lot, whatever you want to call them, into one group. Presently, Arsenal are a way behind four of them who've all won the league, European trophies or finished in the top two in recent years. In the last four seasons Arsenal have won the FA Cup and not qualified for the Champions League.

 

Players want to step up to Champions League. I know the "yeah but Kante etc" argument is brought up but Chelsea had won the league the year before and had just appointed a world-class manager in Conte. Arteta has finished 8th twice.

 

I think if you sat Maddison down and said "stay at Leicester and you might get a top four team in a year", he'd choose that.

I think outside the Big 4, promises of regular Champions League is a hard sell in England. Even the Big 4 can't guarantee it every year, since chasing pack (Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham, Everton ,Wolves, Villa, and us) might always be in a position of nipping one or two in a given year.

 

What Arsenal and Tottenham can offer are wages, living in London and media attention (less the case for Tottenham, since if they don't survive Kane eventually leaving, they are Everton, and very quickly). The fact is, the next "step" for Leicester is being able to be more competitive on wages with bigger clubs for our star players, even if we will never be able to shell out astronomic transfer fees, or pay stupid wages for squad players. As for media attention, winning trophies is a good way to go about it, even "lesser trophies" like the Community Shield, League Cup, and Europa League.

 

Can't do much about the London thing, though.

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Laura Woods is tidy man. I'd drag my balls through a mile of broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie talkie. 

[KFS]

5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Laura Woods is tidy man. I'd drag my balls through a mile of broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie talkie. 

[turlo]

47 minutes ago, Corky said:

Is Arsenal a huge step down? Not really, a few points and places. Is it a huge step up? On the last couple of years, no. Is it the best move he could make? Certainly not.

 

This is the problem with lumping the Big Six, top six, Super League lot, whatever you want to call them, into one group. Presently, Arsenal are a way behind four of them who've all won the league, European trophies or finished in the top two in recent years. In the last four seasons Arsenal have won the FA Cup and not qualified for the Champions League.

 

Players want to step up to Champions League. I know the "yeah but Kante etc" argument is brought up but Chelsea had won the league the year before and had just appointed a world-class manager in Conte. Arteta has finished 8th twice.

 

I think if you sat Maddison down and said "stay at Leicester and you might get a top four team in a year", he'd choose that.

Agree with pretty much all of that which is why I don't believe all Arsenal based media BS that he's pushing for a move. However, if Leicester were to accept a bid for him I think he will go, simply because he'd no longer feel highly important to the club. 

[Jakemoore]

11 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Laura Woods is tidy man. I'd drag my balls through a mile of broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie talkie. 

Her voice alone turns me on.

[Paninistickers]

4 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

Where to even begin with Arsenal and their deluded fans and ex-players?

 

They are the bigger club, no doubt about it.

 

But signing for them right now from Leicester is a step backwards.

 

Their team is worse, their squad is worse, their manager is worse and less experienced, their recruitment and staffing strategy is scattergun at best, they regularly fail to address glaring weaknesses in the team and they love a big name without really considering where they will fit in.

 

Arsenal's status and financial power means they can still come in, pay big money for one of our players and pay them more money than we can. That's likely to continue for some time yet. And if they do get their ducks in a row, then they have the potential to overtake us again quite quickly.

 

But, they still operate with a short-term mindset. Yes they've made a few signings this summer that indicate more of a focus on the future, but they live in a moment where their fans and ex-players demand something now.

 

How joined up are they really behind the scenes? What's their succession planning like in terms of players and manager? If Aubameyang and Lacazette both go in the next 12 months, are Martinelli, Balogun and Nketiah going to fire them into the Champions League? If Arteta has a bad start to the season, who is in mind to take over?

 

Although you could ask the same questions about us in terms of whether our players or manager get poached by other clubs, but recent history and the knowledge that our club is run by people who know exactly what they're doing. We can be reasonably sure that Rudkin's shortlist of players and managers is constantly changing and we have targets in mind no matter what happens. I don't get that feeling about Arsenal.

 

Arsenal are at a crossroads in my opinion. They can easily slide further into mediocrity culminating, Aston Villa style, in relegation. It might take another ten years or so, but the trapdoor is there if they don't sort themselves out. It's still more likely that they will turn it around and make the Champions League again but the tipping point between being a top side and fighting relegation is as close for them as it's ever been.

Arsenal getting relegated would be tremendous for football and even for themselves. 

 

They'd splurge obscene cash to get back. They'd have managers queuing up.to rebuild them. Championship teams and fans would love playing themnhome.and away. It'd be a major media story. They'd cakewalk the league. 

 

Sadly, their rise back to the top 5 is inevitable though. Its a when.. Not if. Despite their current slump, they are indeed the grand old.club and footballing royalty. 

[HankMarvin]

6 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

I could chat with Laura all day long about how Leicester are a better proposition than Arsenal and even better if we were to have that discussion under her duvet 

Dutch oven fan?