Chilwell

[TeamRocket]

I would say if he aint happy let him go not worth keep unhappy players even tho he seemed happy when we lifted the PL trophy

[smiley]

He has had no meaningful impact on our team yet but if he is unhappy he could have a negative affect. He has parental but that's all at this stage, if he wants to go they should take what they can for him and look for a replacement.

[Patrick]

Why would anybody want to live in liverpool?

 

Culture, history, stunning architecture, plus amazing nightlife and plenty to do and see. Pretty much everything Leicester doesn't have.

 

Contrary to popular opinion scousers are some of the friendliest people you could ever meet too.

[foxes161]

Culture, history, stunning architecture, plus amazing nightlife and plenty to do and see. Pretty much everything Leicester doesn't have.

Contrary to popular opinion scousers are some of the friendliest people you could ever meet too.

now I've heard it all. Stunning architecture? Plenty to see and do? LMAO where do you think this place is? New York or something?

The Liverpool nightlife is about as good as Leicester...they both sell booze. Doesn't make it any better.

[It'sblueupnorth]

now I've heard it all. Stunning architecture? Plenty to see and do? LMAO where do you think this place is? New York or something?

The Liverpool nightlife is about as good as Leicester...they both sell booze. Doesn't make it any better.

They've clearly never been to Liverpool, it's a complete dump. Leicester has vastly superior culture and history as well.

[Patrick]

They've clearly never been to Liverpool, it's a complete dump. Leicester has vastly superior culture and history as well.

 

I lived there for a year on placement at uni. Loved it there. Most cities in the UK can be considered 'dumps' in some way, depending on which area you live/how you look at things.

 

Back on topic, I hope he stays, as all signs suggest he will blossom into a quality left back, but I don't think we're in a position right now where we need to let young unproven players hold us to ransom over contracts, so if he wants to leave, goodbye and best of luck.

[ealingfox]

Liverpool shits all over Leicester for nightlife amongst many other things. Stunning architecture is a bit much but the city centre is well nice these days.

[Stevosevic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/21/liverpool-transfer-news-jurgen-klopp-identifies-leicester-citys/

[Stevosevic]

Seems a shame we're losing our highest rated youngster since probably Heskey for such a small fee and barely playing for us.

I can't think of a youngster we've had that has been this rated at such a young age.

[Bamba's Babes]

Huddersfield? We should have destroyed their tinpot club when we invaded their pitch a few years ago instead of having mercy on the cretins!

 

This is how they repay us?

 

Fecking Huddersfield?

[DangerFox]

It's a shame, he would/could be great to us and our future prospects. Been with us since 10 yo.

But if he doesn't want to stay, then p*ss off!

[Strokes]

Liverpool shits all over Leicester for nightlife amongst many other things. Stunning architecture is a bit much but the city centre is well nice these days.

Why does it have to be about the cities and nightlife? Some of us live in the countryside and Leicestershire takes some beating.

[Foxxed]

They've clearly never been to Liverpool, it's a complete dump. Leicester has vastly superior culture and history as well.

 

You know when we laugh at Spurs posts? Hi there. The city's getting better, but hello there reality.

 

Why does it have to be about the cities and nightlife? Some of us live in the countryside and Leicestershire takes some beating.

 

After growing up there, respectfully disagree. It depends on what you want though I guess.

[Patrick]

Liverpool shits all over Leicester for nightlife amongst many other things. Stunning architecture is a bit much but the city centre is well nice these days.

 

Why is it 'a bit much'? Liverpool has some of the most stunning buildings I've seen in any English city besides London.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Liverpool

[Richmondfox]

Just because Liverpool are ready to open talks the club doesn't have to listen.

[scinnell]

Get rid. He wears his earphone like a absolute c*ck on the picture on the telegraph site.

[Lcfc_lass10]

At the end of the day if he's not happy with his lot then sell him. It's unfortunate as he is, undoubtedly, a talented player but as someone famously once said; "you can't please all of the people all of the time".

Completely agree. Like Ranieri has said, we only want happy players. If he's not happy playing for the champions next season then good luck to him.

[FoxonMaui]

The Chilwell situation is pretty understandable if you look at it in pure business terms. The kid is an exceptional prospect and his contract is up at the end of the month. So a decision has to be made on both sides. He is testing the marketplace to see what he is worth to other clubs. We have to decide what he is worth to us.

So, let's say he goes and we stand to get maybe 5mil at the tribunal. What will we have to pay to sign another young up and coming left back or a proven player in that position. Certainly it will be between five and ten million, and we will have to pay them between 20k and 40k a week. Pool are rumored to be offering him 25k a week and probably he will have a clearer path to Premier League starts.

If he is still open to staying and he is not seen as a "big time Charlie" , then we are still in the driving seat as we are really playing with house money in this negotiation. Why, well let's figure we match what Pool are asking and give him a three year contract, then our cost over three years is 3.9m. That is on the low end of what we would pay his replacement over the same period if it was a proven player we purchased to replace him , plus we would be out perhaps 7 to 10 mil for the transfer fee. If we purchased a young hot prospect from say France for say 3 mil and paid him 15 to 20k a week our total cost over three years would be between 5.3 mil and just over 6mil.

So purely as a business decision, all things being even, we are playing with "house money" here. We can pay Chilwell his 25 or 30k a week (whatever it is that Pool are offering and also paying him a mil signing fee (or more) and still come out even or ahead of the alternate options. On top of this we would have him probably on a three year contract with the potential to sell him on after two years for a substantial profit. Good business in my view.

We have had the "holy grail of seasons" and smashed through the glass ceiling and we are in uncharted territory here. Hopefully the owners and Rudkin are ready for the next level, because it's right here in front of us!

So much for getting time to enjoy the glow of success.

[Fridgechef]

Put in a buy back clause in case he is actually good.

[mozartfox]

A sad day it we let excellent young talent leave us without trying very hard to keep him.  We need younger legs in our squad. Good English young legs are rarer than a Villa win.

[Thracian]

The Chilwell situation only emphasises why I question the value of running the Academy, except as a social service which offers what amounts to an "experience" qualification for those youngsters aspiring to a career in professional football in whatever capacity.

 

Look at the Leicester City forum. There's never any great push to promote Academy graduates. Our transfer forum is full of proposed signings from all over the world but very few from the UK let alone from our Academy.

 

Fans would rather go for newly proven talent already playing senior football at a lower level but who still have unrealised potential and our recent success suggests there's no reason or likelihood that trend shouldn't continue given our recent success.      

 

The world market even for young professionals pushes English graduates further out of the picture and the only way that will change is if clubs have the courage to impose a demand for a minimum feed of graduates to the first team per season...or some other defined period.

 

It's all about focus. I've spent years coaching young people in two sports (at various levels) and honestly don't believe it is unreasonable to expect regular feed through from the amount of talent signed up by Leicester's Academy.

 

Normally I'd say coaches should be measured according to their success but that still depends on the reaction of first team management because if they get incoming/outcoming transfer income and there is no league-wide requirement to include and play graduates, then the Academy coaches are snookered.

 

We've had our moments as an Academy but our level of first team graduation in recent seasons has been lamentable. But, with the financial risks so severe for any bad choices in terms of squad membership or for including "risky" players even for the last 15 minutes of matches, there's just no natural way for graduates to establish themselves at a decent level. 

 

Chilwell serves as an example. He's simply had no real opportunity. Partly because the left-back spot is taken by the admirably consistent Fuchs and partly because there's no other worthwhile football alternative at the club...such as reserve team football in something like Division One or genuine first team squad cup football played on a small-league basis.

 

But Chilwell's not the only example. Moore's been wasted here for a couple of seasons. Even Grey's not had the amount of football he should.

 

But I can't see the situation improving quickly because there isn't the will. And it won't come from the fans because the trend is towards international fan bases now, based on global image. That'll encourage still more proven players rather than anyone from the Academy.         

 

What would I have done about Chilwell? From what little I've seen and on becoming aware of the interest from Arsenal and Liverpool my outsider instinct would have been to play him in fairly significant cameos as often as possible.

 

But I don't see him in training. Ranieri and the senior coaches see him play every training day and I cannot imagine they'd have failed to use him if he really was ready, except out of fear for changing a winning team on its way to winning The Premiership. I wonder what Chilwell would have done (as a manager) if given the same headache. 

[Bayfox]

The Chilwell situation only emphasises why I question the value of running the Academy, except as a social service which offers what amounts to an "experience" qualification for those youngsters aspiring to a career in professional football in whatever capacity.

 

Look at the Leicester City forum. There's never any great push to promote Academy graduates. Our transfer forum is full of proposed signings from all over the world but very few from the UK let alone from our Academy.

 

Fans would rather go for newly proven talent already playing senior football at a lower level but who still have unrealised potential and our recent success suggests there's no reason or likelihood that trend shouldn't continue given our recent success.      

 

The world market even for young professionals pushes English graduates further out of the picture and the only way that will change is if clubs have the courage to impose a demand for a minimum feed of graduates to the first team per season...or some other defined period.

 

It's all about focus. I've spent years coaching young people in two sports (at various levels) and honestly don't believe it is unreasonable to expect regular feed through from the amount of talent signed up by Leicester's Academy.

 

Normally I'd say coaches should be measured according to their success but that still depends on the reaction of first team management because if they get incoming/outcoming transfer income and there is no league-wide requirement to include and play graduates, then the Academy coaches are snookered.

 

We've had our moments as an Academy but our level of first team graduation in recent seasons has been lamentable. But, with the financial risks so severe for any bad choices in terms of squad membership or for including "risky" players even for the last 15 minutes of matches, there's just no natural way for graduates to establish themselves at a decent level. 

 

Chilwell serves as an example. He's simply had no real opportunity. Partly because the left-back spot is taken by the admirably consistent Fuchs and partly because there's no other worthwhile football alternative at the club...such as reserve team football in something like Division One or genuine first team squad cup football played on a small-league basis.

 

But Chilwell's not the only example. Moore's been wasted here for a couple of seasons. Even Grey's not had the amount of football he should.

 

But I can't see the situation improving quickly because there isn't the will. And it won't come from the fans because the trend is towards international fan bases now, based on global image. That'll encourage still more proven players rather than anyone from the Academy.         

 

What would I have done about Chilwell? From what little I've seen and on becoming aware of the interest from Arsenal and Liverpool my outsider instinct would have been to play him in fairly significant cameos as often as possible.

 

But I don't see him in training. Ranieri and the senior coaches see him play every training day and I cannot imagine they'd have failed to use him if he really was ready, except out of fear for changing a winning team on its way to winning The Premiership. I wonder what Chilwell would have done (as a manager) if given the same headache. 

 

 

Interesting point you raise on the value of running an academy system, I see Brentford have recently taken steps to close their's and just have an elite development squad for players from about 17-21 who will work closely with the 1st team to try and create a clear way to 1st team action. They argue it will save them a lot of money as I understand it.

 

 

The flip side to this, is the Chelsea way, the fact that developing players, ie the academy system does not affect FFP means that you can take 100's of youngsters under that banner with no negative affects on your FFP accounting, and all you need is 1 superstar, or in Chelsea's case about 48 average players, but when you sell them at 500k each there's 24 million that counts towards FFP. Sell a few for 4 million each and your laughing.

 

Back to Chilwell, if he's really turning down 18k at his age with no real 1st team action behind him, then I would have to say, just let him go, if you get anything close to 8 million then that probably covers the running cost of the academy for the next few seasons.

 

There's a lot of really good young players, playing locally at the minute, yes they are kids and how they develop, you never know, but I'm shocked by how many are being invited to train with Florist and the sheep, yet I only hear of the odd one or two being invited to our club, either we are very selective and are narrowing the options down, or we aren't active enough in this area, and all this talk of centres in Thailand etc, is taking priority over local talent.

[Ric Flair]

We will do a big overhaul on our academy in the next few years, we've already spent a lot of time and money on it with little success bar gaining Category A status which given our near relegation this season will be a big wake up call. It's important for the club to have success running all through the ages and is essential to comply with FFP and Champions League criteria.

[Gerard]

The Chilwell situation is pretty understandable if you look at it in pure business terms. The kid is an exceptional prospect and his contract is up at the end of the month. So a decision has to be made on both sides. He is testing the marketplace to see what he is worth to other clubs. We have to decide what he is worth to us.

So, let's say he goes and we stand to get maybe 5mil at the tribunal. What will we have to pay to sign another young up and coming left back or a proven player in that position. Certainly it will be between five and ten million, and we will have to pay them between 20k and 40k a week. Pool are rumored to be offering him 25k a week and probably he will have a clearer path to Premier League starts.

If he is still open to staying and he is not seen as a "big time Charlie" , then we are still in the driving seat as we are really playing with house money in this negotiation. Why, well let's figure we match what Pool are asking and give him a three year contract, then our cost over three years is 3.9m. That is on the low end of what we would pay his replacement over the same period if it was a proven player we purchased to replace him , plus we would be out perhaps 7 to 10 mil for the transfer fee. If we purchased a young hot prospect from say France for say 3 mil and paid him 15 to 20k a week our total cost over three years would be between 5.3 mil and just over 6mil.

So purely as a business decision, all things being even, we are playing with "house money" here. We can pay Chilwell his 25 or 30k a week (whatever it is that Pool are offering and also paying him a mil signing fee (or more) and still come out even or ahead of the alternate options. On top of this we would have him probably on a three year contract with the potential to sell him on after two years for a substantial profit. Good business in my view.

We have had the "holy grail of seasons" and smashed through the glass ceiling and we are in uncharted territory here. Hopefully the owners and Rudkin are ready for the next level, because it's right here in front of us!

So much for getting time to enjoy the glow of success.

 

Excellent post apart from the spaces between the paragraphs. 

 

The one advantage we have is Ranieri, Walsh and anyone else who matters will have extensive knowledge on Chilwell and much more than they would on a prospective signing. Hopefully we are the best equipped to judge just how good Chilwell will become. If we think he's going to become a top class player and has the attributes for what a Leicester City side in two years needs from it's full back then we have to bite the bullet and do what it takes to get him to sign.

 

You would like to think that Chilwell signs and gets 10-15 games for the first team next season and in the next 12-18 months he's actually replacing Fuchs from his position on merit.

 

If we think he's going to be a top class player we need to swallow our pride and keep him at any price within reason, if we think he'll just be a decent PL player then let him go.

[les-tah]

...but for the press to come out and say 'Klopp to make Leicesters Ben Chilwell a priority summer target' is just ridiculous lol lol

 

The lad has proved nothing, and is quite frankly embarrassing himself whether its his agent or not.