Harvey Barnes - West Brom (loan)

[brucey]

Why can’t we recall him early Jan, assess him in training, give him some minutes in league games, and if he’s not cutting it send him back to WBA before end of Jan?

 

Edited 7 January 2019 by brucey

[foxile5]

3 minutes ago, brucey said:

Why can’t we recall him early Jan, assess him in training, give him some minutes in league games, and if he’s not cutting it send him back to WBA before end of Jan?

 

Probably some ruling against it but, beyond that, it would stink of poor form from us. 

 

If he's good enough our scouts and management should already know, no? 

[gurru991]

13 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Probably some ruling against it but, beyond that, it would stink of poor form from us. 

 

If he's good enough our scouts and management should already know, no? 

Absolutely Correct.

If we don't know how he is playing and how we will use him then we have bigger problems.

[brucey]

19 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Probably some ruling against it but, beyond that, it would stink of poor form from us. 

 

If he's good enough our scouts and management should already know, no? 

Obviously if we recall him it means we think he’s good enough. But that is an inference from seeing him play against Champ opposition, with different teammates. We don’t really know how he’ll do in the PL until we actually see it.

 

The risk of recalling him is that if it doesn’t work out, his career will stagnate and he’ll end up with the U23s like last season. But if there’s not some rule against it, I don’t get why we can’t send him back IF the recall doesn’t work out as hoped.

[Nicolo Barella]

5 hours ago, brucey said:

Obviously if we recall him it means we think he’s good enough. But that is an inference from seeing him play against Champ opposition, with different teammates. We don’t really know how he’ll do in the PL until we actually see it.

 

The risk of recalling him is that if it doesn’t work out, his career will stagnate and he’ll end up with the U23s like last season. But if there’s not some rule against it, I don’t get why we can’t send him back IF the recall doesn’t work out as hoped.

I imagine it would destroy his confidence if we recalled him and he wasn't good enough for our first team.

[SheppyFox]

7 hours ago, Blue-fox said:

Does anybody else on here fear that if Barnes is recalled he will have a massive weight of expectation on his shoulders that perhaps he won’t have if we leave him there until the summer? 

 

If if he comes back and doesn’t have he greatest of games for a few games then it might knock his confidence/fans write him off. 

Absolutely, if he doesn’t hit the ground running he’ll be written off after 3-4 games.

[mozartfox]

I would be mortified if he was not better than most of that Team Puel presented us with yesterday.

[BACKO]

I'm excited to see what Barnes could do in the remainder of the Premier League season, bring him back and integrate him into the team.  With Riyad gone he is likely to see much more action than the back half of last year, and whilst some on here might write him off after a couple of games, we can be fairly sure Claude wont.

[Tom12345]

With us now being out of the FA Cup and only mid table rankings to play for, perhaps we should just let it be and let Barnes stay out at WBA for a longer term view? We can provide more playing opportunity for others such as Diabete (whom has not featured at all in PL) and Hamza?

 

[siraaj_lcfc]

On 06/01/2019 at 12:08, LinekersApples said:

 

Hair would look decent with gold trim/highlights

 

Edited 7 January 2019 by siraaj_lcfc

[Xen]

4 hours ago, SheppyFox said:

Absolutely, if he doesn’t hit the ground running he’ll be written off after 3-4 games.

3-4 games is optimistic... If he hasn't bagged a goal/assist within his first half of PL football there'll be people getting on his back.

[Tom12345]

4 hours ago, Nicolo Barella said:

I imagine it would destroy his confidence if we recalled him and he wasn't good enough for our first team.

He might absolutely hate Puel if he recalls him but not play him. It is not outside the realms of possibilities with Puel freezing players out for no reason.

[FrankieADZ]

5 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

With us now being out of the FA Cup and only mid table rankings to play for, perhaps we should just let it be and let Barnes stay out at WBA for a longer term view? We can provide more playing opportunity for others such as Diabete (whom has not featured at all in PL) and Hamza?

 

from reports Diabete is meant to be heading out on loan

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Tom12345 said:

He might absolutely hate Puel if he recalls him but not play him. It is not outside the realms of possibilities with Puel freezing players out for no reason.

Oh do enlighten us on this one.

[Tom12345]

1 minute ago, Xen said:

3-4 games is optimistic... If he hasn't bagged a goal/assist within his first half of PL football there'll be people getting on his back.

Yeah, what is happening with Leicester fans recently? It wasn’t too long ago we were in League One.

[Captain...]

We now have 17 games left, 6 against teams that are much better than us and could give us a right tonking (I know we beat Chelsea and Man City recently hence could, but we changed the formation and style up massively to do so) we have 7 or 8 games against teams fighting for survival some will park the bus and set up to frustrate us others will be fired up and go for a high pressing approach which leaves 3 or 4 “normal” games to play in Watford, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham. We saw last season how bad we were against struggling teams in the second half of the season, we lacked motivation they were fighting for their lives. We surrendered 7th place. 

 

Realistically 7th is our peak this season and we are currently there, the only way is down. If Barnes comes back and our results and performances mirror last season it will be a waste of time.

 

If he stays at West Brom they have at least 23 games left possibly more with FA Cup and playoffs. He will get more football, more stability and more confidence. 

 

Obviously he he could come back galvanise the team and inspire us to a top 6 finish, but based on last season and this he is more likely to be isolated and frustrated playing a 4231 where he doesn’t see enough of the ball when he does it is too slow to get to him and he is crowded out.

 

If he stays at West Brom he will come back buzzing and ready to prove himself in preseason to show he deserves to start. Come back now he has to quickly adjust to playing in a team that can’t decide from one week to the next if it is better than Chelsea and Man City or worse than Cardiff and Newport.

 

Trying to integrate with a stable team is hard enough but our Jekyll and Hyde performances mean we are still trying to figure out our best team over a year into Puel’s tenure.

[mozartfox]

Better to integrate someone when we are not in danger of going down,   If he cuts it between now and May, that will be fantastic for LCFC for next season.  With a major re-build taking place in the summer, one less player needing to familiarise himself to what the Manager wants is not a bad thing.

[Edingleyfox]

We are 7th, and to stand any chance of staying there we need another attacking option alongside Vardy and Maddison. Might be better to give Barnes a chance now to give us that potential boost, rather than waiting until next season with question marks remaining as to whether he will make the step up.Surely another striker is a must, but not hearing much in the way of rumours.

[Stadt]

Posters saying we’d get on his back if he didn’t perform immediately  

 

Iheanacho is about the player it’s palpable we’re fed up with. Barnes can’t really do much worse than our current wingers because they barely score or create - Barnes does both 

[Ric Flair]

55 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

With us now being out of the FA Cup and only mid table rankings to play for, perhaps we should just let it be and let Barnes stay out at WBA for a longer term view? We can provide more playing opportunity for others such as Diabete (whom has not featured at all in PL) and Hamza?

 

So the inclusion of Barnes was only going to be worthwhile if it was in the FA Cup? That would be exactly why he should stay at West Brom if we were only going to use him sparingly. This knee jerk reaction that our season is now over because we are out of both cups just shows how ridiculous our fan base has got. I know we won the league and we all buy in to the ambition our owners present to us but let's stop behaving like Arsenal fans. It's a pisser we went out yesterday and it's even more of a pisser we whiffed out of the League Cup when Man City seemed there for the taking but we chose to go with a weaker side. We knew they had a lengthy injury list but we chose to match them with changes and although we came close to getting through it was a needless show of generosity and we'd now have Burton in the semi's. However, that's gone now so we look to the future and we are in a position to finish our 2nd highest ever in the Premier League. Fans can turn their noses up at 7th and yes, in terms of tangible success it means the square root of fcuk all but it would be our 2nd best finish and if we calm down and assess that then it's a real indictment of improvement. If we can get north of 55 points then it's a really good season for us and a sound base to progress from. Should we nose dive now, like we did from a similar position last year then I will be as disgusted as the rest of our fans are right now but it isn't season over as our whole season cannot be based around two cup competitions, it's nonsensical.

 

25 minutes ago, Captain... said:

We now have 17 games left, 6 against teams that are much better than us and could give us a right tonking (I know we beat Chelsea and Man City recently hence could, but we changed the formation and style up massively to do so) we have 7 or 8 games against teams fighting for survival some will park the bus and set up to frustrate us others will be fired up and go for a high pressing approach which leaves 3 or 4 “normal” games to play in Watford, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham. We saw last season how bad we were against struggling teams in the second half of the season, we lacked motivation they were fighting for their lives. We surrendered 7th place. 

 

Realistically 7th is our peak this season and we are currently there, the only way is down. If Barnes comes back and our results and performances mirror last season it will be a waste of time.

 

If he stays at West Brom they have at least 23 games left possibly more with FA Cup and playoffs. He will get more football, more stability and more confidence. 

 

Obviously he he could come back galvanise the team and inspire us to a top 6 finish, but based on last season and this he is more likely to be isolated and frustrated playing a 4231 where he doesn’t see enough of the ball when he does it is too slow to get to him and he is crowded out.

 

If he stays at West Brom he will come back buzzing and ready to prove himself in preseason to show he deserves to start. Come back now he has to quickly adjust to playing in a team that can’t decide from one week to the next if it is better than Chelsea and Man City or worse than Cardiff and Newport.

 

Trying to integrate with a stable team is hard enough but our Jekyll and Hyde performances mean we are still trying to figure out our best team over a year into Puel’s tenure.

Hmmmmm I think half a season being fully integrated in to the first team when we have absolutely no danger of relegation and the perfect environment for Barnes to prosper is very beneficial to both club and player. I am loving what he's doing at West Brom and yes if he stays there then hopefully he will continue in the vein he has done and come back with double figures for goals and assists and be one of the hottest properties in English football, however we are desperate for him ourselves if we want to give ourselves the best shot at finishing the season strongly. We have very little options across attacking midfield, out wide and up front. Are we going to go and buy another winger? Unlikely and even if we do, if they play where Barnes plays then that stunts his growth next season. Get him back and give him a 6 month free hit at settling in, just like it took Chilwell. He would be perfect in this 4-3-3 formation against the better sides and gives us a potential lock picker against stubborn and defensive teams, I cannot stomach watching the current mob any longer.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

I was all for leaving him at WBA. But our attacking options are so poor currently I don't think we can now. He is on form so really should be guaranteed a bench spot at worst, but will likely play many games. After all who is he competing with?

 

Nacho - nah

Ninja - beyond cooked

Gray - delusional

Ghezzal - errr?

Diabate - who?

 

He will get plenty of mins even if he's only half as good as his WBA form suggests.

 

[Ric Flair]

13 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

I was all for leaving him at WBA. But our attacking options are so poor currently I don't think we can now. He is on form so really should be guaranteed a bench spot at worst, but will likely play many games. After all who is he competing with?

 

Nacho - nah

Ninja - beyond cooked

Gray - delusional

Ghezzal - errr?

Diabate - who?

 

He will get plenty of mins even if he's only half as good as his WBA form suggests.

 

LOUDER

[Nod.E]

56 minutes ago, Captain... said:

We now have 17 games left, 6 against teams that are much better than us and could give us a right tonking (I know we beat Chelsea and Man City recently hence could, but we changed the formation and style up massively to do so) we have 7 or 8 games against teams fighting for survival some will park the bus and set up to frustrate us others will be fired up and go for a high pressing approach which leaves 3 or 4 “normal” games to play in Watford, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham. We saw last season how bad we were against struggling teams in the second half of the season, we lacked motivation they were fighting for their lives. We surrendered 7th place. 

 

Realistically 7th is our peak this season and we are currently there, the only way is down. If Barnes comes back and our results and performances mirror last season it will be a waste of time.

 

If he stays at West Brom they have at least 23 games left possibly more with FA Cup and playoffs. He will get more football, more stability and more confidence. 

 

Obviously he he could come back galvanise the team and inspire us to a top 6 finish, but based on last season and this he is more likely to be isolated and frustrated playing a 4231 where he doesn’t see enough of the ball when he does it is too slow to get to him and he is crowded out.

 

If he stays at West Brom he will come back buzzing and ready to prove himself in preseason to show he deserves to start. Come back now he has to quickly adjust to playing in a team that can’t decide from one week to the next if it is better than Chelsea and Man City or worse than Cardiff and Newport.

 

Trying to integrate with a stable team is hard enough but our Jekyll and Hyde performances mean we are still trying to figure out our best team over a year into Puel’s tenure.

It's a good sentiment, but if our management team truly believe in him then all it takes is a frank conversation and the reassurance that he's in our plans regardless of how well the rest of the season goes. 

It's unlikely that he will hit the ground running and a bedding in period would be beneficial. I'd rather him come in this season, underwhelm and then kick on from next season when we have something to play for, than be thrown in at the deep end from the first game and be expected to switch it on.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

If Gray had in anyway developed into the player we hoped, there would be no need to rush Harvey back. However his cameo yesterday showed again that - he is not the Messiah. Harvey is!!!

[Deeg67]

Flaming out of the FA Cup sucks, but it should and will have no bearing whatsoever on Barnes' possible recall.  That's contingent on league position and whether it's good for Barnes' long-term development.  The latter is an open question, but 7th is absolutely 100% worth fighting for - Europe would be a big accomplishment for the club and a building block for what Top and KP are trying to do going forward.