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The "do they mean us?" thread pt 2

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49 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I suggest you check out the wealth of their owners - leaves king power way behind and if they really want to push on with a ten year plan to increase their wage bill year on year (as ffp allows) then they will probably be consistently pushing the top six by 2030 

 

 

Your point ? 

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In the end things can change very quickly in just a few seasons. In recent history, we're the most successful Midlands club when it comes to trophies, and that could be used to mean we're the 'biggest' Midlands club - but there are so many conflicting parameters about what actually constitutes one club being bigger than another that it's basically just a dick-measuring contest. We're pretty big right now, so are Wolves in terms of current performance and in terms of financial health and future prospects I'd say. Villa, Forest, Derby etc are below in terms of recent success and in terms of stability I'd say, yet all have had their day previously and could easily do so in the future - it's just the ebb and flow of our leagues. Let's just enjoy the fact we're in the Prem, realistically aiming for that coveted 7th spot and for the most part not looking behind up towards relegation.

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Us and Wolves are the biggest attractions in the Midlands currently. All the others have potential but we've got Premier League status and therefore the resources to go with it.

 

History doesn't really come into it for potential managers and players, what happens now does. If we were all in the same division it plays a bigger part.

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For thirty-somethings like me Leicester with our two league cups and one league title make us the 6th most successful club in the country in terms of major trophy wins. I couldn't care whether that makes us big or not but it goes to show how hard it is outside of Manchester, Liverpool and London to really have a lot of success.

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50 minutes ago, Babylon said:

This is probably our most boring season in a decade or so... and our Chairman has died in a crash outside the ground, we've sacked our manager and poached Celtics manager who was on for the treble treble. About sums us up.

Last season was about as boring as they come, really.

 

Sack a manager playing boring, ineffective football in October. Hire a manager who was sacked from his previous job for playing boring, ineffective football. Bit of a purple patch, then back to mid table mediocrity. Out of both cups, given up on chasing for 7th and on the beach by March. January window was pretty pointless. Only slightly interesting thing was the Silva debacle, and he turned out to be pretty average for us anyway.

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What I don't get is a lot of these pundits and fans of rival clubs keep saying "who do the Leicester fans think they are? they won't win the league again"... Yeah probably never will but it's called ambition, we have chosen to push as much as we can to elevate our club to the next level.

 

Whilst not on the same level were they saying the same things about Manchester City when they embarked on their ambitious project.

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9 minutes ago, egg_fried_rice said:

Daniel Storey bashes the nail firmly on the head once again: https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/leicester-city-brendan-rodgers-tactics-players-analysis/

 

"As pre-match shots in the arm go, it is unsurpassable. As Leicester City supporters began to file into the King Power, their club delivered the news that all had clamoured for. Seventy-two hours after waving – and worse – their angry goodbyes to Claude Puel on Saturday evening, Brendan Rodgers was named as Puel’s successor. As Rodgers applauded all four corners of the stadium from the directors’ box before kick-off, supporters were more enthusiastic than they have been in months. After the glum darkness of tedium, light shines in.

 

The final moment of acceptance that you have fallen out of love might hit you like a bullet in the night, but the full process is longer and more painful. Divorce comes through a thousand tiny disappointments: spurned opportunities, strained relationships, weakened teams and home defeats. Puel left the touchline with head bowed low. Rodgers has never been a man afraid of holding his head high.

 

Leicester City are in an almost unique position. They could play for another hundred years and never match up to the majesty of 2015/16, locked into a Groundhog Season scenario of just-not-quite and never-can-be-again. Allow that mood to fester and it can eat away at optimism like a disease. That was Puel’s great flaw. The only place Leicester City moved to under his tenure was the middle of the middle lane.

 

But if Leicester’s place in time is unusual, so too is Rodgers’. Celtic is a behemoth of a football club, but in England it is treated a little like international management: very hard to take your reputation forward in huge strides and very easy to go off the radar. The jobs taken immediately after leaving Celtic Park by Celtic’s last five managers: Valerenga, Bolton Wanderers, Middlesbrough, Middlesbrough and Aston Villa. If Leicester is indeed a stepping stone for Rodgers, there is a symbiosis. If he succeeds, so too will they.

 

Rodgers’ reputation is open to almost incessant debate. He would stress that he joins Sir Alex Ferguson as one of only two British managers to finish in the Premier League’s top two in the last 20 years. He would point out too that – for now at least – he has come closer than any other Liverpool manager to winning the Premier League title. If Rodgers’ sunshine optimism understandably invites mockery, a long queue of players are prepared to talk up his management and methods.

 

This is a coup for Leicester, not least because they have persuaded Rodgers to leave Scotland with Celtic on the cusp of a domestic treble. But the truth is that the relationship between club and manager had deteriorated. Rodgers believed that Celtic were failing to back him adequately in the transfer market. Celtic were peeved that Rodgers was fluttering eyelashes to clubs south of the border. He believes he has unfinished business.

 

The next three months also provide Rodgers with a free shot to accumulate some early goodwill ahead of the summer transfer window. If a full preseason always gives a new manager an advantage, Rodgers has bolted on an extra 12 weeks of honeymoon.

 

One thing is certainly true: this strikes as a wonderfully natural fit. Leicester have a young squad of players desperate to be taken on to the next level, and are capable of playing the quick zipping football that Rodgers can blend with his possession-based strategy. Harry Maguire, Ricardo Pereira, James Maddison, Wilfred Ndidi, Ben Chilwell, Demarai Gray and Harvey Barnes all started against Brighton; all are aged 25 and under.

 

Doubt Leicester’s ambition? Have a look at the designs for their new training complex, rated as the most advanced in Europe by engineering specialists. On that land of the former Park Hill golf club, the true legacy of their Premier League title will be built.

 

There is a false accusation regularly labelled at supporters of mid-ranking Premier League clubs that they expect to push into the top six and win trophies. That’s nearly always nonsense, and it’s nonsense here. After 2015/16, Leicester City fans don’t expect anything – they just want to have a little fun."

Fantastic piece, totally in agreement.

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18 minutes ago, egg_fried_rice said:

Daniel Storey bashes the nail firmly on the head once again: https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/leicester-city-brendan-rodgers-tactics-players-analysis/

 

"As pre-match shots in the arm go, it is unsurpassable. As Leicester City supporters began to file into the King Power, their club delivered the news that all had clamoured for. Seventy-two hours after waving – and worse – their angry goodbyes to Claude Puel on Saturday evening, Brendan Rodgers was named as Puel’s successor. As Rodgers applauded all four corners of the stadium from the directors’ box before kick-off, supporters were more enthusiastic than they have been in months. After the glum darkness of tedium, light shines in.

 

The final moment of acceptance that you have fallen out of love might hit you like a bullet in the night, but the full process is longer and more painful. Divorce comes through a thousand tiny disappointments: spurned opportunities, strained relationships, weakened teams and home defeats. Puel left the touchline with head bowed low. Rodgers has never been a man afraid of holding his head high.

 

Leicester City are in an almost unique position. They could play for another hundred years and never match up to the majesty of 2015/16, locked into a Groundhog Season scenario of just-not-quite and never-can-be-again. Allow that mood to fester and it can eat away at optimism like a disease. That was Puel’s great flaw. The only place Leicester City moved to under his tenure was the middle of the middle lane.

 

But if Leicester’s place in time is unusual, so too is Rodgers’. Celtic is a behemoth of a football club, but in England it is treated a little like international management: very hard to take your reputation forward in huge strides and very easy to go off the radar. The jobs taken immediately after leaving Celtic Park by Celtic’s last five managers: Valerenga, Bolton Wanderers, Middlesbrough, Middlesbrough and Aston Villa. If Leicester is indeed a stepping stone for Rodgers, there is a symbiosis. If he succeeds, so too will they.

 

Rodgers’ reputation is open to almost incessant debate. He would stress that he joins Sir Alex Ferguson as one of only two British managers to finish in the Premier League’s top two in the last 20 years. He would point out too that – for now at least – he has come closer than any other Liverpool manager to winning the Premier League title. If Rodgers’ sunshine optimism understandably invites mockery, a long queue of players are prepared to talk up his management and methods.

 

This is a coup for Leicester, not least because they have persuaded Rodgers to leave Scotland with Celtic on the cusp of a domestic treble. But the truth is that the relationship between club and manager had deteriorated. Rodgers believed that Celtic were failing to back him adequately in the transfer market. Celtic were peeved that Rodgers was fluttering eyelashes to clubs south of the border. He believes he has unfinished business.

 

The next three months also provide Rodgers with a free shot to accumulate some early goodwill ahead of the summer transfer window. If a full preseason always gives a new manager an advantage, Rodgers has bolted on an extra 12 weeks of honeymoon.

 

One thing is certainly true: this strikes as a wonderfully natural fit. Leicester have a young squad of players desperate to be taken on to the next level, and are capable of playing the quick zipping football that Rodgers can blend with his possession-based strategy. Harry Maguire, Ricardo Pereira, James Maddison, Wilfred Ndidi, Ben Chilwell, Demarai Gray and Harvey Barnes all started against Brighton; all are aged 25 and under.

 

Doubt Leicester’s ambition? Have a look at the designs for their new training complex, rated as the most advanced in Europe by engineering specialists. On that land of the former Park Hill golf club, the true legacy of their Premier League title will be built.

 

There is a false accusation regularly labelled at supporters of mid-ranking Premier League clubs that they expect to push into the top six and win trophies. That’s nearly always nonsense, and it’s nonsense here. After 2015/16, Leicester City fans don’t expect anything – they just want to have a little fun."

I always find it odd when people comment about his Self Belief or so called 'arrogance'. If there's one lesson in life that took me a long time to learn its that "if you don't believe in yourself than who will?"

How could you ever do what he does and not believe in yourself. Mystifying.

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2 hours ago, gerrytaggart said:

If you measure the size of club on the amount of front page headlines around the world then we are definately up there with the elite.

Don't be silly it's measured on Twitter followers:

 

Leicester City: 1.2m

Celtic: 611k

 

We win.:ph34r:

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3 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

He's right as well, where does a mid table club go once it wins the big one and the realisation sets in that "that's it" . Similar to that film with the arsenal supporter, we go down and watch them but deep down everyone knows that the 15/16 season was our everest.

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4 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

"It has been rare to watch a genuinely bad Leicester performance under his managership. Kasper Schmeichel remains an effervescent presence between the sticks. Between Harry Maguire and Ben Chilwell, their defence is one laden with young talent. Wilfred Ndidi has matured into the defensive midfielder many thought he could be. Twenty-one-year-old academy graduate Harvey Barnes has terrified teams with his pace and directness.

Most significantly, attackers James Maddison and Jamie Vardy have formed an almost telepathic, likely-lads-esque on-pitch relationship; at times so in sync they border on indistinguishable"

 

 

Eh? Aside from Chilwell it's hard to pick a player that hasn't regressed this season. Vardy always poses a goal threat but has been a passenger for large parts of the season, his relationship with Madders is far from telepathic, nothing compared to Varhez.

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12 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said:

"It has been rare to watch a genuinely bad Leicester performance under his managership. Kasper Schmeichel remains an effervescent presence between the sticks. Between Harry Maguire and Ben Chilwell, their defence is one laden with young talent. Wilfred Ndidi has matured into the defensive midfielder many thought he could be. Twenty-one-year-old academy graduate Harvey Barnes has terrified teams with his pace and directness.

Most significantly, attackers James Maddison and Jamie Vardy have formed an almost telepathic, likely-lads-esque on-pitch relationship; at times so in sync they border on indistinguishable"

 

 

Eh? Aside from Chilwell it's hard to pick a player that hasn't regressed this season. Vardy always poses a goal threat but has been a passenger for large parts of the season, his relationship with Madders is far from telepathic, nothing compared to Varhez.

That bit about Vardy and Madderz I was unsure about too. He's defo gone over the top there

Maybe they have been indistinguishably ineffective?

 

Chilwell is loads better this season than last season. Maybe next season he'll use his right foot and be a beast

 

Ndidi hasnt come on massively imo, but he has scored with his dick. Thats pretty good. Havent seen it before

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