Premier League Thread 2019/20

[lcfcsnow]

As that’s 12 games now hopefully that’s the end of it taking over names on shirts and kneeling before matches 

[BenTheFox]

3 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Has Dyche ever had any black players at Burnley? I can't think of any off the top off my head. 

 

I'm not implying anything, just wondering?

 

Are they the only all white squad in the Premier League?

Marvin Sordell and our very own Lloyd Dyer. 

[brucey]

Naby Keita being accused of sexual assault on Twitter

[Leicester_Loyal]

9 minutes ago, brucey said:

Naby Keita being accused of sexual assault on Twitter

Jesus, football Twitter is going into overdrive tonight.

 

I've saw the tweet and it doesn't make sense to me. The daughter is texting her mum scared, saying a man is touching her up, but the mum doesn't call the police, only says she'll ring an Uber.

 

Plus are you allowed to take pictures of police evidence bags?

 

I imagine they'll be public cries to get it investigated further now anyway, so if it is true then I hope he gets the punishment he deserves.

Edited 22 June 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[Nod.E]

As somebody who works in advertising, I said from the start that BlackLivesMatter, as a line, is weak.

 

It misses the point, and here we are now with the conversation turning to address the inevitable 'all lives matter' and even 'white lives matter' responses. This is the manifestation of exactly why it's rubbish.

 

Just the connotations of the word 'matter', for instance. It lends itself to sentence endings like 'as well'. Is that really a message of empowerment? An afterthought? Is that really the message we need to address mass incarceration and criminalisation of black people? For me, it drives an even bigger wedge between 'the educated' and 'the non educated'. Racists' beliefs that people of colour are somehow below their level is only re-enforced by this message.

 

Of course it leads idiots from poorer backgrounds, who feel their lives aren't valued following years of austerity, to hit back. And so what are we even achieving apart from noise, anger and riots?

 

I don't imagine somebody waking from their council house in Sunderland tomorrow morning is likely to be that arsed about the pleaful trill of 'we matter as well sob sob', as they're far more concerned about what the fvck they're going to eat today.

 

So yeah.

 

'White lives matter' - annoyin'

'Black lives matter' - bad comms, therefore  also annoyin' to me as somebody in the profession

Edited 22 June 2020 by Nod.E

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

Is Bent pushing for BAME quotas? How is he so ignorant? 

[Dan LCFC]

Good on McNeil to call Bent out - disappointed in Bent who I've generally quite liked, that he's another race baiter.

[SemperEadem]

Some absolute idiots from our support defending that banner last night on twitter. Shameful 

[st albans fox]

27 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Some absolute idiots from our support defending that banner last night on twitter. Shameful 

if you’ve been a regular in our away end then you wouldn’t  be surprised ..........

[st albans fox]

8 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

Surely that’s libellous ???

[StanSP]

7 hours ago, lcfcsnow said:

As that’s 12 games now hopefully that’s the end of it taking over names on shirts and kneeling before matches 

Says a lot about people who were itching for these 12 games to be over to not see the slogan/kneeling any more. Like those who say they'll stop watching football because of it or won't go to any more games of ours because our club dared to support wanting equality for people. 

 

Pathetic. 

[StanSP]

The guy responsible for the plane thing at Burnley   

 

 

 

Terrible human. 

[STEVIE B]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

The guy responsible for the plane thing at Burnley   

 

 

 

Terrible human. 

Some of that isn’t even recent. How can it not have been flagged up before?

 

[Nalis]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Says a lot about people who were itching for these 12 games to be over to not see the slogan/kneeling any more. Like those who say they'll stop watching football because of it or won't go to any more games of ours because our club dared to support wanting equality for people. 

 

Pathetic. 

On a side note, I'm going to play devil's advocate here - if we continue to have black lives matter on the back of players' shirt for the rest of the season, does that run the risk of devaluing and diluting the impact?

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Nalis said:

On a side note, I'm going to play devil's advocate here - if we continue to have black lives matter on the back of players' shirt for the rest of the season, does that run the risk of devaluing and diluting the impact?

Think all the vandalism under the guise of BLM is way on the way to doing that sadly  

[joachim1965]

I think this sums it up perfectly.

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

Some absolute idiots from our support defending that banner last night on twitter. Shameful 

When we’ve had people claiming the BLM movement is some Marxist, leftist political thing.
 

Choosing to side yourself on that plane message orchestrated by a EDL member and blatant racist....at what point do we say the counter arguments are led by far right, borderline fascists? Despite claims it’s a ‘normal’ response to BLM 
 

 

[UniFox21]

4 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

When we’ve had people claiming the BLM movement is some Marxist, leftist political thing.
 

Choosing to side yourself on that plane message orchestrated by a EDL member and blatant racist....at what point do we say the counter arguments are led by far right, borderline fascists? Despite claims it’s a ‘normal’ response to BLM 
 

 

The type of people who side themselves with the plane banner as a 'normal' response are also those you can't have a discussion with about it due to them being unable to see any other view but their own.

 

I've gained respect for Ben Mee for his response, really showed himself in a good light. 

[HighPeakFox]

28 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The type of people who side themselves with the plane banner as a 'normal' response are also those you can't have a discussion with about it due to them being unable to see any other view but their own.

 

I've gained respect for Ben Mee for his response, really showed himself in a good light. 

The poor fellow will probably be getting called all sorts of horrific things now on social media by 'patriots'.

[CosbehFox]

46 minutes ago, Nalis said:

On a side note, I'm going to play devil's advocate here - if we continue to have black lives matter on the back of players' shirt for the rest of the season, does that run the risk of devaluing and diluting the impact?

It’s not happening for the rest of the season. A badge will be on the arm of the shirts. 
 

But your point is poignant to the entire debate. Once it dies down, that’s when actions need to begin 

[Foxin_Mad]

27 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

When we’ve had people claiming the BLM movement is some Marxist, leftist political thing.
 

Choosing to side yourself on that plane message orchestrated by a EDL member and blatant racist....at what point do we say the counter arguments are led by far right, borderline fascists? Despite claims it’s a ‘normal’ response to BLM 
 

 

Lets be clear the plane stunt was an unnecessary, idiotic response from a racist.

 

As previously stated, I am fully behind an Anti-Racism movement. 

 

However, I still question whether BLM is actually that. This is their words from their GoFundMe page:

 

Quote

Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities. 

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.

How is that not leftist and a bit Marxist? Honestly?

 

Anti-Racism, equality, better treatment, education, raise awareness, review and reform, I can get behind fully 100%.

 

Dismantling Capitalism - No! The Irony of having the biggest shows of capitalism Premier League football supporting a cause to well - destroy itself! I do wonder if people can actually read or know what they are supporting here. I think its the wrong organisation for the cause its dangerous because they are stirring the wrong kind of people and by their other ideological agendas giving those people some form of legitimacy. 

 

Why not just say. Black Lives Matter - our aim is to eradicate racism, through awareness, education and reform. Keep the message simple and undiluted. 

 

Anyway, capitalist football has displayed this message. It has provoked a few discussions. Will it change much?

[yorkie1999]

10 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

Marvin Sordell and our very own Lloyd Dyer. 

Aaron Lennon

[CosbehFox]

 

5 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Lets be clear the plane stunt was an unnecessary, idiotic response from a racist.

 

As previously stated, I am fully behind an Anti-Racism movement. 

 

However, I still question whether BLM is actually that. This is their words from their GoFundMe page:

 

How is that not leftist and a bit Marxist? Honestly?

 

Anti-Racism, equality, better treatment, education, raise awareness, review and reform, I can get behind fully 100%.

 

Dismantling Capitalism - No! The Irony of having the biggest shows of capitalism Premier League football supporting a cause to well - destroy itself! I do wonder if people can actually read or know what they are supporting here. I think its the wrong organisation for the cause its dangerous because they are stirring the wrong kind of people and by their other ideological agendas giving those people some form of legitimacy. 

 

Why not just say. Black Lives Matter - our aim is to eradicate racism, through awareness, education and reform. Keep the message simple and undiluted. 

 

Anyway, capitalist football has displayed this message. It has provoked a few discussions. Will it change much?

We’ve been here before, so I’m not going to over go same ground repeatedly except this once. 
 

Why is the plane message viewed as a stunt yet the idiotic monument spray painting not judged as the same sort of stunt by an idiot? 
 

The language is emotive but you failing to read the sentence as a whole. 
 

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world.

So it’s attacking the capitalism that disproportionately harms black people. Not capitalism as a whole. In fact your example of the Premier League is an example of a capitalism venture which has supported non-white communities.

 

[UniFox21]

33 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

The poor fellow will probably be getting called all sorts of horrific things now on social media by 'patriots'.

Can imagine he's being hit with ridiculous abuse for supporting what's right 

[Chrysalis]

I dont support racism, but I find BLM to have racist traits.

 

Their web page before it got edited had all sorts of worrying things on it.

 

They wanted to abolish the police.

They pointed out they are an all black organisation at the leadership level as if they were proud of it.

I think the motto should be "all lives matter" instead of "black lives matter", the latter was inevitably going to draw out the white extremist groups and a counter "white lives matter".

There is also no concern for safety with the protests, lack of social distancing and some fights.

 

I have also noticed the passive aggressiveness towards people who are not openly supporting the group, people been accused of been racist just because they dont openly back it.

 

They act as if racism only works one way which is white people been racist to black people.

There is a flawed view that if a race is statistically a loser in a situation then it is racism (systemic racism).

Do they believe positive discrimination is ok? (positive discrimination is a form of racism).

 

The best ideas and things to come out is not from the BLM group themselves but from journalists interviewing people, e.g. a muslim lady pointing out that she had to change her name to get job interviews which highlights that anonymous application forms (and cv) would be a good thing.

 

The things that BLM believe in is a lot more than just trying reduce anti black racism, they have a very powerful agenda, and it makes corbyn look very passive by comparison.

Edited 23 June 2020 by Chrysalis