The VAR thread

[Dave Fishwick]

should have been no goal and direct free kick awarded to us

[Stadt]

We get more 'correct' decisions now but at the cost of the most entertaining sport in the world becoming much f ucking worse

[ozleicester]

3 hours ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Nah, someone who’s favourite position is missionary would be precise and correct with their decision making in a smugly confident way.

 

Var is dreamt up by a virgin who’s skimmed through the Kamasutra then tries to fumble through as many of the 64 positions as possible in his two minutes of premature humping.

and ends up with anal

[Nicolo Barella]

Am fuming. The FA Cup have taken a necessary idea and twisted it to the point of stupidity, and they refuse to rectify their own errors due to their own stubbornness.

[fox_favourite]

VAR favours the defending team, that's what's killing it. 

[Col city fan]

7 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

VAR favours the defending team, that's what's killing it. 

Spot on 

[Dorkingfox]

He is an interesting extract from a fan/writer down under, summing up that joke VAR!

 

This age-old sport, one that has gifted so much joy to people from contrasting backgrounds, has become the victim of technology and automation at its finest. The so-called ‘fool proof’ system of VAR is robbing football of goals and it might just have called the worst call an official has made in its short but fractured history.

Let me just establish this, I am not a Foxes fan, nor am I a Canaries fan — but as a neutral, I was genuinely disappointed (not angry) with the decision to chalk off Kelechi Iheanacho’s perfectly-taken goal just before the hour mark.

With the score locked at 0-0, the Nigerian challenged for the ball with Norwich defender Ben Godfrey. In tangling for possession, the ball unintentionally struck the arms of both players before falling at the feet of Iheanacho. Neither player appealed — why would they? With the goal in his sights, Leicester striker Iheanacho took another touch before lashing a shot past Norwich goalkeeper Tim Krul.

The forward wheeled away in celebration towards the corner flag as the Foxes fans seated in the away section erupted, but they soon came to realise that they’d travelled almost three hours and 150 miles for nothing. The cheers soon turned to groans as the giant screen within Carrow Road confirmed everyone’s worst fears, VAR was about to get involved.

In other words, it was about to take centre stage to put a huge and unnecessary magnifying glass on a tiny incident that didn’t impact the game at all, g ranted, the ball struck Godfrey and Iheanacho’s arm, right? So play on. But this is VAR, and not every decision is as straight forward and rationally thought-out as you’d expect. Instead of playing on or even awarding a handball against Norwich (seeing as though the ball hit Godfrey’s arm first), the video referee did the unthinkable.

After over two minutes of deliberation (that’s right, you thought The Bunker in the NRL was bad) the goal was ultimately chalked off. Iheanacho was denied a brilliant moment, Leicester were denied a chance to undoubtedly cement their place in the top four and the fans were denied their moment to truly let it all go — to passionately celebrate a goal.

What’s it going to come down to? Will fans stop celebrating goals in fear that it could be disallowed before the restart? As the camera panned out, even the relegation-battling Norwich fans looked baffled by the decision.

“We think it’s very, very harsh,” said Foxes boss Brendan Rodgers after the game. “I’m not sure exactly what the ruling is, but obviously it hits their player’s arms first”. “I’ve watched a lot of games this week in the Champions League and Europa League and they seem to get to the decisions much quicker than they do in the Premier League.”

This is what I’m talking about, this is why VAR has to go! Forget the stupid lines and fancy graphics that tell you how many millimetres offside a player is. Forget the countless off-the-ball incidents and red card tackles missed by VAR, what really upsets us fans is if you take away our goals — that’s when things start getting seriously toxic, as now my natural reaction is disappointment, why? Because we’re being cheated.

 

[Pliskin]

Without writing war and peace one of the following needs to happen.

 

1. VAR outdates the rules of the game, if VAR is to stay then the rule book needs amending, as at the moment pretty much every goal is being chalked off.

 

2. VAR needs to go, it’s being used far too much and is disrupting the game, that hand ball decision was laughable and yet again it highlights how pathetic the game has gone. 

[astoriafox]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Without writing war and peace one of the following needs to happen.

 

1. VAR outdates the rules of the game, if VAR is to stay then the rule book needs amending, as at the moment pretty much every goal is being chalked off.

 

2. VAR needs to go, it’s being used far too much and is disrupting the game, that hand ball decision was laughable and yet again it highlights how pathetic the game has gone. 

Implement when it is used differently,

 

I believe VAR can be good for the game but is used incorrectly.

Clear and obvious to means that it has been seen by a player or players &/or officials, but has been missed by the referee for whatever reason.

Use a challenge system whereby the captain can call one VAR per half (carried over if correct) or the referee can call VAR if he genuinely believes that he is unsure of a major decision to make.

After all, if no players on the pitch see it and complain to their captain, no officials see it and after the game there appears to be a toe offside, a slight handball, a dive, then who can complain????

Todays goal would have stood, but on the other hand, Wolves handball in the opener would not have been seen and Tottenham's toe offside goal against us would have stood as nobody on the pitch saw it, only VAR, therefore to me that cannot be Clear and Obvious!

It would also give the captain more responsibility and if you have the ruling that only the captain and / or manager can make the call, then it would become more tactical as they would only trust who they think are their honest players / team mates and not heir divers / feigners.

 

[JimmyB]

Absolutely hate VAR, for me it’s completely ruining the game. Whether that’s watching at the ground and not really being able to celebrate a goal until the oppo have kicked off or watching on TV and seeing a perfectly good goal scored and knowing it’s going to be chalked off because the laws of the game are now a joke. 

 

I can completely accept decisions like last night, with the rules as they are it was clearly correct, probably not fair but definitely correct. What is not ok is the shear ridiculousness of some decisions nowadays, firstly on the pitch and then by the VAR, it’s absolute madness. 

 

I remember very early in the season we were said to be one of the biggest beneficiaries are VAR, because of decisions like the handball for Wolves disallowing their goal, apparently we were lucky even if it was 100% the correct decision. Was it Son caught offside for a goal at the King Power? Massively changed the game but with the technology, clearly the correct decision. More recently a point gained at Wolves because of an innocuous but yet again correct offside call. 

 

It just seems that, with my blue tinted specs on, whenever a referee or a VAR have to give a decision based on opinion rather than fact, we’re getting diddled, and for me, we have been all season. 

 

Primarily against the bigger teams, any coming together in the box has been a penalty to them, consistently very soft decisions going against us, decisions where because we now have VAR the on field ref will give it because he’s probably thinking ‘if it’s an awful decision, VAR will overrule it’. Problem is, if there’s any contact, even if it’s initiated by the attacker, it’s not getting overruled.

 

Not just regarding us but this led to a spate of really soft penalties, that in my opinion probably wouldn’t have been given without the VAR. 

 

The ones involving us that I can think of:

 

Rashford throwing himself to the ground at Old Trafford after jumping in front of Soyuncu. 

Mane doing some sort of somersault when Albrighton tickled his calf. 

Sterling throwing himself over Pereira’s leg in the defeat at City. 

 

On the flip side, similar to the above incidents, Vardy being tripped at home against Everton and exaggerating the fall, no penalty and a yellow for diving, VAR agrees, there’s simply no consistency. 

 

Handball is a joke also, I do think regarding ruling out goals when a hands involved they’ve got those correct in all our games from what I’ve seen. That Burnley v Bournemouth game the other week though, what a farce that was. Just embarrassingly bad. The 2 handballs that we’re given were clearly shoulder, the decisions were atrocious. Those 2 decisions actually created a 3 goal swing in a game for team battling to avoid relegation, Bournemouth must’ve been livid. 

 

Big club bias with handball in our games has been clearly evident too, I think we all agree that Praets was a penalty no doubt, but The De Bruyne and Rudiger a few weeks ago were laughable, to me both players moved there hands to the ball, it’s madness. 

 

Another one that annoyed me was at home when we got battered by the Scousers, we were well in the game at 1-0 and actually having our best spell of the match when the penalty was given against Soyuncu. 

 

His hand is by his side, you’ve got probably the best crosser in the country whipping in a corner and Vardy I think misses a header 5 yards in front of him, he’s tucking his hand behind his back when it hits him, not a chance he means to handle it. 

 

No doubt we’ve been garbage lately too to be fair but it’d be a massive shame if these decisions and  our loss form actually ended in us missing out on the Champions League after we’d found ourselves in such an amazing position. 

[Brooksy]

Killing my love for the game. If you can't celebrate a goal what's the point?

[Legend_in_blue]

VAR - Video "Assistant" Referee.

 

"Assistant."

 

It isn't assisting, it's making the decisions.

 

That's the problem right there.

 

Any VAR call should be on the referee's insistence, controlled by the on-pitch referee, the pitch side monitors should be used by the on-pitch referee and the on-pitch referee makes the final call.

 

VAR should be "assisting" by giving clarity to the on-pitch referee who then makes THE DECISION.

 

 

The FA has implemented the system in the worst way possible.  FIFA should step in and sort it out.  Mike Riley also needs to walk before he is fired.  

 

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

 

 

It just seems that, with my blue tinted specs on, whenever a referee or a VAR have to give a decision based on opinion rather than fact, we’re getting diddled, and for me, we have been all season. 

 

Not just regarding us but this led to a spate of really soft penalties, that in my opinion probably wouldn’t have been given without the VAR. 

 

The ones involving us that I can think of:

 

Rashford throwing himself to the ground at Old Trafford after jumping in front of Soyuncu. 

Mane doing some sort of somersault when Albrighton tickled his calf. 

Sterling throwing himself over Pereira’s leg in the defeat at City. 

 

 

You’ve confused me a bit

 

those three pens were all given by the on field ref. The var didn’t give them. He didn’t over rule them but none of the three were a clear and obvious error so why would he. 
 

Without var, those three pens still exist .......I still think we are well in the plus column re var overturn calls. Without var, I think we would have less points.  

[Rasmic123]

I'm done arguing this. Get rid of it and change the handball rule. Thought it was harsh when wolves got one chalked off against us at the start of the season and the one last night was utter bollocks

[when_you're_smiling]

The thing with VAR is for much of it you’re at the mercy of the camera angles available.

 

Fully believe Nacho man that he didn’t handle it and one angle backs it up. If you’re looking for reasons to disallow something you’re quite likely to find at least one angle that supports that theory.

[davieG]

Also VAR is so one eyed. In the Watford Man U disallowed goal Deeney was being held by Maguire, Nacho goal it was handball by the Norwich player but it would seem incidents like this happening are not allowed to be considered or far worse being ignored as all focus is on the handball linked to the goal..

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

Also VAR is so one eyed. In the Watford Man U disallowed goal Deeney was being held by Maguire, Nacho goal it was handball by the Norwich player but it would seem incidents like this happening are not allowed to be considered or far worse being ignored as all focus is on the handball linked to the goal..

The maguire deeney hold wasn’t considered significant enough to check In detail re an overturn and the defenders handball last night was in no way intentional - I take your point that it seems a bit unfair to make a call on an innocuous looking offence and ignore other innocuous ones going on at the same time ..... however, the handball/goal offence is non debatable (assuming it does hit the arm)

 

I hadn’t seen Kel’s interview where he says he definitely didn’t touch it with his arm ..... Mind you, kel has been known to not really know what’s going on ! 

 

 

[bmt]

I think we’re all blaming VAR (which I agree with as its killed the game) but the changed rules this year are equally bad

[davieG]

29 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

The maguire deeney hold wasn’t considered significant enough to check In detail re an overturn and the defenders handball last night was in no way intentional - I take your point that it seems a bit unfair to make a call on an innocuous looking offence and ignore other innocuous ones going on at the same time ..... however, the handball/goal offence is non debatable (assuming it does hit the arm)

 

I hadn’t seen Kel’s interview where he says he definitely didn’t touch it with his arm ..... Mind you, kel has been known to not really know what’s going on ! 

 

 

Well it’s obviously a matter of opinion but Maguire had a firm hold of Deeney before the hand ball and I’ve seen less holding (eg Morgan) penalised. For me I thought it was quite significant and should have been called.

 

How and who decides whether a parallel incident is significant or not?
 

VAR can’t and is not solving the inconsistency and generally poor decision making by refs in fact I’d argue it’s exacerbating them and spoiling the games with no significant advantage for the fare paying fans.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well it’s obviously a matter of opinion but Maguire had a firm hold of Deeney before the hand ball and I’ve seen less holding (eg Morgan) penalised. For me I thought it was quite significant and should have been called.

 

How and who decides whether a parallel incident is significant or not?
 

VAR can’t and is not solving the inconsistency and generally poor decision making by refs in fact I’d argue it’s exacerbating them and spoiling the games with no significant advantage for the fare paying fans.

The general point is that the on field ref needs help but all VAR seems to be doing (away from factuals like offside ) is exacerbating the inconsistency of the refereeing by introducing mistakes from the idiot watching the screen that the on field ref hasn’t seen ...

[Matt]

 

As I was saying in the Reconsidering VAR thread last week;

 

On 23/02/2020 at 03:25, Matt said:

Out of interest do other countries have the issues we are having? If not why? And why haven’t we consulted other countries and how they use it?

 

[Spudulike]

15 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

As I was saying in the Reconsidering VAR thread last week;

 

 

What would've been decided in the case of last night's incident in other Euro leagues? 

[StanSP]

11 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

What would've been decided in the case of last night's incident in other Euro leagues? 

I think the conclusion would have been that it wasn't conclusive it hit Iheanacho's arm and that it came off Godfrey's arm first so Kelechi couldn't do anything about it.

[red5]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

I think the conclusion would have been that it wasn't conclusive it hit Iheanacho's arm and that it came off Godfrey's arm first so Kelechi couldn't do anything about it.

Well that's conclusive then, hand-ball. The right decision was made.

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, red5 said:

Well that's conclusive then, hand-ball. The right decision was made.

what? I said it wasn't conclusive that it hit Kelechi's arm. Therefore goal would remain...