Greg2607 Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 I think we can all agree that the club has outgrown him. We think he would suit a lower prem team, which is the type of club he joined. We have bigger aspirations these days. It happens. Good luck to the lad wherever he ends up.
The People's Hero Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 Unassuming lad but with a bit of a persecution complex and advisers who are probably harming him as opposed to helping. Genuinely hope it works out for him, but suspect he might end up looking back at his career and questioning some of the advice he chose to take. We all only get one life though, and no one can tell you how to live it, so I suppose its a bit irrelevant what we think. 2
BlackFox Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 (edited) Maybe Rodgers trying to do what he did with Mendy. Let him run out his contract and then re-sign and maybe just maybe it might work... I've a soft spot for the lad, so I'm a little biased and at 24 yo it's not too late for him to fulfill his potential. Edited 15 December 2020 by BlackFox 1 1
UniFox21 Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 Hopefully he gets a chance to rebuild his career at a lower Prem team, as he clearly has the talent. We've given him ample chances under some of the best managers at developing talent, and seen no drastic change, sadly. Flashes of brilliance few and far between.
The People's Hero Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 7 minutes ago, BlackFox said: Maybe Rodgers trying to do what he did with Mendy. Let him run out his contract and then re-sign and maybe just maybe it might work... I've a soft spot for the lad, so I'm a little biased and at 24 yo it's not too late for him to fulfill his potential. Probably got his agent calling round some of the biggest clubs you can think of to find out what signing on fee can be secured, as we speculate on it. ps 'probably' (!!!!)
HighPeakFox Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 (edited) There's an awful lot of conjecture going on here. I think it's probably safer to go with what Geoff said. After all, who amongst us can be confident we really know what's going on? Edited 15 December 2020 by HighPeakFox
WigstonWanderer Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 I wish the lad well for the future but it’s clear he’s stalled here and needs to move on to carve out the rest of his career. Still relatively young so time to do so. He probably needs to swallow a bit of pride and accept that he’s not on the same level as his pals Chilwell, Maddison, etc, drop back to a Championship club, and work his way back up again. That way he can get playing some competitive football, find his level and reach whatever potential he has.
coolhandfox Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 I'd imagine we have made him an offer, he's decide he future maybe better elsewhere. He has the ability to play for a PL club on a regular basis, I still think over a course of a season given a run of 20 odd games he would do ok. 1
Rusko187 Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 11 hours ago, baldeagle said: Not particularly just had a few first hand experiences, , one being held hostage in my car by a bloke with a shotgun when I was 17 and being sat next to him whilst he went on to eat s bullet . Bloody nora, that must have been awful to go through.
baldeagle Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 8 minutes ago, Rusko187 said: Bloody nora, that must have been awful to go through. I’ve had better evenings out that’s for sure
Nicolo Barella Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 Just want him gone at this point. Don't care about how his career goes either, he's a wealthy man by now. What a waste of time. 1
Blue ROI Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 2017 + 18 was make or break time for him but he never came close to fulfilling his potential. Having 3 wingers brought in since Mahrez left speaks volumes. A disappointment overall but didn't spend a fortune on him. Hopefully it goes well for him in his next club.
Ecdysiast Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 He'll end up at Palace as a duff replacement for Zaha ! Same ego, same inconsistency, less product. 1
car1os Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 (edited) I think back to this goal and, when I heard we were signing him, I was excited about his potential: It’s a shame he hasn’t made it here for one reason or another. Young, British, and with potential when he arrived. Also low risk for us at the time with a modest fee. He still has talent but it’s clear his future lies elsewhere. I wish him all the best Edited 15 December 2020 by car1os 1
Nalis Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 We got decent value out of him. He's probably better off going somewhere like Norwich to get some confidence as a big fish in a small pond before hitting the premier league again next season as a starter.
Gordon the Great Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 18 hours ago, baldeagle said: Why does everyone have to be struggling with mental health these days . Don’t get me wrong mental health is a serious serious issue but people throw it around or even expect everyone to be struggling with it . Sadly it`s flavour of the month, that`s not to knock anyone who is having problems, I have dealt with some myself but some people need to get things in prospective, somehow, somewhere we have lost the art of "Grit your teeth and get on with it"..........and before I receive spade loads of abuse about stiff upper lips etc, I reiterate I really do Know to what I am referring. Sometimes you have to look the world in the face and say............No, I`m not having that, ...... and deal with it. 2 1
baldeagle Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 34 minutes ago, Gordon the Great said: Sadly it`s flavour of the month, that`s not to knock anyone who is having problems, I have dealt with some myself but some people need to get things in prospective, somehow, somewhere we have lost the art of "Grit your teeth and get on with it"..........and before I receive spade loads of abuse about stiff upper lips etc, I reiterate I really do Know to what I am referring. Sometimes you have to look the world in the face and say............No, I`m not having that, ...... and deal with it. My point exactly used to easily as a cop out when things get a little tough or expected everyone has issues .
sacreblueits442 Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 58 minutes ago, baldeagle said: My point exactly used to easily as a cop out when things get a little tough or expected everyone has issues . ...there are a lot of people out there, who take the same view as you are alluding to and continue to try and make sense of their life unable to admit. That there is an underlying problem, that requires trained help, is a stigma, they are not ready to carry!!! People go through life with various problems and difficulties and some problems are too deep seated for the individual to overcome on their own or with the help of family. ADHD is a general mental behavioural problem which affects the young as well as adults. You could have the condition from childhood and learn coping mechanism to disguise the severity of the disconnect you feel around you. It may never be picked up, unless you are tested for the condition. Bi-polar is somewhat a bi-product of ADHD and as we all know this is quite prevalent within society and controlled by medication as mental health issues usually are. To a large degree society has changed and we over indulge our children and ourselves, feeding the need to have the things that we could not afford in our childhood and as such makes us selfish and entitled. It is hard to achieve that balance of a societies accepted work ethic, alongside a growing covert debilitating illness. 2 1
fuchsntf Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 10 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said: I wish the lad well for the future but it’s clear he’s stalled here and needs to move on to carve out the rest of his career. Still relatively young so time to do so. He probably needs to swallow a bit of pride and accept that he’s not on the same level as his pals Chilwell, Maddison, etc, drop back to a Championship club, and work his way back up again. That way he can get playing some competitive football, find his level and reach whatever potential he has. Schlupp didnt have to,and is carving out a decent career...
Popular Post HighPeakFox Posted 15 December 2020 Popular Post Posted 15 December 2020 The problem is, this is where stigma and neglect are born. Too easy to dismiss stuff until it's too late, all in the name of 'man up' and all that outdated crap. I think this stuff belongs in a different part of the forum really. I don't want to reply to any one individual, as I know it will look like an attack, and you will all be posting with best intentions. Please think on, so many of us really suffer badly at times. Nobody knows what everyone else is quietly dealing with. 6
WigstonWanderer Posted 15 December 2020 Posted 15 December 2020 1 hour ago, fuchsntf said: Schlupp didnt have to,and is carving out a decent career... Schlupp was a more effective player in my opinion. I was actually quite disappointed when he left.
HighPeakFox Posted 16 December 2020 Posted 16 December 2020 4 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...there are a lot of people out there, who take the same view as you are alluding to and continue to try and make sense of their life unable to admit. That there is an underlying problem, that requires trained help, is a stigma, they are not ready to carry!!! People go through life with various problems and difficulties and some problems are too deep seated for the individual to overcome on their own or with the help of family. ADHD is a general mental behavioural problem which affects the young as well as adults. You could have the condition from childhood and learn coping mechanism to disguise the severity of the disconnect you feel around you. It may never be picked up, unless you are tested for the condition. Bi-polar is somewhat a bi-product of ADHD and as we all know this is quite prevalent within society and controlled by medication as mental health issues usually are. To a large degree society has changed and we over indulge our children and ourselves, feeding the need to have the things that we could not afford in our childhood and as such makes us selfish and entitled. It is hard to achieve that balance of a societies accepted work ethic, alongside a growing covert debilitating illness. Very well said.
AyewJoking Posted 16 December 2020 Posted 16 December 2020 17 hours ago, BlackFox said: Maybe Rodgers trying to do what he did with Mendy. Let him run out his contract and then re-sign and maybe just maybe it might work... I've a soft spot for the lad, so I'm a little biased and at 24 yo it's not too late for him to fulfill his potential. Maybe just maybe gray is one of those inconsistant types.
gurru991 Posted 16 December 2020 Posted 16 December 2020 Gray just hasn't done it & I suspect is never going to. Its obvious that he plans to leave & I don't see a Mendy turn around happening. I had high expectations when he arrived but his decision making process is not likely to improve.
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