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5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

 

Are all these other live events going to be moved to other venues? Just go back to normal stadiums problem solved if people turn up fine them a £1000 each.

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If I was on Twitter I’d ask him when he would feel safe to return. I’d like to add that I am genuinely interested, it isn’t meant as a barbed question but if he responded with ‘when there was no longer the threat of covid-19’ then it might be worth pointing out that, that date is a hell of a long way off (not September as some people strangely seem to think). By which point his whole profession might well be in jeopardy. Also as a guy who’s come from the lower leagues he might be sympathetic to the plight those clubs are in if we have to wait for a vaccine.
Then they might think twice about taking the 0.0008% chance* of Coronavirus being fatal to an under 40.
 

*that is the current fatality rate of under 40’s in the UK based on the 2019 Population

 

Maybe it’s controversial but the damage this lockdown is doing to the economy is going to have a far wider reach and a longer impact than the virus. We’ve done the right thing so far with the lockdown to steady the ship but we can’t live in complete fear until the vaccine is ready otherwise there won’t be anything to come back to

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15 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

 

No this isn't whats happening; when the bottom 8 clubs all want relegation off the table before agreeing to return then that's exactly the case, they don't want to be relegated and are fighting it to stop that happening.

 

Every player has a right to be concerned for their health, but when their clubs have literally said they're fighting against returning to prevent relegation he has no legs to stand on

Player who doesnt stamp on opponents' heads raises concerns about playing again:

Yeah he’s probably right, that’s sensible.

Player who stamps on more than one opponents' head raises concerns about playing again:

Yeah well you just don’t want to be relegated lol:dunno:

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Just fed up of hearing about it all now. I only go games for the day out and to see my mates, if I can't do that then I'm not really that interested. All these teams trying to get out of playing, while UEFA/FA is trying to force them to play, it's just a shit situation. I wouldn't be arsed if they just cancelled the season now, but I still think the best option is to restart when possible later on in the year, even if it means no football next season only cups.

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21 minutes ago, Staffs Fox said:

Maybe it’s controversial but the damage this lockdown is doing to the economy is going to have a far wider reach and a longer impact than the virus. We’ve done the right thing so far with the lockdown to steady the ship but we can’t live in complete fear until the vaccine is ready otherwise there won’t be anything to come back to

I dont think that's controversial at all tbf, the longer the lockdown goes on the more lives that are put at risk 

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1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Just fed up of hearing about it all now. I only go games for the day out and to see my mates, if I can't do that then I'm not really that interested. All these teams trying to get out of playing, while UEFA/FA is trying to force them to play, it's just a shit situation. I wouldn't be arsed if they just cancelled the season now, but I still think the best option is to restart when possible later on in the year, even if it means no football next season only cups.

It's all being rushed through because UEFA want nations to decide what they are going to do by May 25th so they can sort out their own European competitions.

 

Again a bit of self interest there ..

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No relegation would set a precedent that wouldn't be good. Who is to say it wouldn't be argued for next season, or the year after?

 

As for Mings' tweet, the most vocal clubs so far have been those in the bottom six. None of the top clubs (I believe) have said anything publicly. I can't imagine why some are cynical.

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I cant see Premiership featuring before end of June at the earliest...

IMO,they should Finish the season ,no matter when they can begin..

Individual European countries FAs, should warn EUEFA off. Only the individual countries clubs should decide,on any future descisions..

.Ditto for FIFA  and International rulings.

 

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6 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

I thought some grounds had been ruled out because they would not be practical even for behind closed doors matches - that means home and away matches are not possible.

I think the argument surrounded fans turning up at stadiums. They should just impose high fines on anyone that does.

 

I mean technically under the new rules I could drive to wherever the game is and do my daily exercise outside the stadium if I was stupid enough, really it now prevents very little.

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2 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think the argument surrounded fans turning up at stadiums. They should just impose high fines on anyone that does.

 

I mean technically under the new rules I could drive to wherever the game is and do my daily exercise outside the stadium if I was stupid enough, really it now prevents very little.

There was definitely a list of about 10 stadiums - they didn't want to use stadiums in built up areas or those with a shortage of space behind the scenes.

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14 hours ago, Gazza M said:

I am a big believer now in just declaring the season finished with Liverpool champs and no relegation with the top 2 in the Championship promoted to make a 22 team comp starting in August/September this year. The Championship should stay as 22 teams for 1 season and Leagues 1 and 2 the same for those that survive this. 

If we cant make it work now, we wont be playing games in September.

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11 hours ago, filbertway said:

I'm looking forward to the national feeling towards this virus shifting to "it's something that's there that we live with" 

 

At the minute too many people are so scared and incapable of long term thought that there'll be too much outrage at people trying to get on with life. Once parts of our society and culture start to collapse and disappear, surely it'll just be a matter of time before other stuff follows.

 

A lot of people can only think in binary.

 

There is people who think we need to push on with the economy and whoever dies is collateral damage.

There is people who are think anything like football which is for entertainment will say things like "there is more important things to worry about" which is very vague.

 

Are the latter suggesting that every moment whilst awake we all should be thinking about the corona virus and nothing else, because that is a very negative mindset.

 

I have all sorts of theories as to why people are thinking what they are, some of them will probably offend people.

 

One is that people are not happy with how things are, and they have certain priorities which they feel should be addressed before football is resumed, e.g. there is people who say if football resumes then we should be opening pubs and gyms, they not thinking rationally as those are much higher risk, but the reasoning behind what they saying is essentially that socialising with people comes before football, typically these people may also think that football is not worth resuming for as long as they cannot attend games as for them football is about mixing with people in the stadium and/or pub, if they cant do that then no one else should be able to enjoy the sport, one person told me in a manner as if he was really angry at the thought that football shouldnt resume for armchair fans.  So he clearly has the opinion it either resumes with fans in attendance or it doesnt at all, he is a Leicester fan so may be a member of foxestalk, so might respond to this post.

 

But here is the thing I have taken the virus seriously from the start, people will know that who read my earlier posts on the subject, I think its stupid its taken us 3 months to quarantine people at airports, there is no government advice for people to wear masks, we dont have strict work place guidance, the rules have just been loosened for outside activity (when our cases are not dropping), the fines are way too low, not mandating office workers to work from home, not closing non essential shops, and now also allowing beer gardens.  Our public transport is still running, and today back to really crowded trains.  No staggered start times for those who have to work on site. No lifestyle tracing, no widespread testing.  I take it serious.

 

However there is some common sense to be applied here, different activities have different levels of risk, some people I kid you not think opening gym's has the same level of risk as resuming behind closed door football games.  Or they pretending they think its the same level of risk, I think as I said earlier people are wanting restrictions removed for their preferred activities first, regardless of risk.  If those arent lifted, then they will viciously oppose other things resuming.

 

Anyone who things EPL can resume or wants it to resume is perhaps been labelled as careless, or ignorant of whats going on, no that's not the case, but people need things to keep them distracted, morale is important.  All these people delivering food parcels all day, packing the food the health workers, the workers in food industry, etc. they would all likely appreciate things like football resuming so they have a bit of bliss in their lives.

 

Then there is the people who have misery regardless, the disabled, those bed bound waiting to die, terminal cancer etc.  These people never expected the world to stop for them, and I think part of this is as well is those who have up until now had good fortune in their lives havent had crippling disease before, are suddenly faced with something they havent had to deal with and now expect everything to stop until its eradicated..

 

Given we in the process now of loosening the restrictions (which already were light), and we are barely moving downwards on deaths, and steady on new cases, we not resuming a normal life any time soon, so its either trying to adapt (in a safe way), or waiting circa 2 years.

 

For what its worth I think we are trying to reopen the EPL a bit too early, but I think because the footballers refused the pay cut, its led to clubs treating it as urgent, as they are faced with paying out wages they cant afford.

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7 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Just fed up of hearing about it all now. I only go games for the day out and to see my mates, if I can't do that then I'm not really that interested. All these teams trying to get out of playing, while UEFA/FA is trying to force them to play, it's just a shit situation. I wouldn't be arsed if they just cancelled the season now, but I still think the best option is to restart when possible later on in the year, even if it means no football next season only cups.

I think a lot of people agree with you hence my post, at least you been honest in admitting you only really like football for the socialising aspect.

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I think leagues should continue, whether the games are to be played at the original or at new, neutral venues isn't really the point.

Ideally, regular home and away games should carry on, traveling will be involved for at least one team, anyway.

 

Not overly happy that different leagues have called it quits already. The whole "no relegation" scenario leaves a bitter taste. I feel for the teams in the divisions below that cannot get promotion now. And in the other cases where relegation has been forced, I feel for the clubs that have now been kicked down the latter, even though they would've stood a chance if the remaining games had been played.

 

The game must go on. If teams are forced to field weaker squads due to still ongoing infection cases, so be it. Gives more youth players the chance to shine.

 

In a life without any proper football on you realize what you're missing.

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6 hours ago, fox in the sox said:

I thought some grounds had been ruled out because they would not be practical even for behind closed doors matches - that means home and away matches are not possible.

The Safety Advisory Panel wanted games at neutral locations to avoid fans turning up, stadiums which are out of residential areas and in regions where the cases were lower. They also said that by having fewer stadiums used it would need less resources from the emergency services. 

 

Apparently at today's PL meeting all clubs were against neutral stadium and no relegation. It was also agreed null and void Is not an option. 

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4 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

 

A lot of people can only think in binary.

 

There is people who think we need to push on with the economy and whoever dies is collateral damage.

There is people who are think anything like football which is for entertainment will say things like "there is more important things to worry about" which is very vague.

 

Are the latter suggesting that every moment whilst awake we all should be thinking about the corona virus and nothing else, because that is a very negative mindset.

 

I have all sorts of theories as to why people are thinking what they are, some of them will probably offend people.

 

One is that people are not happy with how things are, and they have certain priorities which they feel should be addressed before football is resumed, e.g. there is people who say if football resumes then we should be opening pubs and gyms, they not thinking rationally as those are much higher risk, but the reasoning behind what they saying is essentially that socialising with people comes before football, typically these people may also think that football is not worth resuming for as long as they cannot attend games as for them football is about mixing with people in the stadium and/or pub, if they cant do that then no one else should be able to enjoy the sport, one person told me in a manner as if he was really angry at the thought that football shouldnt resume for armchair fans.  So he clearly has the opinion it either resumes with fans in attendance or it doesnt at all, he is a Leicester fan so may be a member of foxestalk, so might respond to this post.

 

But here is the thing I have taken the virus seriously from the start, people will know that who read my earlier posts on the subject, I think its stupid its taken us 3 months to quarantine people at airports, there is no government advice for people to wear masks, we dont have strict work place guidance, the rules have just been loosened for outside activity (when our cases are not dropping), the fines are way too low, not mandating office workers to work from home, not closing non essential shops, and now also allowing beer gardens.  Our public transport is still running, and today back to really crowded trains.  No staggered start times for those who have to work on site. No lifestyle tracing, no widespread testing.  I take it serious.

 

However there is some common sense to be applied here, different activities have different levels of risk, some people I kid you not think opening gym's has the same level of risk as resuming behind closed door football games.  Or they pretending they think its the same level of risk, I think as I said earlier people are wanting restrictions removed for their preferred activities first, regardless of risk.  If those arent lifted, then they will viciously oppose other things resuming.

 

Anyone who things EPL can resume or wants it to resume is perhaps been labelled as careless, or ignorant of whats going on, no that's not the case, but people need things to keep them distracted, morale is important.  All these people delivering food parcels all day, packing the food the health workers, the workers in food industry, etc. they would all likely appreciate things like football resuming so they have a bit of bliss in their lives.

 

Then there is the people who have misery regardless, the disabled, those bed bound waiting to die, terminal cancer etc.  These people never expected the world to stop for them, and I think part of this is as well is those who have up until now had good fortune in their lives havent had crippling disease before, are suddenly faced with something they havent had to deal with and now expect everything to stop until its eradicated..

 

Given we in the process now of loosening the restrictions (which already were light), and we are barely moving downwards on deaths, and steady on new cases, we not resuming a normal life any time soon, so its either trying to adapt (in a safe way), or waiting circa 2 years.

 

For what its worth I think we are trying to reopen the EPL a bit too early, but I think because the footballers refused the pay cut, its led to clubs treating it as urgent, as they are faced with paying out wages they cant afford.

Dude, I have personally faced a crippling disease (even potentially terminal), but as much as I love football I do not want to watch it over the graves of avoidable deaths. Perhaps those of us who have been close to losing our lives realize its value more than most. Our collective entertainment is not worth a life (or lives). Find something else to do or read a good book.

 

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12 hours ago, Staffs Fox said:

If I was on Twitter I’d ask him when he would feel safe to return. I’d like to add that I am genuinely interested, it isn’t meant as a barbed question but if he responded with ‘when there was no longer the threat of covid-19’ then it might be worth pointing out that, that date is a hell of a long way off (not September as some people strangely seem to think). By which point his whole profession might well be in jeopardy. Also as a guy who’s come from the lower leagues he might be sympathetic to the plight those clubs are in if we have to wait for a vaccine.
Then they might think twice about taking the 0.0008% chance* of Coronavirus being fatal to an under 40.
 

*that is the current fatality rate of under 40’s in the UK based on the 2019 Population

 

Maybe it’s controversial but the damage this lockdown is doing to the economy is going to have a far wider reach and a longer impact than the virus. We’ve done the right thing so far with the lockdown to steady the ship but we can’t live in complete fear until the vaccine is ready otherwise there won’t be anything to come back to

 

16 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

The figures don't suggest that 1% die, or anything like that.  Especially for footballers.

 

So far in this country, up to 24th April which is the last full week that was available a few days ago when I last looked, the number of dead under 35 years old was 109.  That's a bit less than 3 per million.  The vast majority of those were already seriously ill.  Yes, it may be that for every person in a million who dies, two or three more may have permanent side effects; but it's still not a big risk. 

Many young, apparently otherwise healthy, adults have died in the US. Not sure the virus respects national borders.

 

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/13/covid-young-people

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200319/20-percent-of-us-covid-19-deaths-were-young-adults#1

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Where have I said they haven’t? They’re certainly not immune. However what I’ve posted is a fact. 161 people aged between 20 and 40 have lost their life to this virus out of the nearly 18m population of that group. That equates to 0.00078%.

 

It is tragic that it is anything at all but unfortunately it is. However my point is if we think we can ride this out in lockdown until a vaccine is found then I’m afraid the number effected by the collapse in our economy is going to effect younger people more than the figures posted above, a lot more.

 

I’m also not saying open everything up as if nothing’s going on but we need to find a new normal until a vaccine is found. These dewy eyed people who think that football will be able to resume properly in the autumn and we can just live on furlough and zoom calls until everything gets 100% better are wrong. Everyone of all age groups will have to take risks (albeit some more than others) soon to try and get the world back to some resemblance of normality. Footballers are included in this. They either accept there’s a chance of infection (like we all do every day) or they wait until a vaccine is found by which case football will have a very different landscape 

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I bet the Tottenham
Hotspurs documentary will be interesting. 
 

Daniel Levy, lobbying to have them

in the Champions League next season, based on past historical performances. 

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20 minutes ago, Sly said:

I bet the Tottenham
Hotspurs documentary will be interesting. 
 

Daniel Levy, lobbying to have them

in the Champions League next season, based on past historical performances. 

Not forgetting they were top of the PL in 2016 for quite awhile!

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at a point of acceptance now that there isn’t going to be a champions league next season so we aren’t going to be going to europe regardless of if the league finishes or not so couldn’t care less if it was just binned. 
 

think the right thing to do would be to give the scousers the title as let’s be honest it’s the only cut and dry bit of the whole league

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6 minutes ago, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said:

at a point of acceptance now that there isn’t going to be a champions league next season so we aren’t going to be going to europe regardless of if the league finishes or not so couldn’t care less if it was just binned. 
 

think the right thing to do would be to give the scousers the title as let’s be honest it’s the only cut and dry bit of the whole league

There will be a champions league next season. 

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9 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

Dude, I have personally faced a crippling disease (even potentially terminal), but as much as I love football I do not want to watch it over the graves of avoidable deaths. Perhaps those of us who have been close to losing our lives realize its value more than most. Our collective entertainment is not worth a life (or lives). Find something else to do or read a good book.

 

What about the avoidable deaths of many millions, yes millions due to the poverty, mental health and suicides caused by the lockdown?

 

The destruction of the economy, peoples ways of life, life styles, quality of life will be damaging long beyond this virus.

 

Although any death is bad, I am willing to bet there will be a lot more than 1% of confirmed cases ending in death as a result of lock down policies and the effects will last for decades. We can not underestimate the economic damage this is doing and the long term impact that will have.

 

We need to face reality, this lockdown is more damaging to the young and healthy than the virus in most cases. Absolutely we must protect the vulnerable, but we must get back to some form of normal life for the majority as soon as possible.

 

Bringing back football in a controlled way is part of that.

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