Finnaldo Posted 11 July 2020 Share Posted 11 July 2020 16 hours ago, Strokes said: There are a few parallels. I don’t see it personally mate, I agree too much of the movement got itself into a rut by trying to import wholesale American ideals. Keir Starmer, as an example, backed the initial movement and ‘took the knee’, he’s then criticised off-mark stances like ‘defund the police’ and yet he’s still Labour Party leader with the best public backing in years. I’ve criticised the movement for certain stances with friends and publicly on social media and I’m yet to be cast out or sacked from my job. I suspect the majority of the country either doesn’t back BLM or do so very fleetingly and disagree completely with the radical elements. I think the fact a few TV Execs and Corporate Marketing Teams, wholly of their own volition may I add, decided they’d get a good look removing certain episodes of TV or mascots/advertising characters, which was met by confusion even by the likes of Owen Smith, and the acts of a few bellends on the marches have conflated the influence this group realistically has. Whilst I understand your point Strokes, I would ask you to consider retracting the Nazi Germany comparison. A few radicals being particularly vocal with a few bad takes, with no real societal power outside a couple marketing ploys, isn’t really comparable to State-sponsored persecution and some of the worst atrocities in modern times. That goes for anyone seriously comparing Boris or the Tories in a similar way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 12 July 2020 Share Posted 12 July 2020 (edited) FWIW here are this weeks opinion polls. Not sure what we can read into them aside from the Tory vote being fairly stable. Edited 12 July 2020 by UpTheLeagueFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 July 2020 Share Posted 12 July 2020 Similar polls often seen during summer recess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 12 July 2020 Share Posted 12 July 2020 Doesn't the taking the knee controversy come from a cultural misunderstanding? It started in the US as a way of protesting against the establishment by NFL players kneeling during the US anthem and the kneeling was chosen as the most respectful yet noticeable way of protesting. Since we associate kneeling with "submission" (people kneel before the Queen), people are seeing the taking the knee as an act of submission not a deliberately moderate form of protest or solidarity as it was intended. So if Keir Starmer takes the knee it is meant to be saying "I acknowledge there are still issues with racial equality and as leader of the opposition I'll do my best to address those". Ultimately whatever a politician decides to do they will get criticism for doing it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 13 July 2020 Share Posted 13 July 2020 So I see we've got some new 3-word Brexit slogans to keep us amused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 13 July 2020 Share Posted 13 July 2020 1 hour ago, bovril said: So I see we've got some new 3-word Brexit slogans to keep us amused. Can’t wait for the keep it real from the mp for Staines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 July 2020 Share Posted 14 July 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53397673 I mean, Pompeo is in fact spot on, but there is more than a little of pot calling the kettle black here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Voll Blau Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 Christ Johnson is terrible at PMQs. Genuinely think he believes he shouldn't be subject to any scrutiny whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StanSP Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 1 hour ago, Voll Blau said: Christ Johnson is terrible at PMQs. Genuinely think he believes he shouldn't be subject to any scrutiny whatsoever. It just seems like a regularity now that any question he gets stuck on is just met with questioning Starmer's support for the government. Any respectable leader would answer with some honesty and facts and passion. Johnson has little or none of that when he's faced by Starmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The whole world smiles Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 1 hour ago, StanSP said: That is horrifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 7 hours ago, Voll Blau said: Christ Johnson is terrible at PMQs. Genuinely think he believes he shouldn't be subject to any scrutiny whatsoever. 6 hours ago, StanSP said: It just seems like a regularity now that any question he gets stuck on is just met with questioning Starmer's support for the government. Any respectable leader would answer with some honesty and facts and passion. Johnson has little or none of that when he's faced by Starmer. I listened to it purely by chance and heard the admission that he hadn't read the report about the second wave and the Calvin Klein "joke". He's only as crap as a lot of commentators said he would be. He had this reputation for not bothering with detail and never properly preparing anything but I'm still surprised how half arsed he comes across 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictv Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 Hilarious - and makes a mockery of the bullshit story about govt not seeking to control the release/content of the Russia report https://news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lionator Posted 15 July 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 15 July 2020 2 minutes ago, Magictv said: Hilarious - and makes a mockery of the bullshit story about govt not seeking to control the release/content of the Russia report https://news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301 I don't really know much about Dr Lewis but running against and beating Grayling to this position is certainly in the national interest. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 (edited) If you didn’t have any inkling of this bunch in cabinet to rule how it sees fits, it’s captured in that story. Edited 16 July 2020 by Cardiff_Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 Bit embarrassing for Grayling as well to have the majority swept away from him at the last moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 It’s ****ing hilarious. I live in hope that the backbenchers will start to excerpt some power over number 10; this is getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 15 July 2020 Share Posted 15 July 2020 12 hours ago, Voll Blau said: Christ Johnson is terrible at PMQs. Genuinely think he believes he shouldn't be subject to any scrutiny whatsoever. It depends how you view terrible really. He's very bad at it if you pay attention to it all, are sufficiently interested in substance and get excited by people citing written reports. But for the majority that only have a fleeting interest, he gets through most weeks without a hitch and is better at the punch-and-judy but. The scripted lines are a hallmark of government by focus group, it couldn't be anymore blatant that the weekly dig at Starmer for being a lawyer will be because that's what focus groups pick up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 16 July 2020 Share Posted 16 July 2020 8 hours ago, Kopfkino said: It depends how you view terrible really. He's very bad at it if you pay attention to it all, are sufficiently interested in substance and get excited by people citing written reports. But for the majority that only have a fleeting interest, he gets through most weeks without a hitch and is better at the punch-and-judy but. The scripted lines are a hallmark of government by focus group, it couldn't be anymore blatant that the weekly dig at Starmer for being a lawyer will be because that's what focus groups pick up on. I accept your point but I do get the feeling that, at the moment with things the way they are, that style just doesn't wash with most people. Partisan rhetoric and dubious one-liners are always going to play a part at PMQs (sadly in my view), but when it comes to the former his attack lines have been stale for weeks and on the latter he doesn't know when the appropriate time is to use them. Starmer quizzed him on families bereaved due to Covid and he makes a joke about pants for fvck's sake. I get that many don't look beyond whichever soundbite confirms their bias every week, but in a time of fear and anxiety like this anyone who does look beyond that is going to be mightily unimpressed - and I get the sense that group of people is getting larger as the pandemic continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 16 July 2020 Share Posted 16 July 2020 8 hours ago, Kopfkino said: It depends how you view terrible really. He's very bad at it if you pay attention to it all, are sufficiently interested in substance and get excited by people citing written reports. But for the majority that only have a fleeting interest, he gets through most weeks without a hitch and is better at the punch-and-judy but. The scripted lines are a hallmark of government by focus group, it couldn't be anymore blatant that the weekly dig at Starmer for being a lawyer will be because that's what focus groups pick up on. You're right most people don't look at the detail, but they do see the tweets the memes and read the headlines and listen to Piers Morgan, all of that builds. BJ is losing credibility and the Sun for one don't like to back a loser. We've already seen a few signs of dissent in the Mail and Telegraph. Starmer is not going to deliver a knock out blow, but the constant exposing and highlighting of BJ and his cabinet's incompetence will just erode support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 16 July 2020 Share Posted 16 July 2020 The overall standard of politicians seems to have never been lower but then you'd have to be a bit of a masochist or have a massive ego or consider yourself incompetent at any other high paid job to be one. The continuing rabid like vilification of them on Social and printed media, the never ending intrusion into every tiny inconsequential aspect of their private lives and lifestyles, none of which is illegal is not something that would attract the most competent of people. History will show that many past politicians had skeletons in their cupboards even the most successful, celebrated and respected ones but managed to do their jobs well in spite of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 16 July 2020 Share Posted 16 July 2020 34 minutes ago, davieG said: The overall standard of politicians seems to have never been lower but then you'd have to be a bit of a masochist or have a massive ego or consider yourself incompetent at any other high paid job to be one. The continuing rabid like vilification of them on Social and printed media, the never ending intrusion into every tiny inconsequential aspect of their private lives and lifestyles, none of which is illegal is not something that would attract the most competent of people. History will show that many past politicians had skeletons in their cupboards even the most successful, celebrated and respected ones but managed to do their jobs well in spite of this. Including Alan B'stard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 16 July 2020 Share Posted 16 July 2020 Thought I should post in here after SL prodded we with a raging tory jibe! I discard labels and embrace commerance with far too much gusto and fervour. I'm a zealot. Literally full of zeal for commerance. Join me brothers and sisters and lets start an anti-movement movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 16 July 2020 Share Posted 16 July 2020 5 minutes ago, The People's Hero said: Thought I should post in here after SL prodded we with a raging tory jibe! I discard labels and embrace commerance with far too much gusto and fervour. I'm a zealot. Literally full of zeal for commerance. Join me brothers and sisters and lets start an anti-movement movement. Ignore him old son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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