Coronavirus Thread

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

You must be able to see an epidemiological difference between sitting maskless in a closed environment and walking around an airy shopping centre with your mask on?

 

1 minute ago, Captain... said:

Because that is how it spreads small enclosed spaces. High cross is big and airy an asymptomatic covid spreader in High cross will be walking around with a mask and the amount of covid coming out their mouth will dilute to miniscule amounts in the atmosphere and everyone else wandering around with a mask will maybe get a tiny bit of it as they cross paths but not enough to catch covid. Of course nothing is guaranteed, you could be stuck in a queue at Boots with coughy Joe who doesn't like to wear a mask because it makes his face itch and you get covid, but it is all about minimising risk to a safe level.

 

Whereas if you are sitting downwind of a covid in a small or even large restaurant without a mask on you will constantly get small hits of covid that will build up over time until you have a substantial viral payload to take hold.

 

There is science behind this, it is not hard to find if you Google it. 

I do agree with what you're both saying and yes you are right regarding how it spreads, but the numbers somebody posted earlier in the thread showed that supermarkets were the biggest spreader of COVID, followed by both primary and secondary schools. They are all essential though, whereas meeting friends isn't, I suppose that's the difference.

 

The shops will be absolute chaos too, imagine how many thousands of people are going to descend upon them. Get your shopping done online if possible, much easier.

[theessexfox]

I’m moving to London in January which has the potential to move to Tier 3 - is there anything that will affect my life due to Tier 3 other than not being able to go to a restaurant? Otherwise it doesn’t seem hugely different. 

[VLC86]

I dread to think what happens to bars and restaurants in Leicester after this. Owners won’t be able to get mortgages, no income and no clear way out after 9 months of restrictions.

 

Our city centre is going to be decimated. So sad.

[RowlattsFox]

Difficult to see a way out for pubs who don't operate as restaurants, Tier 1 at best for them (even then its table service only) which is unlikely to come before Easter. 

 

 

 

 

[dsr-burnley]

10 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

I do agree with what you're both saying and yes you are right regarding how it spreads, but the numbers somebody posted earlier in the thread showed that supermarkets were the biggest spreader of COVID, followed by both primary and secondary schools. They are all essential though, whereas meeting friends isn't, I suppose that's the difference.

Of course not.  Nothing is essential to life except eating and sleeping.  If all you do is sit in a darkened room concentrating on breathing, you should live longer.  And if you don't, it will seem longer.

 

Life was made to be lived, not to be survived.  God help us all if these vaccines don't work or if the government somehow realises they haven't abolished death after all.

[Dan]

It's impossible to take it seriously.

[Finnaldo]

You’d hope, given how the rates seem to be dropping rather quickly across the county, that come the review we might be able to drop to Tier 2.

[Dan]

8 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Of course not.  Nothing is essential to life except eating and sleeping.  If all you do is sit in a darkened room concentrating on breathing, you should live longer.  And if you don't, it will seem longer.

 

Life was made to be lived, not to be survived.  God help us all if these vaccines don't work or if the government somehow realises they haven't abolished death after all.

Correct. Astounding how many people accept this. Feel so sorry for small business owners and whatnot. Their lives being decimated by insanity.

[Guest Harrydc]

Yet again, more restrictions in place for the majority of the country. We're 9 months in to a 3 week 'flatten the curve'. I'll ask again, will you still be accepting of these restrictions in 5 years time? Because I'm even starting to doubt that a vaccine will get us back to normality. 

 

In what is usually the busiest time of the year for the hospitality industry, it will be impossible for some to survive now - and I feel for those who were hoping and praying they would be in (at the very least) tier 1 restrictions simply so they can run their business. Sad, sad times.  

[Livid]

"The Isle of Wight, Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly - where there have been no recorded cases in the past week - will be the only areas of England in the lowest level of curbs - tier one."

 

The above is from the BBC, looking at that and what they are have stated as allowing over the Christmas period, it's absolutely mental!

 

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Yet again, more restrictions in place for the majority of the country. We're 9 months in to a 3 week 'flatten the curve'. I'll ask again, will you still be accepting of these restrictions in 5 years time? Because I'm even starting to doubt that a vaccine will get us back to normality. 

 

In what is usually the busiest time of the year for the hospitality industry, it will be impossible for some to survive now - and I feel for those who were hoping and praying they would be in (at the very least) tier 1 restrictions simply so they can run their business. Sad, sad times.  

why ?  so you can make a nonsense comment about five years time …. unless we're onto covid-22 by then ,...…..

 

anyone who thought they would be in tier 1 today has been living in cloud cuckoo land for the past fortnight (or an island/cornwall)

[bmt]

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

It's not stupid to have doubts - and you're right that they can't be sure of the long-term effects of a Covid vaccine.

 

But scientific knowledge and testing will greatly reduce the risk of unexpected long-term effects.

And that small element of risk applies to any new vaccine or medication. The flu jab is changed each year. Who's to say that or some other new med might not have unexpected long-term effects?

 

It's a case of risk assessment. There is a tiny risk that this vaccine (or any other medication) might have disastrous effects. The same applies, for example, to a new car engine or new food product. Life ain't risk free.

But we do know that there is a major risk from Covid.....

 

It's  not stupid to have doubts, to look into the matter via informed sources - and even to have the vaccination with a few doubts remaining.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to assume there's a major risk - especially relying on uninformed sources (and I'm not suggesting you support this!) - and to reject vaccination due to that slight risk, while accepting the known massive risks of Covid.

I agree with all of this. There are some nuanced positions someone could take though which would still be logical.

 

If someone didn't get a vaccine which was mandated to everyone else (for example), they would effectively free-ride on the herd vaccination whilst harbouring none of the risk (albeit low) of having a vaccine. If that person wasn't particularly at risk from COVID, they may assess the risk and decide that they shouldn't get the vaccine. From an individualist perspective there are certainly some interesting hypothetical choices which could be made.

 

Again, I'm pro vaccine and don't think there's much risk from vaccines whatsoever, I just understand why some people may decide they don't want it without necessarily thinking they are daft.

[leicsmac]

30 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Of course not.  Nothing is essential to life except eating and sleeping.  If all you do is sit in a darkened room concentrating on breathing, you should live longer.  And if you don't, it will seem longer.

 

Life was made to be lived, not to be survived.  God help us all if these vaccines don't work or if the government somehow realises they haven't abolished death after all.

 

20 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Correct. Astounding how many people accept this. Feel so sorry for small business owners and whatnot. Their lives being decimated by insanity.

With respect, this is often said by folks who actually haven't come close to death and therefore have never experienced one of the most unifying human emotions of all - right at the end, when it looks like it is all over, the want not to die.

Accounts from suicide attempters who survived bear this out.

[CosbehFox]

Does seem off that the politicians use R rate has a justification that the overall restrictions be lifted yet then choose to impose the most harsh restrictions in areas of the country where the r rate has come down whilst Tier 2 contains three areas where the r rate is increasing.
 

The first lockdown was a disaster because they used cases and deaths as the determining factor yet that information to 2 to 4 weeks old. 
 

The R rate is a more important indicator of what’s happening today (or near as possibly reportable) 

[Pliskin]

Get this lot on it. They successfully dragged Leicester out of tier three once before. 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

London being placed into Tier 2 because their economy needs a boost, yet the rest of the country won't be afforded that generosity.

I really question the idiots at times. London is dead in midst of December. Everyone fcuks off home (can see Cornwall with its T1 going through the roof at Xmas). If the r rate is increasing there, get it locked down before those people return home for Christmas 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

Liverpool is in Tier 2?

Probavly resulting from the mass testing programme 

[Carl the Llama]

52 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

I do agree with what you're both saying and yes you are right regarding how it spreads, but the numbers somebody posted earlier in the thread showed that supermarkets were the biggest spreader of COVID, followed by both primary and secondary schools. They are all essential though, whereas meeting friends isn't, I suppose that's the difference.

 

The shops will be absolute chaos too, imagine how many thousands of people are going to descend upon them. Get your shopping done online if possible, much easier.

Isn't that to be expected though? Schools are self explanatory I hope, whereas supermarkets are the one place everyone physically has to go to keep their kitchen stocked up, so it gets visited by more people than anywhere else, so of course we get more cases from them, but I'm not sure we can conclude that supermarkets are inherently more dangerous than other place where you can't help being fairly close to people...  But yes, if something's essential then the risk is less of a factor in the decision making for restrictions on it than for non-essential practices.

[FLAN]

No hope for this city when so many of its population are point blank refusing to do their bit and wear a mask in public. They’ll probably be the same people cursing pubs staying closed 

[String fellow]

Even the guy delivering our groceries yesterday from Tesco hadn't got a mask and made no attempt to keep 2m away from me when I opened the front door. Compare that with the guys delivering from Amazon. They all seem to be masked up and keep as far away from their customers as possible.

[CosbehFox]

On a lighter note can the tier announcement be done in a World Cup/FA Cup draw style? 
 

Clearly London were seeded 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Why were we in Leicester not given the opportunity Liverpool had? Those brave people of Liverpool, what about us? 
We should of been first for mass testing.

Its no wonder we are all so tired of it.

London in tier 2 as well, how convenient.

[Guest Kopfkino]

14 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Isn't that to be expected though? Schools are self explanatory I hope, whereas supermarkets are the one place everyone physically has to go to keep their kitchen stocked up, so it gets visited by more people than anywhere else, so of course we get more cases from them, but I'm not sure we can conclude that supermarkets are inherently more dangerous than other place where you can't help being fairly close to people...  But yes, if something's essential then the risk is less of a factor in the decision making for restrictions on it than for non-essential practices.

But it’s not even that. It’s impossible to ascertain where cases are arising at a population level (you could map out for individuals with a lot of time and effort). So all we can do is see where people have been in whatever time period and of course, as you say, because a large number go to a supermarket at least once in that period, that will be recorded. Even if not a single infection occurs in a supermarket, the data would show newly infected people have been to the supermarket in the relevant time period. 

[Fox92]

37 minutes ago, FLAN said:

No hope for this city when so many of its population are point blank refusing to do their bit and wear a mask in public. They’ll probably be the same people cursing pubs staying closed 

Deaths have been increasing despite pubs being closed. Don't think people and pubs were the problem.

[Tuna]

2 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

I live in very rural Lincolnshire with a really low rate and I’m in a higher tier than London. Fecking ridiculous.

Yeah me too, it's an absolute crock of shit.