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1 hour ago, AjcW said:

They might get into the 'Europa Conference League' to be fair. Extra space this year to qualify for that.

I don’t think we do get an extra space, I think it’s now:

Top 4 Champions League

5th Place: Europa League

Fa Cup: Europa League

League cup: European Conference*
 

If League cup  winner is already top 5, 6th spot get European Conference spot.

 

 

 

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I thought Newcastle enthusiasm looked horrendous I mean some of there players just didnt look up for it. Even some didnt look fit. It was so strange at even at 1-0 to villa after just twenty minutes it looked game over. What on earth is going on there? Bruce making comments like "we're going to do things my way" doesnt sound good. The way things look and sound present the discipline has gone and only one person can be at fault for that the manager. Cant see Bruce turning it round for the toon. They may not go to down with the gap between them bottom three being wide but it will depressing end to the season for Newcastle fans. I doubt though he'll get third season though.

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4 hours ago, Leicesterpool said:

I thought Newcastle enthusiasm looked horrendous I mean some of there players just didnt look up for it. Even some didnt look fit. It was so strange at even at 1-0 to villa after just twenty minutes it looked game over. What on earth is going on there? Bruce making comments like "we're going to do things my way" doesnt sound good. The way things look and sound present the discipline has gone and only one person can be at fault for that the manager. Cant see Bruce turning it round for the toon. They may not go to down with the gap between them bottom three being wide but it will depressing end to the season for Newcastle fans. I doubt though he'll get third season though.

I agree, I would hate players like Shelvey to play for us, he could be a really top player, but he frustrates me so much. I can’t work out if he’s lazy, loses focus, disinterested or what’s going on with him. He’s 28 now and should be in the park of his career yet he’s just not doing what I would want him to do in terms of winning a game.

Newcastle appear to have many passengers like him every week. 

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9 hours ago, AjcW said:

Wanted to wait until the end of the game to respond to this, i know it was probable tongue in cheek so not just responding to you but...

 

Rafa had a 42.5% win percentage with Newcastle. In the Premier League it was 33% but he arguably had a worse squad and wasn't allowed to spend money.

 

Bruce spent £40m this year and £70m last, now that might not be his fault, that's where the other issues at the club lie, but the fact is cash and players have been given to him, whereas Rafa always had to sell to buy.

 

Rafa 86 games in the Prem - Won 27, Drawn 21, Lost 38. Goals Scored 97, Goals Conceded 107

Bruce 57 games in the Prem - Won 16, Drawn 15, Lost 26. Goals Scored 56, Goals Conceded 90

 

They've already nearly conceded as many goals in 29 GAMES LESS! For a manager who is supposedly organised defensively. I don't see Bruce getting another 11 Premier League wins even with another 57 games! 

 

Even when it was defensive, it was defensive in the good to watch sense, because it was clearly tactical and well thought out. At the minute it's just a random 11 blokes put onto the field with a different random formation each week. There's another one for you.... 19 games played this season, 15 formation changes :jawdrop:

 

Those are the headline stats, this is the detail stuff (not just prem games)...

 

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Also Stan speaking sense, nice to see as the old boys club at United gather round Bruce...

 

 

 

I don't care whether it's Rafa or some young coach with new ideas. There's absolutely no way that man deserves to be employed when other managers get sacked for actually having ideas and sticking to them. 

There's a point in the responses to the Collymore tweet which is interesting which makes reference to someone doing research into the pundits sticking up for him that discovered they all had the same agent as Bruce.

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9 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

I don’t think we do get an extra space, I think it’s now:

Top 4 Champions League

5th Place: Europa League

Fa Cup: Europa League

League cup: European Conference*
 

If League cup  winner is already top 5, 6th spot get European Conference spot.

 

 

 

UEFA have published a ‚Äúsimple‚ÄĚ access graph so people can work out how the competition will work

 

https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0263-10c848fb43cc-49ac1262ab7c-1000/access_list_2021-22_final.pdf

 

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36 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

UEFA have published a ‚Äúsimple‚ÄĚ access graph so people can work out how the competition will work

 

https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0263-10c848fb43cc-49ac1262ab7c-1000/access_list_2021-22_final.pdf

 

Thanks, two observations if I'm reading this correctly:

 

1 - It's technically possible for a team to play in the early qualification stages of the champions league, europa league and the conference but still not qualify for the group stages of the latter.

 

2 - The most qualifiers a team from one of the big 4 leagues has to play is a solidarity play off round in the conference as opposed to the usual 3 or so qualifiers teams like Spurs and Wolves have had in the past.

 

Point 2 seem to make me think this new ststem sways heavily in the favour of the bigger leagues.

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6 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

I agree, I would hate players like Shelvey to play for us, he could be a really top player, but he frustrates me so much. I can’t work out if he’s lazy, loses focus, disinterested or what’s going on with him. He’s 28 now and should be in the park of his career yet he’s just not doing what I would want him to do in terms of winning a game.

Newcastle appear to have many passengers like him every week. 

Players like Shelvey and Carroll are the problem at the moment. Shelvey seems is allowed to do what wants, asked to do more he sulks. Just happy to collect a huge wage, while Carroll knows no other premier league club would take him on but because he knows he's a local lad a legend, he thinks he's the bees knees. Club needs a proper revamp... they talk about Eddie Howe coming but as a big club as Newcastle are... would Eddie Howe relocate that far north.. I remember at Burnley when he was there he wasn't there long and couldn't wait to return to Bournemouth. If I was Newcastle I'd look for a manager who players attacking football and gets the best out of youngsters... Thomas Frank of Brentford I think would be great fit for them.

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Ahmed Musa booked in for medical at WBA

 

*edit. Just seen this has already been mentioned in another thread 

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Doing a challenge this morning with a mate to come up with 1 famous celebrity fan for each club in the top flight... however they cannot be an ex player or connected to football in way.

 

So Far I've got

 

Arsenal- Peirs Morgan

Aston Villa- Tom Hanks

Brighton- ???

Burnley- Jordan North "Happy Place"

Chelsea- Will Ferrell

Crystal Palace- Neil Morrissey

Everton- Amanda Holden

Fulham- Hugh Grant

Leeds Utd- ???

Leicester- Sam Bailey

Liverpool- Stephen Graham

Man City- Noel Gallagher

Man Utd- Richard Wilson

Newcastle- Robson Green

Sheff Utd- Sean Bean

Southampton- ???

Tottenham- Adele

West Brom- Frank Skinner

West Ham- Ray Winstone

Wolves- ???

 

Any ideas for the missing ones.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Leicesterpool said:

Doing a challenge this morning with a mate to come up with 1 famous celebrity fan for each club in the top flight... however they cannot be an ex player or connected to football in way.

 

So Far I've got

 

Arsenal- Peirs Morgan

Aston Villa- Tom Hanks

Brighton- ???

Burnley- Jordan North "Happy Place"

Chelsea- Will Ferrell

Crystal Palace- Neil Morrissey

Everton- Amanda Holden

Fulham- Hugh Grant

Leeds Utd- ???

Leicester- Sam Bailey

Liverpool- Stephen Graham

Man City- Noel Gallagher

Man Utd- Richard Wilson

Newcastle- Robson Green

Sheff Utd- Sean Bean

Southampton- ???

Tottenham- Adele

West Brom- Frank Skinner

West Ham- Ray Winstone

Wolves- ???

 

Any ideas for the missing ones.

 

 

Brighton - Fat Boy Slim

Leeds - Russell Crowe 

Southampton - Craig David 

 

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Just now, Ross 'LCFC' Turner said:

Brighton - Fat Boy Slim

Leeds - Russell Crowe 

Southampton - Craig David 

 

Wolves - Suzi Perry 

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2 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Doing a challenge this morning with a mate to come up with 1 famous celebrity fan for each club in the top flight... however they cannot be an ex player or connected to football in way.

 

So Far I've got

 

Arsenal- Peirs Morgan

Aston Villa- Tom Hanks

Brighton- ???

Burnley- Jordan North "Happy Place"

Chelsea- Will Ferrell

Crystal Palace- Neil Morrissey

Everton- Amanda Holden

Fulham- Hugh Grant

Leeds Utd- ???

Leicester- Sam Bailey

Liverpool- Stephen Graham

Man City- Noel Gallagher

Man Utd- Richard Wilson

Newcastle- Robson Green

Sheff Utd- Sean Bean

Southampton- ???

Tottenham- Adele

West Brom- Frank Skinner

West Ham- Ray Winstone

Wolves- ???

 

Any ideas for the missing ones.

 

 

Norman Cook aka Fat Boy Slim is a Brighton fan

Think all of Led Zeppelin were Wolves fans

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Wolves - Robert Plant (honorary vice president and STH), Suzi Perry, Eric Idle, Clint Mansell, Beverly Knight, Kevin Rowland, Jamelia. 

 

Take your pick, but Robert Plant is the big one. 

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