Les-TA-Jon Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 2 minutes ago, filbertway said: From what I can gather, you are in theory attributing an equal chance of victory in our remaining 10 fixtures. If we fail to pick up the points against the weaker teams then it's not an issue as we can pick them up against better teams. The term "must win" probably annoys people who are more logical then creative, but it doesn't have a binary meaning. People use it to describe important games as it's a well known phrase and used in footballing circles. This is a must win for me as it anything else will absolutely plummet confidence and I don't think we're mentally strong enough to come back from something like that. If you're just being literal, then of course it's not mathematically done, there's still 27 more points available. That's not really making much of a point though, that's just stating a fact. The more I type, the more I think this is just another semantics thing, like when people can't agree on what "world class" or "bang average" is because they have different definitions of those words and phrases. Yes it's absolutely that. As I said in earlier comments, I reject the deterministic nature of the term and the fact that it's a reductionist way of looking at things and it leaves little room for nuance or accounting for what else could happen, in a sport that we know in its very nature is low scoring and throws up random and unexpected results all the time. I have never disputed the importance of the Sheffield game, the benefits of winning it or the costs of losing it. I just simply don't think our whole season hinges on it. It's true that we could look back to it after the fact and say 'that's where it all went wrong' but anything prior to that is simply adding narrative where it doesn't belong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Earle Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 20 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Care to elaborate? There's 30 points available We need 12-15 points to finish 4th How anyone can claim with certainty that the game vs Sheffield will determine if we finish 4th or not is beyond me I'm not going to torture myself with checking this thread after every game, but I thank you a lot for the effort and intelligence you've brought to the subject @Les-TA-Jon! My (entirely unscientifically arrived at) best guesstimate is that 70 points would secure 4th, 68/69 might. We don't disagree by much, if at all. But I'm worried that your 68 point target is getting softer by the day! Two hours ago you said 13-15 more points, and now 12-15 (yes, it would be handy if I worked out how to insert multiple quotes). 65 points getting 4th, the way our rivals are playing? That's surely very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 Just now, Les-TA-Jon said: Yes it's absolutely that. As I said in earlier comments, I reject the deterministic nature of the term and the fact that it's a reductionist way of looking at things and it leaves little room for nuance or accounting for what else could happen, in a sport that we know in its very nature is low scoring and throws up random and unexpected results all the time. I have never disputed the importance of the Sheffield game, the benefits of winning it or the costs of losing it. I just simply don't think our whole season hinges on it. It's true that we could look back to it after the fact and say 'that's where it all went wrong' but anything prior to that is simply adding narrative where it doesn't belong. For me I hate saying things in hindsight, I'd rather make my predictions and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. It feels incredibly good to correctly predict something as well (this might explain why I got addicted to gambling haha) The narrative and building stuff up is part of the enjoyment of football for me, it's what gives you that tense feeling minutes before kick off. The massive swinging of emotions during a game. The incredible highs and lows. I do see where you're coming from though mate. Like you say, we could lose to blades then win our next 5. It still won't stop me feeling sick at the full time whistle if we've lost though haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-TA-Jon Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 Just now, filbertway said: For me I hate saying things in hindsight, I'd rather make my predictions and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. It feels incredibly good to correctly predict something as well (this might explain why I got addicted to gambling haha) The narrative and building stuff up is part of the enjoyment of football for me, it's what gives you that tense feeling minutes before kick off. The massive swinging of emotions during a game. The incredible highs and lows. I do see where you're coming from though mate. Like you say, we could lose to blades then win our next 5. It still won't stop me feeling sick at the full time whistle if we've lost though haha Me too - I just try to reserve it for during a match! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-TA-Jon Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 5 minutes ago, Steve Earle said: I'm not going to torture myself with checking this thread after every game, but I thank you a lot for the effort and intelligence you've brought to the subject @Les-TA-Jon! My (entirely unscientifically arrived at) best guesstimate is that 70 points would secure 4th, 68/69 might. We don't disagree by much, if at all. But I'm worried that your 68 point target is getting softer by the day! Two hours ago you said 13-15 more points, and now 12-15 (yes, it would be handy if I worked out how to insert multiple quotes). 65 points getting 4th, the way our rivals are playing? That's surely very unlikely. Check out my thread in my signature. 68 points is the average required for 4th. From looking at all the points required by the top 10 and how many points they can afford to drop, 65-68 points seems likely 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 Who sits if Evans is healthy ? Three very good CB's !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 1 minute ago, gurru991 said: Who sits if Evans is healthy ? Three very good CB's !!! ...good question, but Fofana needs to curb his impetuous nature and that only works with Evans in attendance!!! He was going rogue in the last game and having Soyuncu with him was not the personnel required to reign him in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 (edited) On 09/03/2021 at 08:54, sacreblueits442 said: ...so sayeth.....the Messiah!!! Nb. Previously responded to...late to the party again!! Someone translate this into English please? Edit: Ah right I see, autocorrect joke. Edited 10 March 2021 by Manwell Pablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 1 hour ago, gurru991 said: Who sits if Evans is healthy ? Three very good CB's !!! Definitely not Amartey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 24 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Definitely not Amartey Are you suggesting Amartey keeps his place or is this sarcasm. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 5 minutes ago, gurru991 said: Are you suggesting Amartey keeps his place or is this sarcasm. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 7 minutes ago, gurru991 said: Are you suggesting Amartey keeps his place or is this sarcasm. ? Sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Vardy Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 I keep saying it played against Man City, Spurs and Liverpool....9 points just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 28 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said: I keep saying it played against Man City, Spurs and Liverpool....9 points just saying Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 Cags, Evans, Fofana if it’s three at the back. Cags isn’t looking too sharp this season overall but could be due to injury return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majaco Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 Don't get why Amartey is being ridiculed. He has served the team fantastically. He has done his job as a valuable squad member. If he plays on Sunday, he will, in all likelihood, give another good performance. He is our 4th choice centre back on merit. He is possibly the best 4th choice centre back in the league. Some clubs would be pleased to have him in their first eleven. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobyfox Posted 10 March 2021 Share Posted 10 March 2021 Vardy might be the son of God - but Daniel is the Lord God Amartey! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Vardy Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 8 hours ago, st albans fox said: Who? Amartey.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 21 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said: Amartey.... He came on as second half sub at Spurs? He is a good defender when we’re defending deep ...... but when we have to make the running he isn’t the best ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 Flat 442 for me.... Gags if Evans isn't fit. Kasper Castagne Fofana Evans Thomas Ricardo Tielemans Ndidi Albrighton Ihneacho Vardy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 3 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said: Flat 442 for me.... Gags if Evans isn't fit. Kasper Castagne Fofana Evans Thomas Ricardo Tielemans Ndidi Albrighton Ihneacho Vardy It would be no laughing matter....or does the prospect make you feel sick? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 Just now, HighPeakFox said: It would be no laughing matter....or does the prospect make you feel sick? I'm not even going to bother correcting that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 39 minutes ago, st albans fox said: He came on as second half sub at Spurs? He is a good defender when we’re defending deep ...... but when we have to make the running he isn’t the best ..... He's a solid 4th choice CB, we're riddled with injuries and he's contributing to the cause. Fair play to him, absolutely love thr bloke for coming back from being in the wilderness for 2 years. He knows his place in this squad and his attitude is spot on. At times like this, he's exactly the sort of character we are fortunate to have to call upon. That said, I do not enjoy seeing him at right back 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonb Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 14 hours ago, gurru991 said: Who sits if Evans is healthy ? Three very good CB's !!! for me, id start Soyuncu and Evans from the 3 we have.... most solid pairing when played together Don't get me wrong, Fofana is excellent, but I feel these two are a more steady partnership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 11 March 2021 Share Posted 11 March 2021 Soy's been on two games a week almost immediately off his injury. Wouldn't hurt to rest him when all three CBs are basically equal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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