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New Champions League format from 2024

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28 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

Whilst neanderthal hunter gatherer men in suits fight over power and money the Womens game goes from strength to strength. It'll be like that 2 Ronnies Worm that Turned series, the Women will get the stadiums within a few years and we'll be at home making cup cakes whilst the wives go to the football

That was some of the Ronnies finest work 

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3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It's tempting to say fck em, let them go and watch them fall on their faces, but without the big 6 the Premier league brand is devalued. Smaller TV and sponsorship deals. Nobody comes out of this unscathed. 

This is the sad truth of it.  Everyone saying getting rid of the risk of relegation will kill the competitive nature of sport and lose fans is wrong, American sports are the biggest business sports around and they’re a closed group with no relegation risk at all.

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3 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Where's this BS statement at 9.30/10.30 then?

 

Have the breakaway clubs seen the outcry and bottled it?

Lots of back tracking and maybe a rethink on the cards. 

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3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It's tempting to say fck em, let them go and watch them fall on their faces, but without the big 6 the Premier league brand is devalued. Smaller TV and sponsorship deals. Nobody comes out of this unscathed. 

Yes using Leicester as an example our wage structure is based on income through TV rights with the big 6 in. We would take a huge hit especially on the back of covid. 

 

As appealing as it sounds it would be a disater for the club. 

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I always try to play devils advocate but it's hard on this one. Say we qualify for the CL this season, we'll have (or would have had) extra income next season and as well as keeping our players add some quality. Why would we not stretch out and invest in 5-6 top drawer players - because we may only be in the CL for one season so that would be a gamble. Also we may go out bottom of our group, no joining Europa League, less  games and less money. So you understand the obvious attraction of guaranteed years of involvement and guaranteed number of games which in turn would enable significantly increased spending. That's what they've strived for, that guarantee but with the figures involved it seems more about shareholders pocketing the extra income rather than enabling super-squads. If it is the latter then it is much more likely these 6 clubs will go for Tielemans, Madison, Forfana and co this summer even if they have no intention of using them week in week out, so don't just imagine the league without those six, any quality player outside of them like a Rice, Grealish etc will be sought by these clubs who can more readily afford an even more bloated squad than currently. Spreading out Champions League money more broadly to allow all clubs to invest in additional quality, perhaps on short term contracts to reduce the risk of financial problems the following year seems a more logical addressing of the "Whether to invest" problem. It would make for a more competitive competition but with less talent parades like the PSV v Barcelona type games currently have. There's no merit on what's currently being suggested, just waiting for the "If they play against top quality week in week out it'll be better for the international side" comments.

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1 minute ago, Mint23 said:

This is the sad truth of it.  Everyone saying getting rid of the risk of relegation will kill the competitive nature of sport and lose fans is wrong, American sports are the biggest business sports around and they’re a closed group with no relegation risk at all.

America is a very young country. They don't really get sport like we do. What they have is show business. And I don't like it. It's all WWE. I'm not saying that people won't buy it, but if they do they are missing out on so much.

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3 minutes ago, Mint23 said:

This is the sad truth of it.  Everyone saying getting rid of the risk of relegation will kill the competitive nature of sport and lose fans is wrong, American sports are the biggest business sports around and they’re a closed group with no relegation risk at all.

Because they are in America...

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9 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It's tempting to say fck em, let them go and watch them fall on their faces, but without the big 6 the Premier league brand is devalued. Smaller TV and sponsorship deals. Nobody comes out of this unscathed. 

I’ve thought about this - we’d still have clubs capable of pulling 50 to 60 thousands each week. We’d probably get players wages reduced and the gap between the divisions would reduce. We may see clubs become more reliant on their academics. They’d be pain along the way but there would be a lot of benefits which occur. 

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6 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Where's this BS statement at 9.30/10.30 then?

 

Have the breakaway clubs seen the outcry and bottled it?

I suspect the moment the Premier and other leagues started pointing at current contract clauses the clubs / Super Leagues lawyers suggested holding fire

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One the one hand, it gives Leicester the chance of being a genuine top English club. Imagine a top flight of traditional big city English clubs such as Shef Weds, Forest and Derby without the billionaire clubs dominating.

 

One the other, it will be a real test of our owners' commitment, as TV interest in the remaining EPL in the Far East will be much reduced.

 

After a while, success would come to depend more on money through the turnstiles than TV money.

 

Would this be so bad?

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How many of these teams glory boy supporters will keep following them when they're not winning the majority of their games? Simple logic dictates that at least half these teams will have to get used to losing more often than winning.

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37 minutes ago, trabuch said:

I just stuck a quid on us for the prem title at 2000-1. It will never happen, but I missed out last time and it's only a quid.

I'm not sure a retrospective bet on that season will produce a return somehow... But by all means. Stick a quid on us to beat Wycombe too whilst you're at it.

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3 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I’ve thought about this - we’d still have clubs capable of pulling 50 to 60 thousands each week. We’d probably get players wages reduced and the gap between the divisions would reduce. We may see clubs become more reliant on their academics. They’d be pain along the way but there would be a lot of benefits which occur. 

I think it would devalue the competition so much crowds would drop.Further more,so would ticket prices.They would have to.So a knock on effect all the way down the pyramid.All this at a time when the football league has been bailed out with loans that are going to have to be paid back.It’s a potential disaster that will effect the English game far more than any other as our game has become drunk on cash.Leicester,West-Ham and Everton the most shafted of the shafted.

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