Guest StevieLynex Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 8 hours ago, tom27111 said: You must have seen some legendary teams in that time mate. Who were the best? Brazil 70 and 82 are popular choices, but you'd have seen the Flying Magyars! Anyone else you'd add to that list? Holland 1974. Maradona 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzerfox Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 20 hours ago, RumbleFox said: Think it’s cos since 1996 I don’t think they’ve got me out of my seat once. This is a big reason for me. Also, England has just lost it's identity as a whole. There so many international people living here (some legal and some illegal), that the unity has evaporated. Coupled with the fact that we have a nauseating manager, who isn't a maverick in any way, shape or form. Club over country for me, every day of the week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianormondroyd Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 11 hours ago, tom27111 said: Italia 90 was glorious. But as someone recently posted, your opinion is often swayed if you were a child. I was 10 when Italia 90 was on, but I think it was more about discovering players. You don't get that nowadays, we know every single player. Cameroon kicking the shit out of Argentina was absolutely glorious. Roger Milla dancing at the corner flag, Toto Schilachi winning the Golden Boot, Rene Higuita in goal for Colombia and that Valderrama afro! Names like Tomas Skuravy still live with me And it gave us Nessun Dorma. I was 9 at the time and this is exactly how I feel about Italia 90! Roger Milla was 38 then and he went on to play at USA 94 aswell, aged 42. Also vividly remember the opening game and Cameroon beating Argentina. My mum said she'd buy me an England shirt if England reached the semi's. Me: "Can I have a cameroon shirt?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Weller 2 Posted 13 November 2022 Author Share Posted 13 November 2022 48 minutes ago, pazzerfox said: This is a big reason for me. Also, England has just lost it's identity as a whole. There so many international people living here (some legal and some illegal), that the unity has evaporated. Coupled with the fact that we have a nauseating manager, who isn't a maverick in any way, shape or form. Club over country for me, every day of the week. Did you actually say you don’t support England because there are ‘too many international people’? Perhaps I misunderstood? I really hope so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 This thread should be evicted to General Football and Sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 15 hours ago, Izzy said: Do you mean can't stand them as human beings or as footballers? More the fact I don’t want to cheer for other teams players, just a sport thing, obviously no idea what they are like personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 Argentina 78 the first World Cup i can clearly remember, England weren’t in it. My interest has declined over the years, as a young man id never miss a game, look forward to tournaments, Italia 90 and Euro 96 being the stand outs. Now I don’t really care about England, I am looking forward to the tournament as a whole though. I just find England dull and continually disappointing, bias towards players who play for the “big 6” is frustrating and also the huge gap between players and the working man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 54 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said: Did you actually say you don’t support England because there are ‘too many international people’? Perhaps I misunderstood? I really hope so. Sadly, I don't think you misunderstood. It was pretty clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 5 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Yes but all within IMHO… After the 60# Argentina.produced not only Maradona,but greats. To be honest all teams produced individuals or 2-3 period greats. Italy,Germany. In the last 4 always shaking out top names & moments Hungary & Rumania in the qualifying stages produced some memorial performers I did believe that African nations would upset the apple cart,and have more nations competing for future W.cups. Life, poverty and corruption holding that wave back. 58;62, and 70 I can’t get away from Brazil I reckon that Brazil squad of 1970, could & would stand up against all other winners. + any Brazil vs Italy, often greatest of games. Germanys magnificent win in Brazil.. The unluckiest runners up Netherlands,god what players. The Magyars,was a tat before my time to appreciate.The films over their achievements rumbled well into the 70s. In fact BBC did a programme over them 1964 about ,then again 2010s sometime where they were considered the best international team ever. At one time I could reel their team off by art,same as the great Brazil & BVB sides.. By memory without looking up google, I can think of Puskas, Lorant, Budai,I think also a Buzanszky not sure.. Sitting with my dad in the cinema, they were often shown before major feature. That drag back by Puskas ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 There are no international teams that everyone loves or wants to see anymore, non. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 2 hours ago, pazzerfox said: Also, England has just lost it's identity as a whole. There so many international people living here (some legal and some illegal), that the unity has evaporated. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lako42 Posted 13 November 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 13 November 2022 3 hours ago, pazzerfox said: There so many international people living here (some legal and some illegal), that the unity has evaporated. One of the saddest things I've ever read on here. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koop. Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 I'll watch it but I'm certainly not fussed if we win it. I'd rather leicester were consistently successful over England, I've been invested in them since a young kid. International football is generally shite in comparison to club football on every level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 Its better this way, England and the FA are a joke but i can watch them on telly hoping they win a meaningful tournament but not feel upset when they dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lifted*fox Posted 13 November 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 13 November 2022 24 minutes ago, Lako42 said: One of the saddest things I've ever read on here. this is why I have zero interest in patriotism - overt nationalism has been used to drive this kind of nonsense in the media / papers, etc. over the last few decades, getting progressively worse in the last decade, imo. People's failure to see and understand that all the different cultures and ethnicities we have here actually make it a better country, drive diversity, increase our choice of cultures to experience; their food, faith, traditions, etc. would put money on the poster having experienced this through simple things like dining choices (unless of course ONLY eats sunday roasts, maybe?), most likely been looked after in a health situation by someone of a different nationality - hell, I'd imagine he's jumped up and down when our LCFC players of different nationalities have scored goals for us every weekend - yet we go bleating on about how having people here from different countries is somehow whittling away our once great identity - can someone please fill me in on what that identity is? is that the identity where we had soldiers of all different ethnicities fight with ours during the world wars? the identity where we're had people from different cultures live here for over a century? just don't get it. at a total loss as to why people repeat this rubbish. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 2 hours ago, Foxdiamond said: That drag back by Puskas ! I didn't know Puskas was a cross-dresser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 14 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: @Finnegan hates England So does @StanSP , cos he's Irish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 1 hour ago, fuchsntf said: I didn't know Puskas was a cross-dresser. He undressed England in 1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 I'm more of a 'don't carer' than a 'hater' . It's hard to be enthusiastic about a Southgate coached team who play not to lose as opposed to playing to win. I Love football & I Love England but I need to be entertained when I watch a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVIE B Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 Personally l love World Cups & tournament football. On a purely football basis, what’s not to like ? Yes, we all know Qatar probably shouldn’t be hosting it, but that was decided years ago. I’m no politician, just a sports fan. We have boxers that are more than willing to fight in Saudi Arabia etc. for mega bucks. l watch these fights & will watch as many games as l can from Qatar, rightly or otherwise. It’s a personal choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieTodger Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 (edited) Generally, my interest in England and international football has been waning but I love the tournaments. I was devastated when we lost to Italy and no amount of jingoism or dickhead fans could make me actively want us to lose. Despite that, I don’t watch qualifiers or friendlies anymore. I think a lot of apathy is due to Leicester being in the Premier League. England used to be an escape from the absolute shit we’d watch on a Saturday and we instead got to support the likes of Rooney, Beckham and Gerrard. It’s probably why a lot of the fans that follow England around the globe are fans of lower league clubs. Now, even though some of the players are pretty likeable guys, they’re the same ones that are your rivals on a weekend. I think now we’re a lot more encompassed by Leicester, that England naturally take a backseat. Add to that, the Leicester players that have been called up and are mistreated by Hodgson/Southgate and you’re left being frustrated by the whole set up. I love international tournaments, but even they’re being ruined by sportswashing and unnecessary expansions, so that you basically have to fill out a form to qualify for the Euros now. There’s no jeopardy in England qualifiers anymore. Edited 13 November 2022 by RonnieTodger 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worth_the_wait Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 12:39, lifted*fox said: not interested in 'patriotism', flag waving nationalism and not overly interested in international football. goes no deeper than that for me. Each to their own, I suppose. Lots of people wouldn't be interested in the scarf/flag waving tribalism of club football. I don't think you need to be overly patriotic/nationalistic to support your national team. It's just a higher level representative game, of whatever sport takes your fancy ... be it football, cricket, rugby, hockey, athletics or tiddlywinks. I'll cheer on anything associated with Leicester or England ... whether they're good, bad or indifferent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 Regular with England Home and Away. I'm not going Qatar though. Will be back for the European Championships qualifications. 🦁🦁🦁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_up_north Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 The last few times I've actually watched England, I've turned off. Dire football. I was never going to watch this world cup on principle anyway. England could be leading Argentina 4-0 in the final and I wouldn't bother, but that's not to do with England themselves. Plus, I really don't like this inbetween line Southgate is taking. Either you just shut up and play the World Cup, don't make any comments and get on with it or you do an Australia and point out the issues. It's the same with him picking Walker and Grealish but seemingly having his arm twisted to pick "bad attitude" Maddison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVIE B Posted 13 November 2022 Share Posted 13 November 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, fox_up_north said: The last few times I've actually watched England, I've turned off. Dire football. I was never going to watch this world cup on principle anyway. England could be leading Argentina 4-0 in the final and I wouldn't bother, but that's not to do with England themselves. Plus, I really don't like this inbetween line Southgate is taking. Either you just shut up and play the World Cup, don't make any comments and get on with it or you do an Australia and point out the issues. It's the same with him picking Walker and Grealish but seemingly having his arm twisted to pick "bad attitude" Maddison. The same Australia that didn't accept same sex marriage until 5 years ago ? Way after Qatar was announced. Southgate really can never win can he ? He gave a diplomatic & thoughtful interview post squad selection on Thursday. He picked Maddison & gets pelters, if he hadn't he gets similar. Managing England is a thankless task. Just my opinion. Edited 13 November 2022 by STEVIE B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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