filbertway Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 1 minute ago, Babylon said: These articles do not sound good... perhaps Ranieri can throttle someone to take the pressure off. If he could square up to Pogba and call someone a bellend in the post match press conference I think that'd certainly help!
StanSP Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 8 hours ago, Koke said: If it's a player then probably one of the bench warmers. Ulloa? Gray? Both have been unhappy with lack of playing time. Can see why they'd both do it and I know Gray can be a bit of a bell (mainly on social media) sometimes but I don't think he's this stupid. I reckon it's one of the backroom staff.
Bozman Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 It's obvious the players want him gone, or at least some do.. And sadly I think they will get there wish in the next week or so and performances will pick up and we will survive relegation. But me personally wants rid of the arseholes that have caused the problem, I think we can all have a guess who the strong characters are that would have the influence. Its nothing to do with tactics or been worked out, and teams playing deeper to counteract are style, the players are not putting in the hard yards. I hope the next manager is strong and gets rid of the trouble makers, because for me they have ruined last year, and now I'm looking at them in a different light, shame really, It's the owners i feel sorry for they will speak with Ranieri and will remove them from the club, but they have stabbed the manger in the back... Player power ffs, they ought to be ashamed of themselves, bunch of selfish overrated w---ers.
Thracian Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 9 hours ago, Max Power said: Wonder which player(s) went to the press. Schmeichel and Vardy my prime candidates. That's a serious allegation with no evidence. It could be any one of lots of people which is a sad indictment in itself.
Max Power Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 1 minute ago, Thracian said: That's a serious allegation with no evidence. It could be any one of lots of people. Yes I know thats why I said 'I wonder' and offered my own thoughts. Sorry to offend.
Cropwellfox Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Hindsight a wonderful thing, and so many places we could point at where poor decisions have been made right across the club since that wonderful time in 2016... pre season schedule, not selling Schlupp and Ulloa in the summer, how Walsh was/wasn't replaced by Macia, contracts dished out, player recruitment, focus taken away from bread and butter of league for 2 crucial months, injuries where we had so few last year, and paying so much for a striker with fitness concerns, failure to address weakness in 442 away from home, underestimating how shite Man City were and therefore covering problems for a few weeks, poor January recruitment strategy, increasingly odd selections and formations as an attempt to improve results. Any and all of these can start to fracture relationships between players and manager, manager and coaches, scouting team and manager etc. Only issue now is whether the fractures that are there are repairable with everybody involved still together or not. My guess is not as there's been very few signs of fighting back in recent weeks. If any team outside the big few does anything like us again we have written the blueprint on what not to do in the folllowing season.
Thracian Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 15 minutes ago, Babylon said: These articles do not sound good... perhaps Ranieri can throttle someone to take the pressure off. Not sure where he'd start!
gw_leics772 Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 8 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: I'm sorry, but while the extent of the revelations may be a surprise, the fact it's been happening is not. He has a history for it. Just like Ike any other Leicester fan, it's not easy to call for a man who won us the league's head but that clearly shows a clueless man. The fact its it's in the Guardian and also reported by John Percy would suggest there's quite a bit of truth in all of that. He's dug his grave like he has at other clubs. He tries to be innovative when it isn't ****ing needed!! The players should be held accountable but ranieri gets off free of charge. **** that. But, yeah let's wait and see. The press have printed it, thracian has as good as admitted it. What can he do? He made mistakes but now the players arent even trying. Which part of his tinkering do you think involved hi telling them to make no movement off the ball and just hoof it forwards? They got confused so settled on standing still and doing **** all. What came first, the chicken or the egg cos i recall that the first game of the season was ****ing turd becuase they wanted it more. We moaned early that he didnt change enough. Now too much. If the players wont try, and they've pretty much admitted it, he cannot do anything. The players are firmly to blame imo and id get rid of them before the manager, even if its just to training with the kids.
Apollo Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Anyone pick up on that Huth line in the beeb article? "you cannot say you've been brilliant when you haven't" slight dig at ranieri's post match interviews?
foxinsocks Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Just watched trail of huth on todays football focus. He was trying to sound calm and determind over his admission that we're in a relegation fight Yet his body language was suggesting fear. I believe this panic coupled with a lack of belief that their efforts can turn things round is causing the team to choke. ... their fear of mistakes means they are concentrating on every littke move and thus playing without fluidity. Interesting that amarty and ndidi dont look like this. Anyway. The way out is to go back to basics and convince them they can comptete.. play simple 442... work hard. sit back bring the oposition on and then break. .. they know how to do that. Huths demenor suggests a lack of belief in what they are doing now.
cruzFOX Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Didn't the owner recently have a meeting with Ranieri and tell him that the CL and FA cup are not important - just keep us up? Sounds like it could be a veiled ultimatum. problem is at what point would the trigger be pulled to sack him? Once we officially drop into the bottom 3 swamp possibly...... i really want to believe this is all a big bloody wind up and soon we're going to go on a mazy run of wins. We've seen a few rare instances this season that the players still have the edge if only they can be bothered to perform as a collective. kinda like them bad rocky balboa movies where he just keeps taking a beating to tire his opponent out and then unleashes on him out of no where. I know it sounds like the twighlight zone & if it is maybe just maybe the incredible could happen. After all this team has pulled off some mind boggling achievements so far. So what are the odds on lcfc to get relegated? i know I'll be putting a tener on them to prove me wrong!
ian_marshall Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 I'm certainly not for sacking Ranieri as what he achieved with this group of players was beyond my wildest dreams and I don't buy in to the suggestions that the team were so high on confidence following the great escape that the teams belief carried him through last season as I am certain that Pearson wouldn't have got anywhere near the title had he been in charge. Ranieri certainly made some astute tactical changes last season at crucial times in games that helped us convert draws to wins so he clearly knows what he is doing. Having said the above I feel that it's becoming clear that the team for whatever reasons are doing everything in their power to evoke change and clearly this isn't conducive to retaining our PL place. In my opinion it's times like these where you need a strong leadership team to take action, whether that be Top, Whelan, or Rudkin to intervene and remind the players of the expectations from higher up the hierarchy along with a frank conversation regarding their conduct. I don't think Ranieri should be sacked or even leave by mutual consent as this would indicate to the players that they hold the power. Instead in my view Ranieri needs to be taken out of the firing line and moved upstairs. I'd then bring in a no nonsense manager who has the willpower and mental strength to take control of the dressing room and instill some discipline amongst the players. That would provide a powerful reality shock to the players, knowing that they now have a manager who won't entertain such poor behaviour, whilst also having to see the man who they forced out of his job around the corridors of the stadium and training ground day in day out. Whatever happens action needs to be taken quickly. Let's hope that the board possess the right leadership to turn the situation around.
cruzFOX Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Well said ian_marshall totally agree with you. so far what we're hearing from players and the manager is that they don't know what's gone wrong exactly but they need to fix it and are trying. Well the fans just aren't buying that load of BS. Its not rocket science so either the chairman starts holding them all accountable or the fans will. By any measure what we are witnessing is a catastrophic drop in performance that is simply not acceptable especially when the whole freaking world knows what they are capable of.
CosbehFox Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Oliver Kay from the Times reporting that Ranieri got rid of the psychologist and any kind of support in that regard at the club in September
TheUltimateWinner Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Oliver Kay from the Times reporting that Ranieri got rid of the psychologist and any kind of support in that regard at the club in September If true can see that causing some unrest, Pearson emphasised the importance of that side of game when he was in charge.
Gerard Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 1 hour ago, sylofox said: So the master tactician form last season has forgot how to do it. Player lose form are not fit or lose pace with age or because hey don't care. If CR goes and these start winning they should get booed off the park. They are paid to play football for the club but mainly us fans. Not to be buddies with the manager. So if our current form is down to the players not wanting to play for CR they can feck off. Time for a few people to grow up or feck off. If the players en masse have started not tot to play for Ranieri.whose fault is that? Is it Ranieri's for not portraying leadership qualities that can inspire the players or is it 20 odd players who for no reason decided to turn on the boss? I have no idea what's gone at our club these last few months but if the players have lost faith in Ranieri it's probably because of Ranieri's actions rather than the players being dicks about it for absolutely no reason. Ranieri's decisions to steadfastly play 4-4-2 when it clearly wasn't working to a new formation every week doesn't come across as a man who has confidence in his own philosophy. Also the failure to give us other options into breaking teams down, we're basically a one trick pony with no plan B. We have maintained our low possession stats this season but we aren't effective on the break anymore, a recipe for disaster and that's Ranieri's fault.
Tuna Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3579843/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-s-players-wouldn-t-poured-champagne-Leicester-champion-Claudio-Ranieri.html This may be worth another read, considering what we seem to know now.
Koke Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 1 hour ago, StanSP said: Can see why they'd both do it and I know Gray can be a bit of a bell (mainly on social media) sometimes but I don't think he's this stupid. I reckon it's one of the backroom staff. After reading this part in the Telegraph you're probably right. Angrily confronting a member of backroom staff nose-to-nose in the dressing room after a row about football boot studs. And for those saying Ranieri is soft. This doesn't sound like a softie to me.
FrankieADZ Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 well going by the articles the last few days the dressing has about gone and sounds like a good number of the staff too,
Koke Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Just now, Tuna said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3579843/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-s-players-wouldn-t-poured-champagne-Leicester-champion-Claudio-Ranieri.html This may be worth another read, considering what we seem to know now. I still think that's a rubbish article cos I can see Chelsea players pouring champagne on Conte when they win the title. Or Klopp if Liverpool win the league.
surrifox Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 13 hours ago, weller54 said: Et tu Brute..... Blimey- julius looks just like my old physics teacher Mr Brennan
sylofox Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 4 minutes ago, Gerard said: If the players en masse have started not tot to play for Ranieri.whose fault is that? Is it Ranieri's for not portraying leadership qualities that can inspire the players or is it 20 odd players who for no reason decided to turn on the boss? I have no idea what's gone at our club these last few months but if the players have lost faith in Ranieri it's probably because of Ranieri's actions rather than the players being dicks about it for absolutely no reason. Ranieri's decisions to steadfastly play 4-4-2 when it clearly wasn't working to a new formation every week doesn't come across as a man who has confidence in his own philosophy. Also the failure to give us other options into breaking teams down, we're basically a one trick pony with no plan B. We have maintained our low possession stats this season but we aren't effective on the break anymore, a recipe for disaster and that's Ranieri's fault. Perhaps. But not his fault the players are putting in zero effort and have no pride in themselves. Not his fault these over paid spoilt brats are acting like children and not men
Gerard Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 Just now, sylofox said: Perhaps. But not his fault the players are putting in zero effort and have no pride in themselves. Not his fault these over paid spoilt brats are acting like children and not men I'm not absolving the players either for not giving 100%. I just think that in any workplace if you think your boss doesn't know what he's doing then it's perfectly natural to not try as hard. One of the traits of the very best managers like Ferguson and Clough is they had 100% belief in their philosophy in football and were quick to identify players who weren't with them 100% and then got rid of them. I personally don't think Ferguson was a tactical genus but he knew how to manage and get the best out of players. People treat you how you allow them to treat you and maybe Ranieri lacks the man management skills to get his players believing in him and his methods? O'Neill at Leicester was no tactical genius either but he got his players running through walls for him and believing in his methods.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 4 February 2017 Posted 4 February 2017 2 hours ago, Babylon said: These articles do not sound good... perhaps Ranieri can throttle someone to take the pressure off. Crikey Babs if he did that some people on here would worship him oh no wrong Pearson sorry
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